Merged: Mark Clayton Threads

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='RonTN226' date='04 October 2009 - 05:15 PM' timestamp='1254690950' post='248909']
Well... It was a very disappointing loss. But... We all knew it would be a battle but it just really hurts when it comes down to wire as it did. Clayton should have caught that ball at the end of the game no doubt about it. This is why I felt like we needed to pick up a solid #2 receiver because Clayton is just not as reliable as the #2 receivers in the NFL. Patriots sure did luck out with that considering our red zone scoring percentage. However, when you look back and consider the entire game, Clayton did make some big first down plays. I can't help but feel that we DID NOT run the ball no where near as much as we should have. I'm not necessarily blaming the game on the play calling but we certainly could have done better with more than 20 rush attempts all game. Even though we were playing catch up the whole game. Our defense is a totally separate issue. I think the fact that Rex Ryan is not behind our defensive play calling and observation is becoming more and more clear as the weeks go by. The Jets were able to stop the Patriots offense time and time again because their defensive play calling was aggresive and utilized their defensive players just the right way to keep constant pressure on Brady. Was plenty of bad calls but there usually is in any given game. Defense has got to step up or else I see some changes coming by next season.
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I agree that Cam should have called more running plays, and I agree with your concern about our D - they really need to step up

[cursona pirate]

people you cant blame a loss on 1 player its just that our team just didnt win! omg people!

[flynismo]

[quote name='NC Ravens Fan' date='04 October 2009 - 05:54 PM' timestamp='1254693258' post='249029']
this happens all the time so why is it so taboo to talk about clayton?
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Because love is blind when it comes to the Clayton lovers. You're not a "true fan" according to a select few tools who get their panties in a bundle when you get sick of year after year of failure from him and voice your opinion. Hence why you got two neg reps for even daring to ask such a question.
(Don't worry, I hooked you up with a +1 )

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='04 October 2009 - 05:12 PM' timestamp='1254694362' post='249079']
yes he can... he's ray lewis
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Haha, we could wish. He's an amazing defensive player and leader, but there's really only so much he can do, and so much of the field he can cover.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='flynismo' date='04 October 2009 - 05:16 PM' timestamp='1254694609' post='249091']
Because love is blind when it comes to the Clayton lovers. You're not a "true fan" according to a select few tools who get their panties in a bundle when you get sick of year after year of failure from him and voice your opinion. Hence why you got two neg reps for even daring to ask such a question.
(Don't worry, I hooked you up with a +1 )
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I wouldn't be so sure that he got negged for asking about Clayton. He could have been negged for:
"what is with this mindset? no kidding the average fan cant make the catches clayton can....so what? we arent professional athletes."

It's not always about Clayton

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='04 October 2009 - 06:17 PM' timestamp='1254694637' post='249094']
Haha, we could wish. He's an amazing defensive player and leader, but there's really only so much he can do, and so much of the field he can cover.
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thats why he has his side kick.. ed reed... together they create the gogo ravens

[flynismo]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='04 October 2009 - 06:19 PM' timestamp='1254694771' post='249102']
I wouldn't be so sure that he got negged for asking about Clayton. He could have been negged for:
"what is with this mindset? no kidding the average fan cant make the catches clayton can....so what? we arent professional athletes."

It's not always about Clayton
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True, but is that a reason to hate on the guy? He was responding in like terms to another poster...just sayin'

[Ravensfan23]

I'll ask this question, hopeing that everyone can and will be honest. Everybody is will to come here and bash Mark Clayton, so this question is posed to those same guys and girls.

Who? And please let yourself be seen. Who was saying fire Clayton, trade Clayton, Clayton is a bum, who was saying all of those things when Clayton was Flacco's top target moving down the field on that last drive.

How many people were standing up yell at their tv's when Clayton caught 3 passes on that last drive for 30 yards?

Please if you are out there stand up and own up to it.

When did Clayton become a bum, was it when he caught 3 passes for 30 yards in the final drive? Was it when he caught the go ahead TD in the KC game? Maybe it was when he had a key block that help spring Ray Rice for a 50 yard run? No I bet it was when he dropped the ball on 4th down.

