Week 4 – Baltimore Ravens At New England Patriots

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='04 October 2009 - 12:37 PM' timestamp='1254688623' post='248708']
Clayton haters are way too harsh on Clayton. You expect him to catch every catch thrown to him, no matter what position he's in, where he's at on the field, or what kind of coverage is on him. Not every incomplete pass is HIS fault. Sometimes defensive backs, you know, do their job and break up passes. Get over yourselves, and give the man some breathing room. He's a good receiver, just not number one material (right now). And I would not be surprised if Washington moved up to #2. Not because of how Clayton is playing or not playing, but because of how well Washington IS playing.
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I agree with you. Washington is playing well I am so happy Ravens picked him up. I think everyone is just being so hard on Clayton because we just lost and he was the 1 that dropped the ball. Lets face it though everyone drops balls now and then. The thing I like about our team the most now is we have an offense and we score TD's a lot more than in the past. coach Harbs always has the RAVENS ready to play and never lets them sleep on any team we face. Now they go back to the drawing board and get better for next weeks game against the Bengals.

[HoosierDaddy]

Pretty bad showing all around really guys, the defense was just bad really, Flacco made a few crucial errors, bad drop by Clayton honestly but we left points out there and we can't blame just Clayton. Cam made some terrible play calls out there today imo too.

[macbrak]

meh, Pats played a little better then us today.

[Ravens52]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='04 October 2009 - 04:55 PM' timestamp='1254689707' post='248818']
Guys, address the [u]POSTS[/u], NOT each other.
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My bad if I was guilty of that dude.

Just really frustrated.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Dude, I'm perfectly calm. I'm not upset at anyone, more so than the game. And no, not directed at you, Ravens52. Since it's text, you can take my words to mean I'm upset, or what have you. However, that's hardly the case. Unless one of you are the living embodiment of the game that just transcribed.

I was directing it at people who are negging me because they disagree with my opinion, which isn't even a controversial opinion, or flat out ignorance and stupidity. I do not care (although I do not really appreciate) if people wish to neg me, however some people seem to be making it out to sound like I'm defending a drop (or any past critical drop) by Clayton, when I'm not. Which is what I'm clarifying. Just like I never claimed him to be worth the #1 spot, which some people are twisting words and putting words in my mouth making it sound as if I want him to. At this point in time, I'd rather have Washington as #1 over Clayton, if it came down to.

Hell, I even stated I'd rather have Washington at #2 over Clayton. Yet people still make it seems as if I want Clayton to be our number one and catch more balls, at more critical moments.

[JO_75]

[quote name='ALSKAN RAVEN FAN' date='04 October 2009 - 04:55 PM' timestamp='1254689719' post='248820']
I agree with you. Washington is playing well I am so happy Ravens picked him up. I think everyone is just being so hard on Clayton because we just lost and he was the 1 that dropped the ball. [b]Lets face it though everyone drops balls now and then.[/b] The thing I like about our team the most now is we have an offense and we score TD's a lot more than in the past. coach Harbs always has the RAVENS ready to play and never lets them sleep on any team we face. Now they go back to the drawing board and get better for next weeks game against the Bengals.
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Yeah every reciever drops a ball every week. Even Fitzgerald, Boldin and Marshall drop the ball. So even the guys we talk about getting drop those kind of passes. It's not just Clayton, lay off Clayton.

[WinnipegRaven]

The only thing I blame Clayton for is the bad drop which ended our final potentially winning drive. Those are the most important catches one can make, and if you cant make a cream puff of a catch in week 4, I`m not persoanlly confident that you can make a similar catch come january. Clayton has rare displays of his abilities from time to time - I really wish he was a consistent WR, one deserving of his draft spot.

[REEDrulesall]

What's the point of all the bickering? Yeah, we're all pissed that Clayton blew it. Over the years he hasn't lived up to his potential, to say the least. But these arguments won't sway the coaching staff to bench him, or do anything for that matter. All that can be said at this point is that we played a hell of a game, our mistakes overwhelmed us, and now we gotta get ready for Cincy.

[WinnipegRaven]

and to top it all off - Cincy only wins by 3 - bubye 400 bux

[AwakenTheDemon]

Yes, he may be #1 material, eventually. But when I said when I said "I never said he was number one material" was right now, at this moment, he is not number one material. People seem to think I want him starting at the first spot right now. He's not good enough. Fact is, everyone progresses at their own rate. Clayton [u]may[/u] progress and earn that spot (Notice, earn. Not given), he may not. He shows flashes of a good receiver that's offset by costly mistakes.

[Gtown Purple]

I hope harbuagh can use this game as a way to moivate the team for the rest of the season. There were alot of things we did to eventually cost us the game. It's easy to say clayton lost it for us but there were other chances.


1. Carr's fumble to spot 3 points right off the bat
2. At least 3 15 yard penalties, 2 of them came on drives that resulted in points
3. Off balanced play calling, usually the ravens run the ball to set up the pass. This game they came out passing and forgot how to hand it off until the second quarter.
4. Poor tackling
5. Getting burned of plays where we blitz
6. Flacco's bone head interception before the half
7. Clayton's drop on the last drive.

[Ravens52]

Well, looks like next week is gonna be a battle for first!

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Gtown Purple' date='04 October 2009 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1254690235' post='248861']
I hope harbuagh can use this game as a way to moivate the team for the rest of the season. There were alot of things we did to eventually cost us the game. It's easy to say clayton lost it for us but there were other chances.


