Merged: Mark Clayton Threads

[FlaccoFlicker]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' date='04 October 2009 - 05:39 PM' timestamp='1254692347' post='248985']
Ok enough is enough, you wagon jumpers make me sick. You guys cry like a bunch of babies every time something doesn't go right. I have some news for you. Maybe you didn't realize it during the game, but New England is a pretty darn good football team. You haters are going to blame this game on the defense (new england scored 27 on us in 07 but nobody complained). They lost ONE game to an elite team. If you can't accept that then maybe football is the wrong sport for you. rant over.
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[macbrak]

We could have stomped the crap out of the team that showed up to play Rex "I'm a Golden God" Ryan and his Jets. We got the real deal.

[BmoreRav]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjZPvm3O-oM&feature=sub[/media]

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' date='04 October 2009 - 05:39 PM' timestamp='1254692347' post='248985']
Ok enough is enough, you wagon jumpers make me sick. You guys cry like a bunch of babies every time something doesn't go right. I have some news for you. Maybe you didn't realize it during the game, but New England is a pretty darn good football team. You haters are going to blame this game on the defense (new england scored 27 on us in 07 but nobody complained). They lost ONE game to an elite team. If you can't accept that then maybe football is the wrong sport for you. rant over.
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not a wagon jumper... just stating what I see... I don't even care about the fact that they scored... just wasn't our kind of play... it was some sloppy play... by no means am I making excuses patriots played pretty good football.... but our whole team could def use work

[raven46]

[quote name='Alexir' date='04 October 2009 - 04:32 PM' timestamp='1254691957' post='248964']
You guys sound like a bunch of ****** eagles fans. you disgust me.
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+1

[Alexir]

Every team needs to work on something and no team will go undefeated this year. Lets look at the tape (players and coaches and FANS, go back and watch the game) and see what we did wrong instead of getting on forums and PMSing because we got an L. Patriots didnt really outplay us straight up in football, they just didnt get as many penalties which really helped in the end.

[Reddawn36]

if that dropped ball can make him play beast mode the rest of the season... then I for one will be glad he dropped it

[flynismo]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='04 October 2009 - 05:38 PM' timestamp='1254692297' post='248980']
get 'em lol


the pressure was getting pretty bad... almost non existant in a quarter of that game.... and if you have that against teams like the pats.. colts.. chargers... thats like sticking your hand in fire to prove that its not hot....

I think its just due to the scheme of things.... from switching to the 4-3... I know we played in it... but yeah... I think we could def use some CB help from the draft
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The scheme is certainly part of the problem. Matty needs to make better adjustments, that is one thing that has become painfully obvious over the past month.
However, at the end of the day, each player is assigned to do something. Those guys need to do a better job of doing their job.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='04 October 2009 - 05:35 PM' timestamp='1254692122' post='248971']
what people don't understand is people have good games and they have bad games....


It was, if anything we've learned that flacco was extremely clutch... for almost that whole game we were behind... had some bogus calls... played piss poor.... and still almost won... sound like any team we know very well (hint: It's the steelers)




But let me ask you all a question, and play devil's advocate... [b]say he did get the first down... and willis mcgahee runs for the TD.... would you guys be calling him the hero... or passing the credit to mcgahee[/b]... not saying the criticizing isn't appropriate... but like someone else said.. he did convert for us alot on that last drive... and yes I agree, as a WR in the NFL he should be able to catch anything that hits him in the chest... but the game is over now, we had an overall piss poor performance, this is Football... this is a team sport... no one person is above or below anyone else.. yes we will get emotional... but if you lose the game, you lose as a team.. if you win.. you win as a team.... and if you blame the refs... you've got to gameplan for bad calls
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Clayton gets no credit regardless of what he does. He's probably the most unappreciated Raven on the field. Remember it was Clayton that scored the go ahead TD to put us ahead week 1 vs. the Chiefs. I cant recall anybody giving Clayton love for that grab, it was all about Flacco (not saying Joe didnt deserve it). Just like in the playoff game vs. Tenn, Clayton made two clutch catchs in that game both to set up scores and I cant recall him getting any credit for it. People just love to bash the guy for whatever reason.

[Alexir]

I understand where everyone is coming from on Clayton's drop. It was a horrible drop and 90% of us could have caught it. But he has also made some grabs that 0% of us can catch.

