Merged: Mark Clayton Threads

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='06 October 2009 - 03:03 PM' timestamp='1254855815' post='250712']
There's no need to "attack" other Raven fans because their opinions differ from your's. Granted, I think Clayton Haters overlook all the good things he has done, and latches onto one drop. When that drop is forgotten, they'll latch onto another mistake. But they're entitled to their opinions just as much as those who support and want to keep Clayton on the team. And that does not make them any worse fans.

Let's face it, we'll all Ravens fans, why should we be slinging mud over one player?
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Maybe I was too harsh but what type fan are you if you constantly overlook the positive things a player does and harp on the negative? And what type of fan are you if you want to bench or completely get rid of a receiver because of ONE drop?

[BaltimoreRavens4life]

Would you cut him? Or just let him learn from his mistake? (I ment to make this thread yesterday ) Myself , I am still kinda depressed about the fact that he droped the ball. But cant focus on the past , Only on the future. I would of let him play out this season and let him go to another team afterwards. I know he made a good one handed catch last year against the bengals. But we need to start drafting some new WR's. It looks like keyshawn Johnson proved his point about our WR's. especially about M. Clayton. This is how I feel right now then again. Im most sure ill be feeling better by the Bengals game. lol 31-10 Ravens!

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='06 October 2009 - 03:13 PM' timestamp='1254856427' post='250722']
Maybe I was too harsh but what type fan are you if you constantly overlook the positive things a player does and harp on the negative? And what type of fan are you if you want to bench or completely get rid of a receiver because of ONE drop?
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for the hundredth time, it's not about ONE drop. It's about 4 and a quarter years of failure.
this was just the last straw.

[robbcs3]

Clayton is a good player, he will learn and be fine. Unless we find ourself in a position with so much WR talent, I think replacing Mason when he actually retires will be the first priority. Clayton should keep getting better.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='BaltimoreRavens4life' date='06 October 2009 - 07:43 PM' timestamp='1254872625' post='250903']
[b]Would you cut him?[/b] Or just let him learn from his mistake? (I ment to make this thread yesterday [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif[/img]) Myself , I am still kinda depressed about the fact that he droped the ball. But cant focus on the past , Only on the future. I would of let him play out this season and let him go to another team afterwards. I know he made a good one handed catch last year against the bengals. But we need to start drafting some new WR's. It looks like keyshawn Johnson proved his point about our WR's. especially about M. Clayton. This is how I feel right now then again. Im most sure ill be feeling better by the Bengals game. lol 31-10 Ravens!
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Dude. C'mon man. You don't cut a player for that. He's an investment for your team and he hasn't shown that he's a bust from where I sit. If you want to let him know about it then you make him go back to the basics (Football, meet hands).

[theFRANCHISE]

Mark Clayton may be a bust because of his first-round designation, but he's been an adequate player and shouldn't be cut just because of the emotions of one game. Sure, he's been inconsistent, but many people forget that, because Derrick Mason was taken out of the equation by the Patriots, the Ravens wouldn't have been in position for that dropped pass had Clayton not made drive-extending catches on that same possession.

The thing is, you cut Clayton, that leaves you with Mason, Kelley Washington, Demetrius Williams, and who else? You could promote someone from the practice squad, but what happens if Mason and/or Washington gets hurt? Then you're stuck with Williams and a practice squad player as the starters. Better to have as many healthy guys who know the playbook on your team at this juncture, than bringing in an untested player or a guy off the street who's unfamiliar with the plays, and making him a liability if he's forced to start due to injury.

[mhead66]

Even the best players have off-days. Clayton has obvious talent, he just had a bad game.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='BaltimoreRavens4life' date='06 October 2009 - 07:43 PM' timestamp='1254872625' post='250903']
Would you cut him? Or just let him learn from his mistake? (I ment to make this thread yesterday ) Myself , I am still kinda depressed about the fact that he droped the ball. But cant focus on the past , Only on the future. I would of let him play out this season and let him go to another team afterwards. I know he made a good one handed catch last year against the bengals. But we need to start drafting some new WR's. It looks like keyshawn Johnson proved his point about our WR's. especially about M. Clayton. This is how I feel right now then again. Im most sure ill be feeling better by the Bengals game. lol 31-10 Ravens!
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Dude dropped a pass. No HC or GM would do/think half of what you're talking about.

[RedFire]

nope...he still drops less balls than T.O.

[PuRock]

Even though I believe he's a bust,and he made a mistake last game, and he's inconsistent. Doesn't mean we should cut him. Like Franchise stated he's a bust because he's a first rounder. But he does plenty to contribute as a #2 or #3. Depends on if its his good game or bad game.

