Merged: Mark Clayton Threads

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='05 October 2009 - 11:30 AM' timestamp='1254756643' post='249966']
I've got one reason to discuss things... It's a discussion board.
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How long did it take you to figure that out?

[CorvusCorax]

Are there any stats for catches made vs catches missed? I doubt it but I wanted to know if there is one.

Although I'm disappointed in Clayton missing the ball, I want to see how he recovers from this. We still have a quite a few important games to play. However, we still have yet to see DWill on the field (if at all).

Anyone know if we are saving DWill for after the bye or something? Or DWill's status?

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' date='05 October 2009 - 11:37 AM' timestamp='1254757056' post='249973']
Are there any stats for catches made vs catches missed? I doubt it but I wanted to know if there is one.

Although I'm disappointed in Clayton missing the ball, I want to see how he recovers from this. We still have a quite a few important games to play. However, we still have yet to see DWill on the field (if at all).

Anyone know if we are saving DWill for after the bye or something? Or DWill's status?
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I don't think we are saving him. He is not getting in the game because the coaches don't think he is ready to produce.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' date='05 October 2009 - 11:37 AM' timestamp='1254757056' post='249973']
Are there any stats for catches made vs catches missed? I doubt it but I wanted to know if there is one.[/quote]

Besides drops, the closest thing I could think of to what your suggestion is the amount of targets a player receives vs. the catches he makes. However, targets can be misleading because some balls are thrown in a receivers direction but really uncatchable.

[quote name='CorvusCorax' date='05 October 2009 - 11:37 AM' timestamp='1254757056' post='249973']
Anyone know if we are saving DWill for after the bye or something? Or DWill's status?
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I don't think we'll see Williams unless someone gets hurt right now or he steps up in a BIG way. Washington has solidified his spot as the slot receiver and both Mason and Clayton are on the outside.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='05 October 2009 - 11:30 AM' timestamp='1254756650' post='249967']
I remember the play you're talking about. Yes, he did misread the flight the ball but does that one play prove he can only make clutch catches if he gets 3-step seperation? I clearly remember Clayton making 3 grabs for 20 yards on the same drive yesterday where he had very little separation. I also remember Clayton making a sensational 1-handed grab with Leon Hall holding his left arm last year.

Yes, he's inconsistent but he's still the 2nd best receiver on this team so we'll just have to live with the consistency.
[/quote]

I am just venting about Clayton. Personally I feel that the bad games outweigh the good games (This is just an opinion). For every three good/decent games he has in a season, he has 13 non-existent ones.

And this is something new for me. I stood up for Clayton at the beginning of the year. But he hasn't impressed me this year. Yes he has made a lot of nice catches, but so has 70% of the other WRs in the league this year. That's what we pay them for.

[noy]

Here's an accurate description that everyone can understand.


Mark Clayton is the receiver equivalent of Kyle Boller.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='noy' date='05 October 2009 - 12:19 PM' timestamp='1254759586' post='249999']
Mark Clayton is the receiver equivalent of Kyle Boller.
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Would you have made that statement a week ago?

[cashmoney_ravenfan]

the reason why we lost the game is because of Cam Cameron and his play calling. Ray Rice carried the ball 11 times for 103 yds and Willis carried the ball 6 times for about 11 yds. Instead of throwing the ball 47 times, he should have called run plays for Ray Rice. The Pats could not stop Ray Rice. When you have a very good Qb and 3 very good Rb's, take advantage of your weapons. Running the ball keeps the defense honest. Everyone knows that running the ball sets up the pass plays. So, yeah there were bad calls, dropped balls, and turnovers, but the real goat is the OC, blame him for not wearing down the other teams defense and keeping Tom Brady off the field. THAT'S WHY WE LOST.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='cashmoney_ravenfan' date='05 October 2009 - 12:24 PM' timestamp='1254759880' post='250005']
the reason why we lost the game is because of Cam Cameron and his play calling. Ray Rice carried the ball 11 times for 103 yds and Willis carried the ball 6 times for about 11 yds. Instead of throwing the ball 47 times, he should have called run plays for Ray Rice. The Pats could not stop Ray Rice. When you have a very good Qb and 3 very good Rb's, take advantage of your weapons. Running the ball keeps the defense honest. Everyone knows that running the ball sets up the pass plays. So, yeah there were bad calls, dropped balls, and turnovers, but the real goat is the OC, blame him for not wearing down the other teams defense and keeping Tom Brady off the field. THAT'S WHY WE LOST.
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NO IT ISN'T. As effective as Rice was running the ball, the Pats couldn't stop the pass either. Look at the first and last drives. I guarantee you wouldn't be talking about Cam's play-calling had the team won. I agree the team should have run the ball more but they didn't and yet were still a few penalties and a drop away from possibly winning the game.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='flynismo' date='05 October 2009 - 08:42 AM' timestamp='1254753733' post='249925']
It's funny that when faced with reality, some people resort to this idiotic copout rather than just face the facts.