I'm I happy that he dropped it? No, but I'm not gonna sit here and act like he is the sole reason we lost this game.
Because if I were gonna point a finger it could be pointed towards Flacco! For throwing a few balls that could have been picked,

I could point it to Ray Rice, who slipped on the drive before the last one, it was 3rd down and 1, with a big hole bit Rice slipped. Were are the threads saying he or Flacco sucks?

Its a long season and there will be many things that will go wrong for this team. However there will be so much more that goes right.

Every WR in the NFL has dropped that pass before. Clayton's just happened to come at a curcial time. It Happened and now its or with. It you wanna waste your time bashing him cool, but guess what? He'll line up at the #2 WR position next week and the season will go on

[neepo13]

[quote name='NC Ravens Fan' date='04 October 2009 - 06:02 PM' timestamp='1254693739' post='249047']
the difference is he is a nonfactor or has a few flashes a game at best.

if he was consistently solid like mason and dropped one here and one there people wouldnt jump on him.
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b.s. Heap has been one of the most consistant recievers in Ravens history and people ripped him a new one all last season because he wasnt living up to their expectations. You've got people here who bashed JJ mercilessly because he wasnt getting sacks, when he was actually just doing his job last season. Clayton is just one of those guys that people hate for whatever reason. They look for someone to blame for something and right now Clayton is that guy. He didnt do himself any favors by dropping that ball but still Clayton would have been on the recieving end of critism of people here, if he had the game that Mason had. Where he was good for the first drive and then basically disappeared the rest of the game.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='flynismo' date='04 October 2009 - 05:21 PM' timestamp='1254694861' post='249106']
True, but is that a reason to hate on the guy? He was responding in like terms to another poster...just sayin'
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No, no. I know exactly what you're saying, nor am I hating on him. I'm just posting objectively.

[noy]

[quote name='neepo13' date='04 October 2009 - 06:24 PM' timestamp='1254695048' post='249114']
b.s. Heap has been one of the most consistant recievers in Ravens history and people ripped him a new one all last season because he wasnt living up to their expectations. You've got people here who bashed JJ mercilessly because he wasnt getting sacks, when he was actually just doing his job last season. Clayton is just one of those guys that people hate for whatever reason. They look for someone to blame for something and right now Clayton is that guy. He didnt do himself any favors by dropping that ball but still Clayton would have been on the recieving end of critism of people here, if he had the game that Mason had. Where he was good for the first drive and then basically disappeared the rest of the game.
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Cant fault any single player for disappearing, especially when all the coordinator calls is passing plays and you're the #1 receiver on the team...

Mark Clayton doesn't disappear because he doesn't even show up.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='04 October 2009 - 06:23 PM' timestamp='1254694993' post='249108']
I'll ask this question, hopeing that everyone can and will be honest. Everybody is will to come here and bash Mark Clayton, so this question is posed to those same guys and girls.

Who? And please let yourself be seen. Who was saying fire Clayton, trade Clayton, Clayton is a bum, who was saying all of those things when Clayton was Flacco's top target moving down the field on that last drive.

How many people were standing up yell at their tv's when Clayton caught 3 passes on that last drive for 30 yards?

Please if you are out there stand up and own up to it.

When did Clayton become a bum, was it when he caught 3 passes for 30 yards in the final drive? Was it when he caught the go ahead TD in the KC game? Maybe it was when he had a key block that help spring Ray Rice for a 50 yard run? No I bet it was when he dropped the ball on 4th down.

I'm I happy that he dropped it? No, but I'm not gonna sit here and act like he is the sole reason we lost this game.
Because if I were gonna point a finger it could be pointed towards Flacco! For throwing a few balls that could have been picked,

I could point it to Ray Rice, who slipped on the drive before the last one, it was 3rd down and 1, with a big hole bit Rice slipped. Were are the threads saying he or Flacco sucks?

Its a long season and there will be many things that will go wrong for this team. However there will be so much more that goes right.

