Missing Rex Ryan After Week 2?

[flynismo]

[quote name='funky141' date='21 September 2009 - 09:12 AM' timestamp='1253538766' post='239279']
Number 1 run defense because the Ravens can be passed on all day. Just like the Colts had the number 1 pass defense last year because everyone could run on them. Don't let the stats fool you. There is a major problem in the secondary for the Ravens.

Its great that the Ravens can score points and they look like a playoff team but in the palyoffs points become hard to score.
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Firstly, Indy had faaar from the best pass defense last year. One of the teams they trailed in that category is us.

Secondly, how do you account for the 2.2 YPC our defense limits teams to?

[flynismo]

[quote name='noy' date='23 September 2009 - 12:21 PM' timestamp='1253722886' post='240283']
A lot of members are acting like they know more about football than Mattison...
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Hey now, I just held SD to six points, sacked Rivers 9 times and picked him off twice in Madden. That's waaay better than Mattison, maybe I really do know more than him!

* Interestingly enough, Rivers still managed almost 300 passing yards on me despite the above.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I'm not going to be worried about the defense unless it's week eight and we're still getting passed on. However, we're winning regardless, so let Mattison work the kinks out of the defense early on. It's too early to get worried, in my opinion. Rivers is a great quarterback and his wideouts are tall and talented. I really do not see this as an on-going problem this season.

[Bosanac]

I really don't think it's missing him, rather than just the players getting used to a new system. you can't expect them to perfect it after only a few months. just give it some time, and enjoy the semi-high powered offense we seem to have (so far) acquired.

[ravensgirlx88]

We are allowing way to much pass yardage on the field. The defense worries me but I have a feeling we'll step it up. Foxworth is fast and agressive. I think it would be smart if he gained some weight though since he's lacking in the height department. We need a big strong physical corner and I think giving 28 mil to an unproven one probably wasent the smartest idea. But he's here and I hope he can step it up. I dont like being passed on. Its scary. Defense wins games because of the simple fact that if teams cant score you dont have to worry about losing. When you have an offense thats balanced out by a less dominate Defense you allow other teams to be able to score on you, which in turn can cause games to be tied in the 4th quarter and one lucky pass, or dropped ball can cause a loss. I dont like that type of football. Im a RAVENS fan because of my defense. I like low scoring games. I LOVE blitzing and putting qb's on their backs and getting interceptions. Honestly, passing the ball to me is boring. I like hard hits. Dont get me wrong. I LOVEEEE Joe. I think he brought something to this team we've needed for awhile. But I think John Harbaugh and our team needs to remember that "Playing like a Raven" means playing Defense. So I HOPPPPE we continue to be dominant.

[ravensgirlx88]

Oh. I'd I think if your a Ravens fan you can't honestly say you dont miss REX RYAN!! AND hearing calls like "Bart Scott on the tackle for the Jets" makes me cringe. Watching Jets games puts knots in my stomach.

[rastaman831226]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='20 September 2009 - 10:16 PM' timestamp='1253499408' post='238979']
Its not so much the coach or the scheme as it is the personnel. JJ is too slow to play OLB in a 4-3, Suggs is the only edge rusher, Ngata needs to dominate more so when hes on one on one. Lewis is clearly still legit, but lets be honest he isnt the Lewis from 96-05 when he was faster than some wide receivers and could roam sideline to sideline without problems. Our corners arent even close to shutdowns, and have a hard time being left in man coverage even before today. I just dont think we have the personnel to be a 4-3 team, despite Lewis prob racking up 120+ tackles this year in the 4-3 I just dont think it benefits our weakest part of the team and thats been the secondary for the past 3 years.
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Nailed it, you know your football. I hope Mattison realizes this and goes back to Rex's Organized Chaos of max blitz 24/7. Rex knew the secret of dominate defense was pressuring the QB into short plays and mistakes. Why would Mattison change that formula and go conservative? Using the gambling Organized Chaos playbook in culmination with Cam's high powered Offense would make the Ravens the most dominate team in football.