It was the reason we didnt win the game but it wasnt the reason we lost. If that make sense to anyone lol

[flynismo]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='04 October 2009 - 05:43 PM' timestamp='1254692626' post='248998']
if that dropped ball can make him play beast mode the rest of the season... then I for one will be glad he dropped it
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How many times have we said that over the last four years?
Sorry, I know you're trying to be optimistic, but there's no hope for the guy. I hate saying that, because I really do like Mark Clayton.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' date='04 October 2009 - 05:48 PM' timestamp='1254692881' post='249007']
I understand where everyone is coming from on Clayton's drop. It was a horrible drop and 90% of us could have caught it. But he has also made some grabs that 0% of us can catch.
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It was the reason we didnt win the game but it wasnt the reason we lost. If that make sense to anyone lol[/b]
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No, makes sense, well said.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='Jamal' date='04 October 2009 - 05:30 PM' timestamp='1254691801' post='248952']
Although Clayton did drop 2 straight, i was more disappointed in our defense.
Not a championship defense anymore.
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What are you talking about? The defense played ok, not #1 or #2 but they made plenty of plays. A strip for a TD and a 3 and out to give the offense one more chance to score.

[TSizzle00]

I was proud of what Flacco did today. He played good all game and almost had that 4th qtr comeback.

[NC Ravens Fan]

[quote name='Alexir' date='04 October 2009 - 05:48 PM' timestamp='1254692881' post='249007']
I understand where everyone is coming from on Clayton's drop. It was a horrible drop and 90% of us could have caught it. But he has also made some grabs that 0% of us can catch.

It was the reason we didnt win the game but it wasnt the reason we lost. If that make sense to anyone lol
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what is with this mindset? no kidding the average fan cant make the catches clayton can....so what? we arent professional athletes.
clayton is and should be expected to make easy grabs as well as an occasional spectacular grab.
theres a reason for every player being in the nfl and its because they showed something in college. clayton may have done that but it hasnt translated to the nfl.
this happens all the time so why is it so taboo to talk about clayton?

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='Alexir' date='04 October 2009 - 05:48 PM' timestamp='1254692881' post='249007']
I understand where everyone is coming from on Clayton's drop. It was a horrible drop and 90% of us could have caught it. But he has also made some grabs that 0% of us can catch.

It was the reason we didnt win the game but it wasnt the reason we lost. If that make sense to anyone lol
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[quote name='flynismo' date='04 October 2009 - 05:48 PM' timestamp='1254692896' post='249009']
How many times have we said that over the last four years?
Sorry, I know you're trying to be optimistic, but there's no hope for the guy. I hate saying that, because I really do like Mark Clayton.
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like he said.. makes perfect sense

[quote name='TSizzle00' date='04 October 2009 - 05:52 PM' timestamp='1254693174' post='249024']
What are you talking about? The defense played ok, not #1 or #2 but they made plenty of plays. A strip for a TD and a 3 and out to give the offense one more chance to score.
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people (myself included) are hating on our defense due to the fact that it isn't playing like we are used to seeing it... still good.... but not ravens-like

[FlaccoFlicker]

[quote name='Alexir' date='04 October 2009 - 05:41 PM' timestamp='1254692518' post='248996']
Every team needs to work on something and no team will go undefeated this year. Lets look at the tape (players and coaches and FANS, go back and watch the game) and see what we did wrong instead of getting on forums and PMSing because we got an L. Patriots didnt really outplay us straight up in football, they just didnt get as many penalties which really helped in the end.
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i agree we out played them stat wise but hell you get three and out then a flag is thrown and gives the pats a first down yeah it sux.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='NC Ravens Fan' date='04 October 2009 - 05:54 PM' timestamp='1254693258' post='249029']
what is with this mindset? no kidding the average fan cant make the catches clayton can....so what? we arent professional athletes.
clayton is and should be expected to make easy grabs as well as an occasional spectacular grab.
theres a reason for every player being in the nfl and its because they showed something in college. clayton may have done that but it hasnt translated to the nfl.
this happens all the time so why is it so taboo to talk about clayton?
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like some1 else said.. every player drops balls.... his was just at an inopportune time....

but honestly I don't see alot of love for the plays he did make... even if it was just on that last drive....

why are we so quick to hate on him.. but when he does good we just credit the other players?