I just ignore these comments, why waste your breath?
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haha idiotic copouts like those of Harbs and Cam and OZ..... huh i wonder why Stevie B dosent just fire his staff and check this forum for all his player decisions

alot of stone casters in here like i said before we are 3-1 and clayton is just as much part of the 3 as he is the 1. Oh and also i love watchin yall throw fits over something you cant and something that wont change

why waste your breath?

[flynismo]

[quote name='baltiMORE RAVENS' date='05 October 2009 - 11:27 AM' timestamp='1254756426' post='249963']
That is hilarious! Have you ever ignored a post? You have like 3000 posts on here and most of them are arguing with people about how terrible mark clayton is. Face reality, you don't make a difference. Why constantly complain and argue and cry about Mark Clayton when there is nothing you can do about it?
[/quote]

I ignore plenty of retaded statements. I'm making an exception for yours however, since you are way off base.
I gie credit where it's due. That includes Clayton on the rare occasions he deserves it.
There's nothing I can do about it. But last time I checked, this is a discussion board. This is what you do on a discussion board. you talk about your team. Still with me? I realize that is a complicated concept for some, but guess what else? I feel ENTITLED to whine and cry that Clayton is a scrub and other management needs to cut the cord with him. I really don't care who listens, who agrees, who disagrees, who gives me +1, who gives me -1 or anything else. Like many other people, I buy tickets to multiple games every year, and I almst always bring a crowd of friends with. If I'm not at the games, I watch them on TV. I have more jerseys than care to count, and rarely even wear them other than game day. I even come on here everyday and post and interact with everyone here, hoping to bring humor or insight or just something to talk about. The point? the point is, I do more than my fair share as a fan to support my team. That's why I bother, even if in the grand scheme of things I am really just an insignificant speck.
And I love my Ravens. I consider them as "my team" just like we all do. I expect my team to not settle, because I don't settle for "good enough". If you're okay with mediocrity an complacncy, then thats your prerogative. But its not mine.
Hope that answers your question.

[BirdWatcher]

Let's not start questioning each other's level of "fandom", please. We're all Ravens fans but some of us are more intense than others in the way we show it. It's all good.

[noy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='05 October 2009 - 12:22 PM' timestamp='1254759745' post='250003']
Would you have made that statement a week ago?
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Yes. I was hinting at their skill in terms of consistency.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='noy' date='05 October 2009 - 12:49 PM' timestamp='1254761342' post='250019']
Yes. I was hinting at their skill in terms of consistency.
[/quote]

Fair enough. Clayton is inconsistent but what can do you about it? There aren't any better options available. K.Washington has been a pleasant surprise but I'm not ready to elevate him to #2 status because he's worked well out of the slot.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='rlh445' date='05 October 2009 - 02:22 AM' timestamp='1254730930' post='249788']
Really? Wow, I say. Well let me show you how much of the '3 wins' Clayton is a part of. In Week 2 (he didn't have ONE catch in Week 1) he caught one reception for 20 yards. Whoopty doo. In Week 3 he caught 3 receptions for 35 yards. So in Week 2 he caught two extra passes that amounted for only 15 extra yards then the one catch he had in Week 1. Oh, he's a monster. In week 4 he had 5 catches for 45 yards. Wow, he had quadruple the catches he did in Week 2 and yet still only had 25 extra yards then what he had in Week 2? Yea, that mob mentality is all to blame. It couldn't be Clayton's performance, could it?
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haha your so funny. you dont just catch balls to contribute to the outcome of a game.