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='Harlemknight' date='21 September 2009 - 06:57 PM' timestamp='1253573860' post='239562']
I agree. After the first game I posted saying that I thought the defense had fallen off. People went ape saying delete this post and that I was wrong. But I still stand by my opinion. Our CB's are suspect. Our pass rush is not getting through fast enough. We upgraded our oline but other teams pass rush get to Flacco. what the heck???
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I agree! You're absolutely correct. You have to expect people to hate you for speakin your mind. The truth always hurts. People would rather you give Biased opinions and assessments instead of shedding light on the dark places of your team. Unfortunately, when it comes to some fellow-fans, their itching ears only wanna hear the possitives, nothing negative. Thats just the way it is around here. But as long as we keep winning and improve from our weaknesses in the process, we should be alright

[Alexir]

We had Rex Ryan last year when our defense gave up a lot of yards to the Manning Brothers so whats your point?

[Rinbee]

[quote name='tweety' date='20 September 2009 - 09:57 PM' timestamp='1253498233' post='238949']
I disagree, we had our chance to keep Rex. We didn't respect his intelligence and impact. Boy were we wrong.

Hindsight is 20/20
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I don't think there was any way we could have kep Rex. Besides being a good DC, Rex has a huge ego and I think he would have take the Lion's job just so he could say he was a HC. People are getting too worked up over what has happened in 2 WEEKS. NE looked horrible and I don't think it was entirely the Jets that made them look that way. NE got luck against BUFFALO. The Jets beat Houston. We are comparing apples and oranges at the beginning of the season.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Steelerkillers' date='25 September 2009 - 12:55 PM' timestamp='1253904946' post='241266']
I agree! You're absolutely correct. You have to expect people to hate you for speakin your mind. The truth always hurts. People would rather you give Biased opinions and assessments instead of shedding light on the dark places of your team. Unfortunately, when it comes to some fellow-fans, their itching ears only wanna hear the possitives, nothing negative. Thats just the way it is around here. But as long as we keep winning and improve from our weaknesses in the process, we should be alright
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Other teams pass rush isnt really getting to Flacco, its part of the main reason why Flacco is doing so well right now. Hes been sacked what twice in 2 games in like 60 pass attempts? The problem with our pass rush is we only have 1 pure pass rusher on our team as it is, and thats Suggs so why we're making it easy for teams to pick up on where the pass rush is coming from when we dont have guys that can pass rush is beyond me. Ngata should be dominating the LOS in a 4-3 right now but he isnt as effectively as I thought he would. Pryce is 34 and isnt the same, and Gregg isnt a pass rusher period. We have 1 edge rusher and 1 middle pocket pushing rusher who isnt dominating yet. JJ is bruiser, but is too slow for OLB in a 4-3, hell I might even put him on the line on the other edge opposite Suggs, hes big and strong enough. Gooden looks confused at times (if I remember his scouting report out of Miami was that his football IQ wasnt too high), Lewis is legit, and McClain looks lost in pass coverage. Ayenbedejo has never been a starter, I dont even know when the last time hes even split time at ILB, but hes a hustler like JJ so cant knock him too much.

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='Rinbee' date='25 September 2009 - 03:19 PM' timestamp='1253906397' post='241270']
I don't think there was any way we could have kep Rex. Besides being a good DC, Rex has a huge ego and I think he would have take the Lion's job just so he could say he was a HC. People are getting too worked up over what has happened in 2 WEEKS. NE looked horrible and I don't think it was entirely the Jets that made them look that way. NE got luck against BUFFALO. The Jets beat Houston. We are comparing apples and oranges at the beginning of the season.
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I agree! He wouldv left anyway.I think us raven fans wasnt aware of his ego here in bmore becuz he was a DC with few interviews/publicity and not the man in charge. Its hard to examine someones character when you seldomly hear or see them in the media circus. Now that he's a HC in the beloved city of NY, we're beginning to see the monster we had on our sideline. It's cool if people wanna say he's using "attitude/cockyness as a stradegy to promote/propell/encourage his team. But i think arrogance and pride is part of his character. I may be wrong. But thats my assessment. I could care-less that he's gone. We're still winning. That's all that matter at this point. If we weren't scoring points this year, but still had the stifling defense we are used to having, people would be complaining about that-(the offense). There's an old saying "The Flesh Is Never Satisfied"!

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' date='25 September 2009 - 11:30 AM' timestamp='1253892603' post='241177']
Oh. I'd I think if your a Ravens fan you can't honestly say you dont miss REX RYAN!! AND hearing calls like "Bart Scott on the tackle for the Jets" makes me cringe. Watching Jets games puts knots in my stomach.
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I'm inclined to listen to Ray Lewis when he says that we need to stay focused on this season. ([url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-32question092209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns"]Yahoo.com[/url])

[QUOTE]Before Suggs could answer, Lewis looked over from a nearby locker and treated my question like it was Darren Sproles on fourth-and-2.