As for the offseason. A lot of questions regarding our WR core. As much as I would love to go another direction without Clayton. He might be the only guy left. It will be interesting to see how our WR situation plays out this offseason.

[FlaccoFlicker]

wow how the tides have calmed down...but yes let him learn from it.he may be a go o guy that we need down the line.2 big games coming up before the bye.Keep clayton,cut Carr

[CorvusCorax]

As it sits right now, we are still short on WRs. Let's develop these guys and let the practice squad develop, then go from there. Even the greatest of WRs miss catches.

It sucks that it was our last play of the game, therefore making it the most memorable. However, we need to shoulder up and move on. We have Cincinnati up next. Let's move on and concentrate on that game.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='06 October 2009 - 08:54 PM' timestamp='1254876843' post='250944']
Dude. C'mon man. You don't cut a player for that. He's an investment for your team and he hasn't shown that he's a bust from where I sit. If you want to let him know about it then you make him go back to the basics (Football, meet hands).
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Hes a bust from being a 1st round pick. He plays like he should have been drafted in the 4-5 round.

[Alexir]

We cut people for one mistake? Well shoot. Foxworth better get cut for applying no pressure to Moss on his TD. Rice should get cut for fallin on his face twice behind the line of scrimmage. Put in Troy Smith cuz Flacco threw an int. Harbaugh should resign as well costing us the 15 yard penalty....


GIVE ME A BREAK!

We will bounce back and Clayton will bounce back. Go cheer on the 4-0 Broncos if you love Brandon Marshall so much...

[PuRock]

[quote name='Alexir' date='06 October 2009 - 09:55 PM' timestamp='1254880508' post='250991']
We cut people for one mistake? Well shoot. .
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Well we didn't resign Stone after that special teams mistake against the Steelers last year. And he was one of our best special teamers.

Kinda miss him now.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='TSizzle00' date='06 October 2009 - 09:52 PM' timestamp='1254880364' post='250987']
Hes a bust from being a 1st round pick. He plays like he should have been drafted in the 4-5 round.
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4th-5th rounders don't start unless they're a gem. If Harbaugh thought he couldn't get the job done, the position would have been addressed.

[PuRock]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='06 October 2009 - 10:13 PM' timestamp='1254881606' post='251005']
4th-5th rounders don't start unless they're a gem. If Harbaugh thought he couldn't get the job done, the position would have been addressed.
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Well if that was the case. Then Clayton would be a nice surprise out of the 5 round.

[flynismo]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='06 October 2009 - 10:13 PM' timestamp='1254881606' post='251005']
4th-5th rounders don't start unless they're a gem. If Harbaugh thought he couldn't get the job done, the position would have been addressed.
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Harbs thought wrong then. Maybe he's just warming the seat for my boy Kelley Washington.

I think we should let every single one of these guys walk after the season (other than Washington) and start over. There's a lot of good wr's who are potential FA, so we could pickup a couple guys on the FA market, and then draft a WR or two.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='BaltimoreRavens4life' date='06 October 2009 - 07:43 PM' timestamp='1254872625' post='250903']
Would you cut him? Or just let him learn from his mistake? (I ment to make this thread yesterday ) Myself , I am still kinda depressed about the fact that he droped the ball. But cant focus on the past , Only on the future. I would of let him play out this season and let him go to another team afterwards. I know he made a good one handed catch last year against the bengals. But we need to start drafting some new WR's. It looks like keyshawn Johnson proved his point about our WR's. especially about M. Clayton. This is how I feel right now then again. Im most sure ill be feeling better by the Bengals game. lol 31-10 Ravens!
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Do we even have to entertain this conversation. Drops happen cut him for it, cm on be realistic. We wont even consider it. Mark is a great talent to drop him for a drop that's over the top. Give Kelley Washington a little more playing time though and i would agree with that.

[Bltravens]

What should happen is Cam should go straight to Clayton next game on the first pass play. If you want to find out what kind of player and person Clayton is, go right back at him and see if he makes some plays against the Bengals. You dont cut him, suspend him, fine him, move him down the depth chart or anything. You come right back at him and say look, your a FA at the end of the season, we're gonna give you the chance to start producing either you do so or your gonna be the FA WR on the market let go by a team who needs WR help, what does that say about you as a player? Actually for the record, let me go down as saying Clayton should really be the slot receiver thats really what hes suited for in an NFL offense.

[hammer]

Glad to see everyone with cooler heads. Obviously K. Washington has outplayed Clayton and deserves to be starting, but I really expect Clayton to come back strong....just to make me look like a fool (it seems to happen whenever prople get thrown under the bus).

As for the other receivers, maybe it is just me, but it appears that Mason is playing better this year than he ever has. Is he getting BETTER with age?

