Merged Criticism Of Our Defense Threads

[Alexir]

I think people forget we lost our Left Tackle and our Defensive player of the week in that game. I mean seriously, get over it we are 3-1. Harbaugh needs to worry about the teams overall discipline and execution. Penalties on both sides of the ball.

Also, way to cause your team 15 yards by cussing out an official. He is going to get hit by a lot of fines this week from the FCC and NFL.

[raven46]

[quote name='neepo13' date='04 October 2009 - 04:38 PM' timestamp='1254692288' post='248978']
Saying we played an elite team is nothing but an excuse and excuses dont win games.

You want to be the best you have to beat the best. Clearly its hard to do that when our defense plays like they did today.
[/quote]
your right but what i am trying to get across is some people on here get so down after a loss and so high after a win. w/e

[neepo13]

[quote name='raven46' date='04 October 2009 - 05:39 PM' timestamp='1254692393' post='248987']
your right but what i am trying to get across is some people on here get so down after a loss and so high after a win. w/e
[/quote]

I understand but that doesnt mean we should act like a problem doesnt exist.

[Bltravens]

Fellas, you guys are acting like our defense last year was the second coming of the 00 or 06 defense. 08 defense gave up 27 to cleveland, 24 for dallas, 30 to NYG, 23 to Pitt and 31 to Indy. Its not like our D last year was the be all end all of defenses. They gave up points too and we had a smarter secondary last year (lets be honest Samari is better than Fox and Leonhard is alot smarter than Landry, doesnt have his physical tools but Leonhard never blew his assignment or missed as many tackles). The secondary we have this year is SERIOUSLY green. Foxworth doesnt have a a full year of starting under his belt yet, Washington has 2 years as a full time starter and so does Landry. Mattison cant blitz, I REPEAT HE CANNOT BLITZ LIKE REX, cuz we dont have the minds or the talent in the secondary to be left alone on an island even for a couple plays. We left Fox alone once and Moss scored a TD, you think a guy like Springs, or any experienced corner wouldnt have taken the inside away knowing it was an all out blitz, or even looked in at the ball knowing it would have to be released in 3 seconds or it was a sack? This isnt Mattison's bad at all, its the personnel how can you blitz when you need to give help to your corners constantly, as well as taking away check downs?

[Jamal]

Our secondary needs time to develop.

[flynismo]

[quote name='raven46' date='04 October 2009 - 05:38 PM' timestamp='1254692314' post='248981']
By "barely" i mean they needed a lot of help from us to get those 27 points.
[/quote]

Ok, understood. I kinda sorta agree with you, but playing disciplined defense is a huge part of being a good defense.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Jamal' date='04 October 2009 - 05:52 PM' timestamp='1254693169' post='249023']
Our secondary needs time to develop.
[/quote]
They don't really have time to develop. They got to pull their hands out of their pants and play some football. We are relying too much on our safeties to cover up for the weaknesses at cb.

[flynismo]

[quote name='raven46' date='04 October 2009 - 05:39 PM' timestamp='1254692393' post='248987']
your right but what i am trying to get across is some people on here get so down after a loss and so high after a win. w/e
[/quote]

It's the WAY we lost that ticks a lot of us off.
And also that this was a huge game for us. Not just because it was against a great team, but because this game might very well have decided where the AFCCG is played. Perhaps that's getting a bit ahead of ourselves, but when expectations are so high, it's something to consider.

[ravensaddict52]

mattison was fine today on play calling, only issue was the refs handing 3rd downs to the patriots and the fact due to these 3rd down conversions the defense was on the field for 35 minutes, the ravens rarely lose the Time of Possession statistic, and lack of a running offense killed our defense. GO BACK TO PLAYING LIKE A RAVEN, offense starts with the run, defense controls the other team, big play passing with flacco is the key to the Super Bowl

[raven46]

[quote name='flynismo' date='04 October 2009 - 04:54 PM' timestamp='1254693240' post='249026']
Ok, understood. I kinda sorta agree with you, but playing disciplined defense is a huge part of being a good defense.
[/quote]
They were pretty disciplined. Sorry if Ngatas pinky finger touched Tom Brady's god-like helmet. Sorry if Suggs accidental fell near Tom's precious legs(I'm not disagreeing with this specific call but if that was Joe would we get a flag?). Too bad they don't care about enough when he gets pushed back and injures one of our O-line.