“That’s dead to us, man,” Lewis said, shaking his head for emphasis. “That’s [i]last year.[/i] We’re all about the here and now.”

I guarantee Lewis wasn’t amused late last month when, after a preseason game between the Ravens and Jets, New York linebacker Bart Scott – a former teammate who’d been wooed away in free agency – told reporters that Ryan “was the head coach of that football team last year, whether you guys know it or not.”
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Sure, I love Rex Ryan and Bart Scott for what they did when they were in Baltimore -- but they're not [i]in[/i] Baltimore anymore. So as far as I'm concerned, during the season, they shouldn't be of any concern to us because they have [i]nothing[/i] to do with us right now. Worrying about the past does [i]nothing[/i] to keep us, as fans, excited about the future. And believe me, there's [i]plenty[/i] to be excited about.

Do I miss Rex Ryan? No. Do I miss Bart Scott? No. Do I still appreciate them? Yes -- just not as much right now.

[flynismo]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='25 September 2009 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1253925193' post='241360']
Sure, I love Rex Ryan and Bart Scott for what they did when they were in Baltimore -- but they're not [i]in[/i] Baltimore anymore. So as far as I'm concerned, during the season, they shouldn't be of any concern to us because they have [i]nothing[/i] to do with us right now. Worrying about the past does [i]nothing[/i] to keep us, as fans, excited about the future. And believe me, there's [i]plenty[/i] to be excited about.

Do I miss Rex Ryan? No. Do I miss Bart Scott? No. Do I still appreciate them? Yes -- just not as much right now.
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meh, good riddance as far as I'm concerned.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='flynismo' date='25 September 2009 - 08:50 PM' timestamp='1253926252' post='241368']
meh, good riddance as far as I'm concerned.
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Agreed!

[ray-ray is a beast-beast]

Good Riddance?!

All us Baltimore Ravens fans should be rooting for Rex Ryan and Bart Scott, they were wonderful when in Baltimore, and have taken the Ravens' philosophy of smash-mouth football to New York, while continuing to acknowledge their respect for the Ravens' organization. Well, Rex still respects the Ravens, at least.

Not only do I miss Rex Ryan, I think it is hugely unfortunate that John Harbaugh has the job that, obviously, Rex deserves here and once desperately wanted. Rex is a dynamic, visionary head coach who has a clearer concept for what he wants out of the Jets (Hardcore defense-minded football) than Harbaugh does in Batltimore. Plus, most importantly, Rex seems to respect the players as equals, unlike John Harbaugh, who's inappropriately paternal treatment of his players is the reason that we don't have CMac playing, and is why our defense is slipping.

And all you guys who want to see Rex fail for wearing his heart on his sleeve and being unpredictable in press conferences, are you serious?! Why do you hate people shaking up expectations and being daring?

Rex should be the head coach, and is bringing what it really means to "play like a raven" to New York, while our character as a team has changed into something none of us recognize.

All Ravens fans who love old-school smash-mouth football need to seriously root for the Jets and the Ravens this year.

I do.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='ray-ray is a beast-beast' date='25 September 2009 - 10:42 PM' timestamp='1253932929' post='241402']
And all you guys who want to see Rex fail for wearing his heart on his sleeve and being unpredictable in press conferences, are you serious?! Why do you hate people shaking up expectations and being daring?
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It's one thing to be emotional and unpredictable, it's another thing to intentionally rub people the wrong way as a motivational tool. He's admitted outright that a lot of what he does is to deflect attention from his players, but it also brings out a level of pretentiousness in his arrogance.

Rex Ryan running his mouth about his Baltimore days, calling out a rookie for wearing his former player's jersey number, and speaking his mind about things he's no longer apart of, is something I can't accept. Again, I appreciate him for all he's done as a Raven -- but he's no longer a Raven, bottom line. Bart Scott's comment that Rex was the "real head coach" of the team was misleading (and misguided) at best, and does nothing to keep the love for him alive in Baltimore.

At the end of the day, again, Rex Ryan and Bart Scott are no longer Ravens. They are New York Jets, who also play in the AFC. For all we know, we could see them in the playoffs. So as far as I'm concerned, as long as they're with the Jets, they're practically dead to me -- at least until they retire or come back to the Ravens in some capacity. Same with Jamal Lewis as long as he's a Brown, etc.