And I would also like to see some more of D. Williams. I don't know how he got in the doghouse.

[ZIBBY28]

cutting a starter at a thin position on your team mid-season is completely ridiculous.

[Fred Sanford]

Let Clayton's handling of this decide it. He'll either come back better, trying to show everyone he's better than that, or he'll let it bother him and affect his confidence. Let's hope for the former.

[ROCNRAVEN]

What would I do with Clayton? "NOTHING" but get him ready for the Bungles game..... Period. Com'on ppl. its over, letz unite and get pumped up for Sunday at 1pm.......

[wayne]

Yea, yall are going overboard with this. Sure, I hated Clayton dropping that pass also but it happens to the best of them!Like someone said earlier, you really see what he is made of next game as you go at him often ad early to see how he will bounce back from that terrible drop against the Pats.

[rlh445]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' date='06 October 2009 - 11:17 AM' timestamp='1254842220' post='250611']
well thats why your a fanboy on a board and not playin ball. your selfish. im sure Clayton and his O teammates didnt get to their mansions(dosnt flacco live in a townhome with his bro, who on the O has a mansion anyway? maybe heap and mason but their family guys. when you said mansion did you mean strip club?) before going over the game a couple times talking(not accusing). i think you missed my point about the whole lockerroom thing but thats okay its not for everybody. many ppl out there would point fingers at a teammate friends or family instead of helping overcome a shortcoming.
how could you predetermin this nostradomos? tell me judging from your calculations what is he gonna do aginst the bengals. no catches like in week 1 right? I am down to admit im wrong about clayton but im gonna wait till the end of the year when all the numbers are in.
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Your strategy of using a strawman needs some work. Since when did this conversation become about me going to the strip club or being a teammate of Clayton's? I'M NOT. A. PLAYER. ON. THE. RAVENS. Which means I don't have to be all touchy feely about his ending performance in the game. Which is what I have already addressed. Also, I believe Clayton will do GREAT against the Bengals, because their secondary is well below average and as has been stated, he is at his best when facing subpar opponents..which is his problem. Wrong much?

[rlh445]

[quote name='neepo13' date='06 October 2009 - 11:37 AM' timestamp='1254843450' post='250621']
[b]Go ahead and try to run Clayton out of town because of one dropped pass.[/b] Appaerently, you guys dont remember our spectacular trio of Randy Hymes, Clarence Moore, and Kevin Johnson the year before Clayton and Mason came to town. You cant bank on a rookie to step in and play well right away. The team isnt going to trade for some big name wideout because of the price. And because of the rules under the uncapped year, no young stud wideouts will be FA in the offseason. Boy, I cant wait to witness all the crying you crybabies do when Clayton and Dwill are still on this team next year.
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Posted by me [quote name='rlh445' date='06 October 2009 2:34 AM'][b]For me, this isn't about his drop in the Pats game, but the fact that this drop could have almost been predetermined because of his past 4 years of the same kind of thing. Shine when we're facing a lesser team, lackluster when we really need him to make that catch.[/b][/quote]

....and? The best you could come up with is something about Randy Hymes and company? Lol, I give up. For people to say that we shouldn't run Clayton out of town for dropping a catch, fine. For people to say he wasn't the one that lost it for us (depsite Mark himself saying that he did) fine. For anyone to say that people are/were mad at Clayton shouldn't have been and to just lackadaisically throw aside his obvious inconsistency for the past 4 (going on five) years, B.S. Period.

[Rinbee]

Maybe that kind of mistake will be a wakeup call and Clayton will start to really focus and kick it up a notch or two. Meanwhile, move him down the depth chart a bit so he knows he is on notice and has to earn his spot. I'm a little concerned that Harbs seems to committed to people he made starters regardless of performance. (Remember Billick and Boller?) Clayton and Carr need to know their roster spots are not guaranteed.

[bce086]

[quote name='hammer' date='07 October 2009 - 12:24 AM' timestamp='1254889483' post='251053']
Glad to see everyone with cooler heads. Obviously K. Washington has outplayed Clayton and deserves to be starting, but I really expect Clayton to come back strong....just to make me look like a fool (it seems to happen whenever prople get thrown under the bus).
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Yea obviously K Wash has outperformed Clayton. Lets take a look.

Clayton - 14 rec for 177 yds - avg 12.6 - 1 TD
Washington - 16 rec for 198 - avg 12.4 - 1 TD

Now lets take into account that K Wash is lining up in the slot majority of the time and is being matched up more than often against a LB, or 3rd nickel back....

MAN KELLEY IS KILLING IT! Lets cut Clayton...



And there rests my attempt at sarcasm...

[BloodRaven]

While he hasnt lived up to his potential...

Hes only earning $600,000 against the cap. Keep him.