Every WR in the NFL has dropped that pass before. Clayton's just happened to come at a curcial time. It Happened and now its or with. It you wanna waste your time bashing him cool, but guess what? He'll line up at the #2 WR position next week and the season will go on
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I'm one of those people bashing Clayton.
You know what I thought to myself on the one drive? I thought, "About damn time you do something."
Does making a couple catches that he should have made anyway make up for blowing the game?


Now let me ask you something. Where was Mark last week? And the week before?

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='04 October 2009 - 06:23 PM' timestamp='1254694993' post='249108']
I'll ask this question, hopeing that everyone can and will be honest. Everybody is will to come here and bash Mark Clayton, so this question is posed to those same guys and girls.

Who? And please let yourself be seen. Who was saying fire Clayton, trade Clayton, Clayton is a bum, who was saying all of those things when Clayton was Flacco's top target moving down the field on that last drive.

How many people were standing up yell at their tv's when Clayton caught 3 passes on that last drive for 30 yards?

Please if you are out there stand up and own up to it.

When did Clayton become a bum, was it when he caught 3 passes for 30 yards in the final drive? Was it when he caught the go ahead TD in the KC game? Maybe it was when he had a key block that help spring Ray Rice for a 50 yard run? No I bet it was when he dropped the ball on 4th down.

I'm I happy that he dropped it? No, but I'm not gonna sit here and act like he is the sole reason we lost this game.
Because if I were gonna point a finger it could be pointed towards Flacco! For throwing a few balls that could have been picked,

I could point it to Ray Rice, who slipped on the drive before the last one, it was 3rd down and 1, with a big hole bit Rice slipped. Were are the threads saying he or Flacco sucks?

Its a long season and there will be many things that will go wrong for this team. However there will be so much more that goes right.

Every WR in the NFL has dropped that pass before. Clayton's just happened to come at a curcial time. It Happened and now its or with. It you wanna waste your time bashing him cool, but guess what? He'll line up at the #2 WR position next week and the season will go on
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Great post. You know what kills me about some of the fans here. Kelly Washington struggled today to, Clayton actually had a bigger positive impact on the game than he did but there are no threads calling him out for the opportunities he missed. And he's one of those guys that when he has a good game, someone always feels the need to make a thread and we end up with 10 pages singing his praises. Why does he and Mason get a free pass? Neither of them got open and they faced the same double coverage that Clayton faced on that play.

[neepo13]

[quote name='flynismo' date='04 October 2009 - 06:26 PM' timestamp='1254695215' post='249122']
I'm one of those people bashing Clayton.
You know what I thought to myself on the one drive? I thought, "About damn time you do something."
[b]Does making a couple catches that he should have made anyway make up for blowing the game? [/b]
Now let me ask you something. Where was Mark last week? And the week before?
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Clayton was calling the plays. He's the guy that turned the ball over. He was playing on defense when the Pats marched up and down the field on us. He's the guy that picked up 9 penalties. The guy that was overthrowing recievers. The guy that blew all our timeouts. Yup, all that was on Clayton.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='neepo13' date='04 October 2009 - 05:32 PM' timestamp='1254695550' post='249132']
Great post. You know what kills me about some of the fans here. Kelly Washington struggled today to, Clayton actually had a bigger positive impact on the game than he did but there are no threads calling him out for the opportunities he missed. And he's one of those guys that when he has a good game, someone always feels the need to make a thread and we end up with 10 pages singing his praises. Why does he and Mason get a free pass? Neither of them got open and they faced the same double coverage that Clayton faced on that play.
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My thoughts exactly. Some drops are inexcusable, but not all of them are not his fault. Defensive backs are there to do their job, and sometimes they do it.

[flynismo]

[quote name='flynismo' date='04 October 2009 - 06:26 PM' timestamp='1254695215' post='249122']
I'm one of those people bashing Clayton.
You know what I thought to myself on the one drive? I thought, "About damn time you do something."
Does making a couple catches that he should have made anyway make up for blowing the game?


Now let me ask you something. Where was Mark last week? And the week before?
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well, it's cute that I'd get a neg rep but not an answer to my question. Leads me to believe you have no response because you (whoever "you" is) know what I'm saying is true.