[macbrak]

Rex, Lenny, and the Mad Backer are dead to be.

I want them to beat the Pats again but other then that, meh.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ray-ray is a beast-beast' date='25 September 2009 - 10:42 PM' timestamp='1253932929' post='241402']
Good Riddance?!

All us Baltimore Ravens fans should be rooting for Rex Ryan and Bart Scott, they were wonderful when in Baltimore, and have taken the Ravens' philosophy of smash-mouth football to New York, while continuing to acknowledge their respect for the Ravens' organization. Well, Rex still respects the Ravens, at least.

Not only do I miss Rex Ryan, I think it is hugely unfortunate that John Harbaugh has the job that, obviously, Rex deserves here and once desperately wanted. Rex is a dynamic, visionary head coach who has a clearer concept for what he wants out of the Jets (Hardcore defense-minded football) than Harbaugh does in Batltimore. Plus, most importantly, Rex seems to respect the players as equals, unlike John Harbaugh, who's inappropriately paternal treatment of his players is the reason that we don't have CMac playing, and is why our defense is slipping.

And all you guys who want to see Rex fail for wearing his heart on his sleeve and being unpredictable in press conferences, are you serious?! Why do you hate people shaking up expectations and being daring?

Rex should be the head coach, and is bringing what it really means to "play like a raven" to New York, while our character as a team has changed into something none of us recognize.

All Ravens fans who love old-school smash-mouth football, need to seriously root for the Jets and the Ravens this year.

I do.
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Yes. Good riddance.
If you want to support him, go right ahead.

I don't have to root for the Jets just because I love smashmouth football. That's what the Ravens are for. That's why they're "my" team. Like the saying goes, if you're not with us, then you're against us.

And maybe you don't see what our team is transforming into, but I do. So do most of us. Since Harbaugh's arrival, there is no longer division in the locker room. Our offense and defense no longer take seperate buses to games. He has brought newfound respect and dignity to our team, something Ryan CLEARLY isn't capable of.

So...

Good riddance.

[theFRANCHISE]

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[flynismo]

[quote name='macbrak' date='25 September 2009 - 11:08 PM' timestamp='1253934533' post='241410']
Rex, Lenny, and the Mad Backer are dead to be.

I want them to beat the Pats again but other then that, meh.
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This thread is dead to me.
I wish no luck or good fortune to anyone unless it directly benefits the Ravens.

[ray-ray is a beast-beast]

[quote name='flynismo' date='25 September 2009 - 11:12 PM' timestamp='1253934720' post='241411']
Yes. Good riddance.
If you want to support him, go right ahead.

I don't have to root for the Jets just because I love smashmouth football. That's what the Ravens are for. That's why they're "my" team. Like the saying goes, if you're not with us, then you're against us.

And maybe you don't see what our team is transforming into, but I do. So do most of us. Since Harbaugh's arrival, there is no longer division in the locker room. Our offense and defense no longer take seperate buses to games. He has brought newfound respect and dignity to our team, something Ryan CLEARLY isn't capable of.

So...

Good riddance.
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well put -- i just worry that that Ravens smashmouth quality has left baltimore and traveled north, at least a little.

[PuRock]

[quote name='ray-ray is a beast-beast' date='25 September 2009 - 11:25 PM' timestamp='1253935501' post='241417']
well put -- i just worry that that Ravens smashmouth quality has left baltimore and traveled north, at least a little.
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Nah. But if your that worried about it. You can always travel north as well.

Rex Ryan - Bart Scott. They were great when here. But they are replaceable. Just like Marvin Lewis was replaceable. Just like Adalius Thomas was Replaceable. Just like Mike Nolan was replaceable. Just like Ed Hartwell was replaceable.

We promote from within on the defensive coaching front. That's one of the reasons why we stay consistent. That, and a guy name Ray Lewis.

[ray-ray is a beast-beast]

[quote name='PuRock' date='25 September 2009 - 11:29 PM' timestamp='1253935769' post='241418']
Nah. But if your that worried about it. You can always travel north as well.

Rex Ryan - Bart Scott. They were great when here. But they are replaceable. Just like Marvin Lewis was replaceable. Just like Adalius Thomas was Replaceable. Just like Mike Nolan was replaceable. Just like Ed Hartwell was replaceable.