[BloodRaven]

I love Oz I really do, but he has never drafted a good WR.

We have to pick up veterans like Mason and Washington via trade or FA.

[flynismo]

[quote name='cashmoney_ravenfan' date='05 October 2009 - 12:24 PM' timestamp='1254759880' post='250005']
the reason why we lost the game is because of Cam Cameron and his play calling. Ray Rice carried the ball 11 times for 103 yds and Willis carried the ball 6 times for about 11 yds. Instead of throwing the ball 47 times, he should have called run plays for Ray Rice. The Pats could not stop Ray Rice. When you have a very good Qb and 3 very good Rb's, take advantage of your weapons. Running the ball keeps the defense honest. Everyone knows that running the ball sets up the pass plays. So, yeah there were bad calls, dropped balls, and turnovers, but the real goat is the OC, blame him for not wearing down the other teams defense and keeping Tom Brady off the field. THAT'S WHY WE LOST.
[/quote]

did cam drop a pass in the end zone and also the likely game winner at the end?
He did his job very well. he gave us a golden opportunity to win the game. at the end, our players let us down.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' date='04 October 2009 - 02:43 PM' timestamp='1254689021' post='248755']
As long as we're nitpicking how about Joe's interception? We drive down the field and he throws an interception to the sideline? That wasn't a very good play.

Joe Flacco is now a bust.

We lost to New England IN FOXBORO, and it came down to the last drive. Get over it.
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[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='05 October 2009 - 01:15 PM' timestamp='1254762928' post='250037']
I love Oz I really do, but he has never drafted a good WR.

We have to pick up veterans like Mason and Washington via trade or FA.
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2010's draft class is so deep and talented at receiver, I'll be surprised if Ozzie doesn't hit on at least one.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' date='05 October 2009 - 12:38 PM' timestamp='1254760728' post='250011']
haha idiotic copouts like those of Harbs and Cam and OZ..... huh i wonder why Stevie B dosent just fire his staff and check this forum for all his player decisions

alot of stone casters in here like i said before we are 3-1 and clayton is just as much part of the 3 as he is the 1. Oh and also i love watchin yall throw fits over something you cant and something that wont change

why waste your breath?
[/quote]

very good....another variation of the "I can do a better job than so and so" copout. And it is a coput because I've heard nothing but excuses from Clayton supporters, and no solutions.

[RaK427]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='05 October 2009 - 10:59 AM' timestamp='1254754744' post='249940']
Wow. He has TWO drops on the season. One of them happened to seal a loss. People are overreacting to this way too much.
[/quote]

I saw at least 3 or 4 balls thrown in Clayton's direction hit the ground yesterday. While one or two a bit overthrown, where is Clayton's ability to get separation? His playmaking ability? The answer is he hasn't really shown any. He is a receiver that at best is mediocre, we just can't count on him. Make him compete on gameday with Williams, maybe that will light a fire under his ****** like Rice did for Mgahee (in the first few games at least). Finally, why not make Clayton or Williams start returning balls to carry their weight, since Carr is useless?

[Mahatma_Sloth]

here tou go corvus

Player Targt Recption %
Mason, Derrick 33 19 57%
Washington, Kelley 20 16 80%
Clayton, Mark 29 14 48%

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='05 October 2009 - 12:18 PM' timestamp='1254763122' post='250041']
2010's draft class is so deep and talented at receiver, I'll be surprised if Ozzie doesn't hit on at least one.
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Or maybe we'll draft a LB and switch him to WR? then again maybe our coaches will be happy with 3 WRs and Joey the pizza delivery guy.