Let me rephrase, where has Mark been the past four years? I know it's probably a dumb question since I'm sure the highlight reels are filled with pure Clayton domination, but just amuse me.

[flynismo]

[quote name='neepo13' date='04 October 2009 - 06:36 PM' timestamp='1254695773' post='249139']
Clayton was calling the plays. He's the guy that turned the ball over. He was playing on defense when the Pats marched up and down the field on us. He's the guy that picked up 9 penalties. The guy that was overthrowing recievers. The guy that blew all our timeouts. Yup, all that was on Clayton.
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I never said it was all Clayton, now did I? In fact, if you read my posts in other threads, you'll see that for yourself. There were many reasons why we lost, Clayton being one of them.

But I give you an A for effort on trying to deflect the attention away from another garbage game from Mr. First Round pick.

[slayback0317]

Well I dont hate clayton and i wouldent say bust but he definitly be last on my list for a go to reciever on 4th and goal, oh well we will bounce back hopefully he wont make that kinda attemt to catch again

[NC Ravens Fan]

fly its a lost cause unfortunately
gotta remember youre trying to make sense to people who are worried about little numbers on their posts instead of making valid points

[XXXV35]

Remember in 07 when we faced the patriots, the refs blew the game for us then, well they are doing it again.

[flynismo]

[quote name='NC Ravens Fan' date='04 October 2009 - 06:49 PM' timestamp='1254696556' post='249158']
fly its a lost cause unfortunately
gotta remember youre trying to make sense to people who are worried about little numbers on their posts instead of making valid points
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I know it's a lost cause. I'm not going to try to convert anyone's opinion. But the silence speaks for itself (unless of course, everyone is too busy uploading those action packed highlight reels of Mark Clayton domination to respond).

[noy]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='04 October 2009 - 06:37 PM' timestamp='1254695832' post='249140']
My thoughts exactly. Some drops are inexcusable, but not all of them are not his fault. Defensive backs are there to do their job, and sometimes they do it.
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But...they didn't...he dropped the ball, it was all on him. Secure the ball, he's supposed to be an NFL caliber WR. This should have been his thought process:

Run passed the first down marker - make cut - catch and secure the ball - get more yards if possible - call timeout.

Instead, he thought more about the TD than the actual possession. Quite frankly, that's a rookie mistake.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='NC Ravens Fan' date='04 October 2009 - 05:49 PM' timestamp='1254696556' post='249158']
fly its a lost cause unfortunately
gotta remember youre trying to make sense to people who are worried about little numbers on their posts instead of making valid points
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Excuse me? People have made valid points on both sides of the "argument". The fact that you would say people are just making posts to get positive rep is ridiculous. There is no need to be rude about it.

[quote name='noy' date='04 October 2009 - 05:52 PM' timestamp='1254696746' post='249164']
But...they didn't...he dropped the ball, it was all on him. Secure the ball, he's supposed to be an NFL caliber WR. This should have been his thought process:

Run passed the first down marker - make cut - catch and secure the ball - get more yards if possible - call timeout.

Instead, he thought more about the TD than the actual possession. Quite frankly, that's a rookie mistake.
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I was not referring to the last pass of the Ravens final drive. I'm talking in general. I've already stated (multiple times) that THAT drop was on him.

[jkbmore]

hey guys we live and die as a team. that being said the team is made up of individuals who have spacific jobs to do. when individuals dont do their jobs the team as a hole suffers. many ravens didnt do thier jobs today, from the coaches to the players. but lets be for real when it really counted clayton didnt do his job and the team suffered. i like clayton but he should not be a go to guy in a clutch situation. we'll get em next week.

[flynismo]

[quote name='jkbmore' date='04 October 2009 - 06:58 PM' timestamp='1254697122' post='249176']
hey guys we live and die as a team. that being said the team is made up of individuals who have spacific jobs to do. when individuals dont do their jobs the team as a hole suffers. many ravens didnt do thier jobs today, from the coaches to the players. but lets be for real when it really counted clayton didnt do his job and the team suffered. i like clayton but he should not be a go to guy in a clutch situation. we'll get em next week.
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That about sums it up.