[flynismo]

[quote name='raven46' date='04 October 2009 - 06:18 PM' timestamp='1254694706' post='249100']
They were pretty disciplined. Sorry if Ngatas pinky finger touched Tom Brady's god-like helmet. Sorry if Suggs accidental fell near Tom's precious legs(I'm not disagreeing with this specific call but if that was Joe would we get a flag?). Too bad they don't care about enough when he gets pushed back and injures one of our O-line.
[/quote]

Yeah, they were overall pretty decent today. I'm not a fan of some of the calls, and non-calls, but what can you do?

[FrankDaTank]

Mattison needs to go back to the drawing board or something because we are allowing way to many points....

[hammer]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='04 October 2009 - 03:57 PM' timestamp='1254686228' post='248320']
Nothing - KC's offense only really scored 10 on us, San Diego has a good offense, Cleveland scored 3 and NE is a good offense.

We can't expect to hold every team to 3 points.
[/quote]
I totally agree. The defense had three sacks, a forced fumble and they scored a TD. And this was against an experienced and disciplined team who arely makes mistakes. Ravens D did an excellent job under the circumstances. I liked what I saw as they did not give an inch without a fight. They lost some battles, but they won most.

[biggkatt01]

Ok lets get to the root of the problem here, if you watched all four games and you know anything about football or defense you will know where the problem lies it's with the defensive coordinator.

Mattison knows nothing about defense and like I said if you know anything about defense you will be able to follow my logic, Mattison doesn't know when to call a blitz or even how to call a blitz, he has called blitzes at the wrong times and not at the right times. He has not called a good defensive game yet this year.

Think back to all our past coordinators they all knew how to call defensive games Rex Ryan proved this year how to beat Tom Brady and the Patriots you have to call the blitz at the right time, Tom Brady had tones of time today to throw the ball way to much time.

If anyone watched the Cowboys Broncos game Mike Nolan ( 1 of our former defensive coordinators ) called a great defensive game today the defense won that game. last year the Broncos defense was horrible they hired Mike and now good defense.

So for those of you out there who believes that Mattison and his defensive play calling isn't our teams problem than you are going to have a long season, while I was watching the pre season I said to myself I am worried about the defense, when they named him as the replacement for Rex I checked up on him and I knew this year would be a horrid year for our defense he has to go period. he's not the man to run our defense.

[hammer]

[quote name='biggkatt01' date='04 October 2009 - 07:42 PM' timestamp='1254699751' post='249235']
Ok lets get to the root of the problem here, if you watched all four games and you know anything about football or defense you will know where the problem lies it's with the defensive coordinator.

Mattison knows nothing about defense and like I said if you know anything about defense you will be able to follow my logic, Mattison doesn't know when to call a blitz or even how to call a blitz, he has called blitzes at the wrong times and not at the right times. He has not called a good defensive game yet this year.

Think back to all our past coordinators they all knew how to call defensive games Rex Ryan proved this year how to beat Tom Brady and the Patriots you have to call the blitz at the right time, Tom Brady had tones of time today to throw the ball way to much time.

If anyone watched the Cowboys Broncos game Mike Nolan ( 1 of our former defensive coordinators ) called a great defensive game today the defense won that game. last year the Broncos defense was horrible they hired Mike and now good defense.

So for those of you out there who believes that Mattison and his defensive play calling isn't our teams problem than you are going to have a long season, while I was watching the pre season I said to myself I am worried about the defense, when they named him as the replacement for Rex I checked up on him and I knew this year would be a horrid year for our defense he has to go period. he's not the man to run our defense.
[/quote]

I understand your logic. I thought the Ravens should have brought Mike Nolan back too. However, the Ravens played a very, very strong offense today and the defense was at least in the game. That's what I call progress. We'll see.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='hammer' date='04 October 2009 - 07:57 PM' timestamp='1254700644' post='249257']
I understand your logic. I thought the Ravens should have brought Mike Nolan back too. However, the Ravens played a very, very strong offense today and the defense was at least in the game. That's what I call progress. We'll see.
[/quote]

Defense put 7 on the board and forced a 3 and out to give the Ravens a shot to win the game. They played fine.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

Sounds to me that we have plenty of people on this forum who think
they could do a better job at defensive cord., or at least play
calling. Get an application and solve our problems. In reality
the defense played a pretty respectable game minus a few miscues.
As well our offense played pretty good. Yeah Clayton missed a pass
at the most crucial point of the game. Yeah the refs appeared to make
more calls go the way of the Pats. Bottom line is it is only week 4
and we are 3 and 1. There is way to much football left to be played
this year to start pointing fingers and throwing in the towel. I for
one am looking foward to (1) tonights game, Steelers vs. Chargers,
(2) the opportunity that next week presents to us to once again take
sole possesion of first place in our division. My prayers go out to
our fallen soldiers,and my thanks to those who bled today in Foxborough!