We promote from within on the defensive coaching front. That's one of the reasons why we stay consistent. That, and a guy name Ray Lewis.
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Not everyone is automatically replaceable.

Joe Flacco isn't replaceable. Ray isn't replaceable. Suggs isn't replaceable. Ngata isn't replaceable.

Only time can tell who is replaceable and who isn't, what the organization can absorb the loss of, and what it can't.

Time will tell if Rex was "replaceable". It's not wrong to worry.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ray-ray is a beast-beast' date='25 September 2009 - 11:25 PM' timestamp='1253935501' post='241417']
well put -- i just worry that that Ravens smashmouth quality has left baltimore and traveled north, at least a little.
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Don't mistake bravado for anything else, other than what it is....despite what it probably sounds like, I like Rex's personality. I respect his knowledge and prowess as a DC.
But much like our very own Cam Cameron is far better suited as a coordinator rather than the face of our organization and public figure, Rex isn't suited to be a head coach. At least not ours.

I caught your reference about why you believe C'Mac is no longer with us. I view it differently. I see it as a simple business decision, and C'Mac's rebellion was the nail in the coffin. Harbaugh demands respect. Ryan appears to try to win the respect of his team. It shouldn't be that way.

I wouldn't worry too much about apathy setting in....that Ray Lewis guy seems to be quite the motivational speaker

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='ray-ray is a beast-beast' date='25 September 2009 - 11:41 PM' timestamp='1253936501' post='241425']
Only time can tell who is replaceable and who isn't, what the organization can absorb the loss of, and what it can't.

Time will tell if Rex was "replaceable". It's not wrong to worry.
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But, the team has a history of replacing defensive coordinators and suffering very few ill effects. From Marvin Lewis to Mike Nolan to Rex Ryan, and now to Greg Mattison, we'll see what happens.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='ray-ray is a beast-beast' date='25 September 2009 - 11:41 PM' timestamp='1253936501' post='241425']
Not everyone is automatically replaceable.

Joe Flacco isn't replaceable. Ray isn't replaceable. Suggs isn't replaceable. Ngata isn't replaceable.

Only time can tell who is replaceable and who isn't, what the organization can absorb the loss of, and what it can't.

Time will tell if Rex was "replaceable". It's not wrong to worry.
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Flacco? I think he'd probably belong in the "time will tell" category.

As for Suggs and Ngata, well I certainly wouldn't want for the team to have to find replacements for them, but it isn't as though the Ravens didn't win games without them. I think we won a pretty big game in the 2000 season without Suggs or Ngata unless I'm mistaken...

Defensive coordinators, on the other hand, have come and gone and the Ravens have generally had a great defense year in and year out.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ray-ray is a beast-beast' date='25 September 2009 - 11:41 PM' timestamp='1253936501' post='241425']
Not everyone is automatically replaceable.

Joe Flacco isn't replaceable. Ray isn't replaceable. Suggs isn't replaceable. Ngata isn't replaceable.

Only time can tell who is replaceable and who isn't, what the organization can absorb the loss of, and what it can't.

Time will tell if Rex was "replaceable". It's not wrong to worry.
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Rex is replaceable, as we've proven several times before....he just left some big shoes for Mattison to fill.
So far, Mattison has done well for himself. I see no reason to believe he won't do a magnificent job.

[PuRock]

[quote name='ray-ray is a beast-beast' date='25 September 2009 - 11:41 PM' timestamp='1253936501' post='241425']
Not everyone is automatically replaceable.

Joe Flacco isn't replaceable. Ray isn't replaceable. Suggs isn't replaceable. Ngata isn't replaceable.

Only time can tell who is replaceable and who isn't, what the organization can absorb the loss of, and what it can't.

Time will tell if Rex was "replaceable". It's not wrong to worry.
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I didn't say everybody. I merely stated Defensive Coordinators and Complimentary linebackers (to Ray Lewis). They are replaceable.

Offense is a different story. And I mentioned that Ray Lewis is the one important constant. He's a consistent Cog.

But are we really comparing Rex Ryan/Bart Scott to Ray Lewis? We promote from within on defensive coaching - check. We home grow the complimentary linebacker - check. Last time I checked Rex Ryan and Bart Scott where just checks once upon a time.

[ray-ray is a beast-beast]

You guys make a good point, and that DC track record definitely speaks for itself.

I suppose my lamenting the loss of Ryan might have been premature.

For better or worse, our date with the Patriots in a week should replace some question marks with exclamation points.