1. Carr's fumble to spot 3 points right off the bat
2. At least 3 15 yard penalties, 2 of them came on drives that resulted in points
3. Off balanced play calling, usually the ravens run the ball to set up the pass. This game they came out passing and forgot how to hand it off until the second quarter.
4. Poor tackling
5. Getting burned of plays where we blitz
6. Flacco's bone head interception before the half
7. Clayton's drop on the last drive.
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Wasn't his interception due to a wide out, Clayton I think, breaking off his route early? I was making lunch during that drive, so I only caught the end of it.

[clayton89]

lets not blame clayton entirely, carr fumbled the kickoff, flacco threw a pick, there were some high and lows and some bad calls but its a game move on, we got cinci lets take this loss, learn from it and go out and beat the bengals next week, we lost a game not the super bowl

[flynismo]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='04 October 2009 - 05:06 PM' timestamp='1254690361' post='248869']
Wasn't his interception due to a wide out, Clayton I think, breaking off his route early? I was making lunch during that drive, so I only caught the end of it.
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Yes, that was Clayton.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='clayton89' date='04 October 2009 - 05:07 PM' timestamp='1254690472' post='248875']
lets not blame clayton entirely, carr fumbled the kickoff, flacco threw a pick, there were some high and lows and some bad calls but its a game move on, we got cinci lets take this loss, learn from it and go out and beat the bengals next week, we lost a game not the super bowl
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You're right, the loss was far from being his fault. However, if he had caught that pass in the endzone, it would have gone into overtime. If he had caught the second pass, the Ravens would have had a fresh set of downs. He could have changed the game and when he was called upon he didn't deliver.

[flynismo]

[quote name='macbrak' date='04 October 2009 - 04:57 PM' timestamp='1254689826' post='248830']
meh, Pats played a little better then us today.
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They played much better, to be honest.

[Ravenglenn]

Too bad the Bengals won. Hope the Chargers can tonight.

Worse though: Papa John's free toppings??

[Ravens52]

That interception was confusion between Joe and Clayton. More so Joe though, Clayton was running a stop and go.

[REEDrulesall]

Next week we're gonna remind those Bengals who's boss. Looking around the AFC, though, poor Tennessee. They almost sent us home last year in the playoffs, and now they've fallen to 0-4. Almost sad. Also, the Jet's aren't doing too well, down 17-0 early. The Broncos are also down, so 2 of the remaining 3 undefeated teams in the AFC are trailing.

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='Ravens52' date='04 October 2009 - 03:14 PM' timestamp='1254690882' post='248904']
That interception was confusion between Joe and Clayton. More so Joe though, Clayton was running a stop and go.
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thats how I saw it as well.

[FlaccoFlicker]

we out gained them in stats yet joe was 27/47 we out passed them and out ran them but they just out scored us the 85 yards in penalties didnt help considering most those penalties came after 3rd down stops. but its just one loss guys season is not over time to focus on the bengals.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='04 October 2009 - 04:11 PM' timestamp='1254690665' post='248891']
You're right, the loss was far from being his fault. However, if he had caught that pass in the endzone, it would have gone into overtime. If he had caught the second pass, the Ravens would have had a fresh set of downs. He could have changed the game and when he was called upon he didn't deliver.
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Which is why he isn't a gamebreaker. He obviously has a problem with pressure. Considering he was doing quite well throughout the rest of that last drive, making catches, getting out of bounds. I'd say that he struggles in the red zone, period. If you were to look at his touchdowns, I would imagine it was be safe to assume that most would be outside of the red zone, longer gallops. He can start to get us down the field, but doesn't seem to be able to finish it himself.

[Bltravens]

Im gonna address as much stuff here as I can, in my usual unbiased approach. Clayton will not be a number 1 receiver hes 27 and this is his 5th year in the league. If it hasnt happened now its not gonna happen, im sorry thats just the way it is. Is it Claytons fault we lost the game certainly not, how can you pin the blame all on one person if you've ever even played a real sport at a real level (HS does not count, im talking at least college) then you know there are more than 1 play that decides the game. Thats how sports work. Is Claytons attempt at the end of the game inexcusable, yes thats why your payed, to make that catch. And whoever said Flacco was throwing too hard thats a pretty weak excuse. Favre was known for literally throwin 80 mph at his receivers in GB and guess what Driver and Sterling and Jennings still caught it. Thats like saying on a double play the 3rd baseman threw it too hard to the 2nd baseman so he bobbled it, come on dude. Our defense really wasnt all that bad, we gave up the same amount of points as the 07 defense....and we have less experience in the secondary. One play I do question is an all out blitz in the redzone on 3rd down when our defense this year under Mattison has made a living on forcing teams to take FGs, instead of suffocating them. Clayton in my opinion has been used wrong, he should be in the slot, hes too small outside and his route running is nowhere near Mason's (which is why Mason can be productive outside).

[WinnipegRaven]

how many games this year with 80+ yds of penalties

[Ravens52]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='04 October 2009 - 05:11 PM' timestamp='1254690665' post='248891']
You're right, the loss was far from being his fault. However, if he had caught that pass in the endzone, it would have gone into overtime. If he had caught the second pass, the Ravens would have had a fresh set of downs. He could have changed the game and when he was called upon he didn't deliver.
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Actually the TD would have put us in the lead. With the extra point.

[FlaccoFlicker]

least 2 games with 80 plus yards in penalties

[Jamal]

To be so close and lose makes this a very disappointing loss. Hopefully next time the Ravens face a good team, they actually win.

[westhamunitedfc]

Cant be too upset with this result, i thought we played ok, questionable play calling aside. not sure what some peoples Agenda is against clayton but i guess a defeat will always need a scapegoat.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I really wouldn't let this get anyone's hopes of us against "good" teams down. It was a "good" game that did come down to the wire. Had the Pats dominated us, I would say maybe we should be worried, but that was not the case. There were alot of sloppy penalties, yet we still hung in there until the end. I'd say that bodes well.