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' date='04 October 2009 - 04:43 PM' timestamp='1254689021' post='248755']
As long as we're nitpicking how about Joe's interception? We drive down the field and he throws an interception to the sideline? That wasn't a very good play.

Joe Flacco is now a bust.

We lost to New England IN FOXBORO, and it came down to the last drive. Get over it.
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Hope your comment that Joe is a bust is an attempt at sarcasm!

[NC Ravens Fan]

the difference is he is a nonfactor or has a few flashes a game at best.

if he was consistently solid like mason and dropped one here and one there people wouldnt jump on him.

[RedFire]

if ray claims to run the defense...audible out of mattisons bad calls.
QB's do it all the time....and ain't that the MLB's job?

i wouldn't be so quick to blame mattison for a bad scheme and as i would Ray Lewis who is suppose to make calls as the MLB. Maybe Ray doesn't want to step on toes....but he needs to take over.


offensively....if derrick mason missed that end of the game catch like clayton nobody would be getting on him that bad. TERREL OWENS drops the most balls in the league but ain't nobody questioning his ability.

Clayton played a good game, but he couldn't come up with an "elite" catch when the pressure was on.




I'm dissapointed the Ravens lost because we would have had media control. When the ravens lose espn won't do a segement like they did for the redksins to figure out what's wrong with them.....we get shoved out of exsistance. Remember 07?...we had soooo many injures and any other team in our position would have the injury excuse through the media, but the media acted like our mostly 2nd string defense were the starters.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' date='04 October 2009 - 05:02 PM' timestamp='1254690145' post='248852']
All of this is right on the mark.

People are getting on Clayton over two tough catches that he couldn't bring in. Conveniently forgetting the first-down catches he made to extend the drive in the first place.

[b]1st and 10 at BLT 20 (3:32) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass short right to M.Clayton pushed ob at BLT 32 for 12 yards (J.Wilhite). [/b]
1st and 10 at BLT 32 (3:27) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass short right to D.Mason to BLT 43 for 11 yards (J.Sanders).
1st and 10 at BLT 43 (3:00) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Flacco pass incomplete short left to T.Heap [B.McGowan].
[b]2nd and 10 at BLT 43 (2:57) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass short right to M.Clayton to NE 48 for 9 yards [/b](J.Wilhite).
3rd and 1 at NE 48 (2:38) (No Huddle) J.Flacco up the middle to NE 46 for 2 yards (T.Sands, D.Burgess).
[b]1st and 10 at NE 46 (2:06) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Flacco pass short right to M.Clayton to NE 37 for 9 yards (J.Wilhite, S.Springs). [/b]
Two-Minute Warning
Timeout #2 by NE at 02:00.
2nd and 1 at NE 37 (2:00) (Shotgun) R.Rice left tackle to NE 33 for 4 yards (B.McGowan, B.Meriweather).
1st and 10 at NE 33 (1:38) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Flacco pass incomplete short left to R.Rice.
2nd and 10 at NE 33 (1:32) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass short right to R.Rice to NE 20 for 13 yards (J.Sanders, B.Meriweather).
1st and 10 at NE 20 (1:10) (No Huddle) J.Flacco pass incomplete deep right to M.Clayton.
2nd and 10 at NE 20 (1:05) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass short middle to K.Washington to NE 14 for 6 yards (B.McGowan).
3rd and 4 at NE 14 (:35) (No Huddle) J.Flacco pass incomplete short right to D.Mason.
4th and 4 at NE 14 (:32) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass incomplete short right to M.Clayton.


He made plays on that last drive. Give him a break.
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[quote name='NC Ravens Fan' date='04 October 2009 - 06:02 PM' timestamp='1254693739' post='249047']
the difference is he is a nonfactor or has a few flashes a game at best.

if he was consistently solid like mason and dropped one here and one there people wouldnt jump on him.
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he helped keep that last drive alive

[noy]

Well, here are my observations:

[u]Negatives[/u]

[list]
[*]Mark Clayton only shows up against bad defenses.
[*]Cam Cameron called the worst game to date with the Ravens today.
[*]The defensive secondary is now a confirmed average at best.
[*]We are definitely not the best team in football (never believe the hype anyway).\
[*]Defensive line cannot pass rush consistently.
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[u]Positives[/u]