[biggkatt01]

The defense did not play fine they played subpar, they din't play the kind of defense that this city plays. there is a reason the Ravens play the type of defense they do because of this city, from the old Baltimore Colts to the present ravens we have been known for our defense.

Everybody here seems to be getting excited over a 3 and 0 start over 2 bum teams and 1 ok team when it came time to step up against a good team the defense once again this year played completely horrible, and it's not the players fault it has been he defensive play calling and for those of you who think I am wrong mark my words this trend will continue until he owner goes to Harbaugh and tells him your defensive coordinator needs to either go or call Baltimore defense.

You can say all you want about they did ok we are not in the NFC this is the AFC and the tough AFC central they play tough defense in this division not ok so if you think we will beet Pittsburgh playing ths type of defensive calling you are sadly mistaken defense has been what we are and now Mattison is trying to change who we are, it needs to change real quick.

[Bltravens]

Ya Mike Nolan is a very good DC, and what more is he's versatile, he knows how to run both a 4-3 and a 3-4 defense. That would have been very interesting if Nolan had been brought back. Certainly wouldnt have been any "feel out" period to the defense for Ray and Ed.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='biggkatt01' date='04 October 2009 - 06:21 PM' timestamp='1254702069' post='249293']
The defense did not play fine they played subpar, they din't play the kind of defense that this city plays. there is a reason the Ravens play the type of defense they do because of this city, from the old Baltimore Colts to the present ravens we have been known for our defense.

Everybody here seems to be getting excited over a 3 and 0 start over 2 bum teams and 1 ok team when it came time to step up against a good team the defense once again this year played completely horrible, and it's not the players fault it has been he defensive play calling and for those of you who think I am wrong mark my words this trend will continue until he owner goes to Harbaugh and tells him your defensive coordinator needs to either go or call Baltimore defense.

You can say all you want about they did ok we are not in the NFC this is the AFC and the tough AFC central they play tough defense in this division not ok so if you think we will beet Pittsburgh playing ths type of defensive calling you are sadly mistaken defense has been what we are and now Mattison is trying to change who we are, it needs to change real quick.
[/quote]

Have you ever even watched the Ravens against a spread offense? The strength of the Ravens D has ALWAYS been the front 7, NEVER has it been the secondary. Against spread offenses, our defense is not as explosive because we have to take off linebackers to sub with corners to cover the receivers. Hence when we play Indy, NE, NO, and even SD to an extent we struggle. Why do you think we lose to teams at the end of the game so frequently? Because our front 7 gets subbed out for our mediocre at best 3,4,and 5 corner. If our D doesnt get a pass rush our secondary can get picked apart, Reed can only do so much man.

[K-Dog]

***Edit***
Merged threds make this post sound really silly :

[Steelerkillers]

This loss hurts. It's the same results everytime, A Big Fat (L). What, are they on a 5 game winning streak against us? The positive thing is-our D still stopped them from rushin for 100yrs.

[flynismo]

[quote name='biggkatt01' date='04 October 2009 - 07:42 PM' timestamp='1254699751' post='249235']
Ok lets get to the root of the problem here, if you watched all four games and you know anything about football or defense you will know where the problem lies it's with the defensive coordinator.

Mattison knows nothing about defense and like I said if you know anything about defense you will be able to follow my logic, Mattison doesn't know when to call a blitz or even how to call a blitz, he has called blitzes at the wrong times and not at the right times. He has not called a good defensive game yet this year.

Think back to all our past coordinators they all knew how to call defensive games Rex Ryan proved this year how to beat Tom Brady and the Patriots you have to call the blitz at the right time, Tom Brady had tones of time today to throw the ball way to much time.

If anyone watched the Cowboys Broncos game Mike Nolan ( 1 of our former defensive coordinators ) called a great defensive game today the defense won that game. last year the Broncos defense was horrible they hired Mike and now good defense.