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='flynismo' date='05 October 2009 - 12:38 PM' timestamp='1254760736' post='250012']
I ignore plenty of retaded statements. I'm making an exception for yours however, since you are way off base.
I gie credit where it's due. That includes Clayton on the rare occasions he deserves it.
There's nothing I can do about it. But last time I checked, this is a discussion board. This is what you do on a discussion board. you talk about your team. [b]Still with me? I realize that is a complicated concept for some,[/b] but guess what else? I feel ENTITLED to whine and cry that Clayton is a scrub and other management needs to cut the cord with him. I really don't care who listens, who agrees, who disagrees, who gives me +1, who gives me -1 or anything else. Like many other people, I buy tickets to multiple games every year, and I almst always bring a crowd of friends with. If I'm not at the games, I watch them on TV. I have more jerseys than care to count, and rarely even wear them other than game day. I even come on here everyday and post and interact with everyone here, hoping to bring humor or insight or just something to talk about. The point? the point is, I do more than my fair share as a fan to support my team. That's why I bother, even if in the grand scheme of things I am really just an insignificant speck.
And I love my Ravens. I consider them as "my team" just like we all do. I expect my team to not settle, because I don't settle for "good enough". If you're okay with mediocrity an complacncy, then thats your prerogative. But its not mine.
Hope that answers your question.
[/quote]

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I am not smart enough to understand you. Go back and take a look at all of your random outbursts and incoherent complaints before you question the intelligence of others. I have no problem with you discussing your concerns on this board, but when you start challenging my intelligence and throwing around the term "retarded", I have a problem.

[BloodRaven]

Ok guys, lets not attack each other over this. Some of us think Clayton is a bust, some of us think he isn't a bust

[Tighthead420]

All the Clayton apologists seem to forget that this is not new. Dropped balls and misread routes are common.

While I am not ready to cut the guy today, I do think we should part ways and find a receiver we can count on ALL the time. Clayton is consistently inconsistent. He can wow you one play and then bomb the next.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RaK427' date='05 October 2009 - 01:24 PM' timestamp='1254763492' post='250045']
I saw at least 3 or 4 balls thrown in Clayton's direction hit the ground yesterday. While one or two a bit overthrown, where is Clayton's ability to get separation? His playmaking ability? The answer is he hasn't really shown any. He is a receiver that at best is mediocre, we just can't count on him. Make him compete on gameday with Williams, maybe that will light a fire under his ****** like Rice did for Mgahee (in the first few games at least). Finally, why not make Clayton or Williams start returning balls to carry their weight, since Carr is useless?
[/quote]

I checked the play-by-play. Clayton was targeted 10 times yesterday and caught five passes. One incompletion was the drop, another was the pick to Bodden and there was an overthrown ball that Clayton had no chance of getting. If someone can tell me what happened on the other two targets, I would greatly appreciate it.

Clayton gained separation many times yesterday. I've said it before, on that final drive, he gained separation several times and made clutch grabs. You claim he hasn't shown any playmaking ability. I can guarantee you were celebrating Clayton's big TD against the Chiefs or his 1-handed grab against the Bengals last year. It was a bad drop but why should Williams be given a free opportunity to compete with Clayton because of one play?

[baltiMORE RAVENS]

[quote name='flynismo' date='05 October 2009 - 01:19 PM' timestamp='1254763175' post='250042']
very good....another variation of the "I can do a better job than so and so" copout. And it is a coput because I've heard nothing but excuses from Clayton supporters, and no solutions.
[/quote]

What solutions from Clayton supporters do you want? What on earth can WE do about the Clayton drop? How many of your "solutions" for the ravens worked out? I know we are fans, but I think some of us need to understand what our limitations are as fans. Calm down and think about it man.

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='baltiMORE RAVENS' date='05 October 2009 - 11:37 AM' timestamp='1254764257' post='250064']
What on earth can WE do about the Clayton drop?
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Suggest they coat his chest with super glue from here on out?

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='flynismo' date='05 October 2009 - 11:19 AM' timestamp='1254763175' post='250042']
very good....another variation of the "I can do a better job than so and so" copout. And it is a coput because I've heard nothing but excuses from Clayton supporters, and no solutions.
[/quote]
but i dont think i can do a better job than so and so. thats why i leave the evaluation and decisions to the pros. this is why i dont frequent this forum so much anymore the ppl on it get all upset and start making no sense. its life; balls will be droped, and fumbled, and intercepted, teams will march down the field and score 2 rushing TDs on us, bad calls will be made, we will not run enough to controll the clock, one day we will allow a 100 yd rusher, you will point fingers at you team, and throw players under the bus for mistakes they made. how about we wait on these premature evaluations(im speaking of this season fly). im sure we will have a clayton thread for every loss though