[smashmouth]

[quote name='CecilRavensFan' date='04 October 2009 - 04:38 PM' timestamp='1254688692' post='248717']
Well the Defense didn't have the best game. Its amazing it was a 6 point game that gave Clayton the Oppurtunity to drop a pass. If theres one guy that doesn't deserve blame, it's Ray Rice.

Also, that challenge on the fake field goal was probally left to stand to get back at Harbaugh. I thought the officiating was almost as bad as the 2007 fiasco
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I think youe right. This was a horrably called game, i wont blame the loss solely on it though. On the fake FG he was clearly a yard short, this would have made it a 3 point game and we could have at least took it into OT.

On another note,I think Carr set up this game for disater with the fumble. if Flacco diddnt throw the INT we could have points on the Board.
If Cam would of used McClain on the 3rd and 4th and ones we probally would have converted and maybe scored. If Clayton caught that pass we would be on here saying how well the Ravens are doing..

The team lost because of mistakes and blown chances, throw in the fact that the Refs just dont have a clue, and we get a loss. But the postive thing is is it was a 6 point game and we could have easly won it tells of how good we really are.

[Ravensfan23]

No, all the catches that Clayton made before hand doesn't make up for dropped ball. I don't think anyone is trying to justify Clayton dropping that pass. I feel that everyone including Clayton is POed at the fact that he dropped the ball.

Someone said that Clayton would be at the bottom of their list of options on 4th down. Well guess what? Right now he should be. I'm sure that he feels he has to earn the trust of Flacco to be an option on a big third down and until he makes a couple of key catches for the team, nobody should have confidence that he'll make a play.

The guy dropped a big pass, big deal get over it, its not the only time it will happen. There are 13 more weeks left in the regular season. As much as some people want it to happen, Clayton will not be cut tomorrow. There is a good chance that Flacco will throw him the ball again sometime this season.

Look I get it, there are people here that don't like Clayton. There are people here that love Clayton. There are people here that until Clayton dropped that ball today didn't care one way or the other, they just wanna see him produce. You have people here that at the first sign of something going wrong they think the sky is falling. You have people here that if we would have won that game, would have been making travel plans for Miami. But at the end of the day, it was just one moment in time, one play in a long line of other plays that cost us a chance to win a game.

It's over. It happened and It's done. If Clayton is called upon next week, he will be depended on to make a play, if he is not called upon then he'll have to earn the trust of his coaches and teammates(which I doubt he's lost). It's one play in a long season. Hell Mason dropped a pass in week 1 that lead to a blocked punt on the very next play, who bashed that guy?

I'm not one of those guys that will claim a guy is great even when he messes up. No, Clayton messed up and he should be held accountable for it, but coming out saying the guy should be fired or some of the other things that were thrown out is uncalled for imo.

It was inexcusable for Clayton to drop that ball. Do you expect more out of him? Yes, but to stone this guy for losing the game isn't right unless you can go back and look for every single play that went wrong and place the blame on the person at fault. But who's gonna do that? That's something that the coaches will do. For everyone one else its just easier to place blame on Clayton. If he's the only guy that made a mistake in this game then I'll shut up and eat crow.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Guys i was very upset when i started this thread and am still very disappointed in claytons performance. But if we look at it now, The O'Line stunk, the defense did not stop the pats at all and the receiving corps did a very poor job. It might sound weird but the only decent play was on the special teams. Now thats a shocker. We need our agressive defensive play calling back. Thats the first step, then run the ball more and Brady would not have been on the field to score. . Hey i won some tickets to this sundays game against cinci. I hope to see some of you guys there.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Clayton will be the scapegoat in the eyes of many, but it's by no means his fault. That was just a bad error, compiled by the time and situation. Many poor plays occured during the game by members of our team.

[Ed_Reed20]

Clayton's drop was inexcusable but he wasn't the reason the team lost the game. Fumbling the opening kick-off, penalties(regardless of how fickle they were) and other missed opportunities where the reason the Ravens lost the game.