So for those of you out there who believes that Mattison and his defensive play calling isn't our teams problem than you are going to have a long season, while I was watching the pre season I said to myself I am worried about the defense, when they named him as the replacement for Rex I checked up on him and I knew this year would be a horrid year for our defense he has to go period. he's not the man to run our defense.
[/quote]


Interesting. So it's Mattison's fault that Foxworth let Moss go into the end zone uncontested? It's his fault that nobody on this team seems to remember how to tackle, instead of being drug down the field 5-7 yards first? It's his fault we got 9 penalties?
I'm not holding him faultless, but you know what? At the end of the day, it all comes down to our guys executing the play they are assigned to make.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' date='04 October 2009 - 06:55 PM' timestamp='1254704103' post='249335']
Interesting. So it's Mattison's fault that Foxworth let Moss go into the end zone uncontested? It's his fault that nobody on this team seems to remember how to tackle, instead of being drug down the field 5-7 yards first? It's his fault we got 9 penalties?
I'm not holding him faultless, but you know what? At the end of the day, it all comes down to our guys executing the play they are assigned to make.
[/quote]
Man I still cant get over that play with Foxworth and Moss, a HS kid knows that when its an all out blitz you take away the first move and look in at the QB, if an all out blitz hasnt gotten to the QB after the WRs first move then its not your fault if you surrender a TD. But Foxworth just sat there watching Moss like he didnt even know there was a 9 man blitz coming and let Moss dance to the inside. I try not to be critical but I swear a half decent college DB could have knocked that pass down or even picked it.

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='flynismo' date='04 October 2009 - 08:55 PM' timestamp='1254704103' post='249335']
Interesting. So it's Mattison's fault that Foxworth let Moss go into the end zone uncontested? It's his fault that nobody on this team seems to remember how to tackle, instead of being drug down the field 5-7 yards first? It's his fault we got 9 penalties?
I'm not holding him faultless, but you know what? At the end of the day, it all comes down to our guys executing the play they are assigned to make.
[/quote]
I think you & I talked about this before. Poor Tackling from our guys. Lack of discipline and/or poor execution will always bite you when the game clock strikes zero. Those issues keeps drives alive which couldv been 3 and outs. This have been my concern for a long time

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Steelerkillers' date='04 October 2009 - 08:53 PM' timestamp='1254704026' post='249333']
This loss hurts. It's the same results everytime, A Big Fat (L). [b]What, are they on a 5 game winning streak against us?[/b] The positive thing is-our D still stopped them from rushin for 100yrs.
[/quote]
You hadn't heard? They have not only won five games against us, but they are also undefeated against the Baltimore Ravens.

In fact, prior to this afternoon, the Ravens had never scored a touchdown in Foxborough.

[PuRock]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='04 October 2009 - 09:08 PM' timestamp='1254704923' post='249358']
You hadn't heard? They have not only won five games against us, but they are also undefeated against the Baltimore Ravens.

In fact, prior to this afternoon, [b]the Ravens had never scored a touchdown in Foxborough.[/b]
[/quote]

Well at least we're making baby steps.

I would have loved to notched off the Patriots and leave the Carolina Panthers as the only team we haven't beat. We get to play them next year. That would've been sweet.

[K-Dog]

ask me a week ago and I would have said no.
Today, although I thought our D played up to par and then some, I didnt see the pressure on Princess Bardy that I was expecting to see.

Ryan has a knack for looks and blits packages that we have not sparked this season.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='PuRock' date='04 October 2009 - 09:12 PM' timestamp='1254705144' post='249362']
Well at least we're making baby steps.

I would have loved to notched off the Patriots and leave the Carolina Panthers as the only team we haven't beat. We get to play them next year. That would've been sweet.
[/quote]
I think we play both of them in 2010, so next year we can beat both of them.

I have to say, I was a bit disapointed in the defense, but I remember Trevor Pryce saying that he expected the defense to struggle a little early in the year, but get better as the year progresses so I'm going with that.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Jamal' date='04 October 2009 - 05:52 PM' timestamp='1254693169' post='249023']
Our secondary needs time to develop.
[/quote]

Time to develop? Every last one of our starters in the secondary is a vet. Fox and Fabs have both been around for 5 seasons, Reed has been around a while, and Dawan has been around as long as Ngata. These guys are not rookies.