[list]

[*]Ray Rice is a beast.
[*]Joe Flacco's sophomore slump is now a myth.
[*]Defensive line can still stuff the run.
[*]Kelley Washington is proving to be our best FA pickup. Birk perhaps, but he has had some unfortunate miscues with Flacco.
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Overall, I think the game came down to two people, Chris Carr and Mark Clayton. Carr needs to go, what kind of position are you putting the team in when you fumble on the first OVERALL Ravens possession? He cant even run to the 20 and Webb does it on his first try. Here's a hint Carr, if the kick goes 8 yards into the endzone, f*cking kneel (sorry, he pisses me off like no other). Clayton is self-explanatory, he hasn't shown up against anybody of note, proving he is more of a #3 receiver.

Another person who ticked me off is Frank Walker. I called him being offsides before the extra point was even ATTEMPTED. Thanks for pushing our offense further back buddy, it was really worth the risk of blocking that all important point.

[12th man]

Balance in play calling. Ravens have always been a hard hitting running team and this year is no different a better bal;ance between passing and running is what is needed. 47 throws 17 running isn't good enough balance. We nned to have balance and control the clock patriots had 10 minutes 35 minutes to 25 minutes that is tellng with balance.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' date='04 October 2009 - 05:25 PM' timestamp='1254691544' post='248934']
This was a great game for us. We learned alot about our guys on both sides of the ball. The play calling was sketchy at times. Carr fumbling on the kickoff wasn't good. Clayton dropping a tipped pass in the end zone trying to make a 1 handed grab for it, didn't turn out too well for us. We had a bad game overall. Im happy that us having a bad game against the Patriots resulted in a loss by 6 points and we almost won the freaking game for crying out loud. Our boys didn't play their best today. Oh one other bad thing, we sent an all out blitz at Brady in the red zone.

We will get it together and our secondary is showing a little more strength. I will beg for God to let Webb be our return man for the rest of this season though!
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Amen, brother. Can't understand why we gave Carr the big bucks, he has not shown anything this season

[darklight1216]

[quote name='RedFire' date='04 October 2009 - 06:03 PM' timestamp='1254693806' post='249051']
if ray claims to run the defense...audible out of mattisons bad calls.
QB's do it all the time....and ain't that the MLB's job?

[b]i wouldn't be so quick to blame mattison for a bad scheme and as i would Ray Lewis who is suppose to make calls as the MLB.[/b] Maybe Ray doesn't want to step on toes....but he needs to take over.
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Ray Lewis shouldn't have to ignore his coordinator and make the "right" calls, it's [i]Mattinson's[/i] job to get it right.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='12th man' date='04 October 2009 - 06:07 PM' timestamp='1254694055' post='249063']
Balance in play calling. Ravens have always been a hard hitting running team and this year is no different a better bal;ance between passing and running is what is needed. 47 throws 17 running isn't good enough balance. We nned to have balance and control the clock patriots had 10 minutes 35 minutes to 25 minutes that is tellng with balance.
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i'll agree, we need to use one to set up the other.. and vice versa... we need to use the run to set up the pass and the pass to set up the run.... need to make them regret trying to stop one.... and then make them regret it later for trying to fix it

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='RedFire' date='04 October 2009 - 05:03 PM' timestamp='1254693806' post='249051']
if ray claims to run the defense...audible out of mattisons bad calls.
QB's do it all the time....and ain't that the MLB's job?

i wouldn't be so quick to blame mattison for a bad scheme and as i would Ray Lewis who is suppose to make calls as the MLB. Maybe Ray doesn't want to step on toes....but he needs to take over.
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I would not say they were bad calls, so much as lackluster execution. Ray can't change that the corners get confused over who's where or covering who. Ray can't make Landry connect on a tackle. Ray cannot be everywhere at once.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='04 October 2009 - 06:10 PM' timestamp='1254694248' post='249075']
I would not say they were bad calls, so much as lackluster execution. Ray can't change that the corners get confused over who's where or covering who. Ray can't make Landry connect on a tackle. Ray cannot be everywhere at once.
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yes he can... he's ray lewis

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='tweety' date='04 October 2009 - 04:51 PM' timestamp='1254689499' post='248799']
Ravens 3-1
Bengals 3-1
Steelers 1-3
Browns 0-4
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I blame Cam, Period!