Missing Rex Ryan After Week 2?

[20ReedsAll]

Whenever any reporter mentioned that the Ravens were gonna miss Ryan this season, we laughed at them. But after two weeks, I cant help but think that for the first time, we may miss someone that we lost on defense. I couldnt help but notice that the Jets are still top 5 in defense, and we just gave up 400+ yds on defense. I recognize that we did play the Chargers high powered offense, arguably the second best in the league behind New Orleans, but whens the last time we saw a team pass at will up and down the field against us? Its been a while...

I can only hope that I'm overreacting, and that Mattison is every bit as good as Ryan...but I will say, I did miss me some Rex today.

[CNC]

We saw what Rivers/Jackson did to us.....

OMG.... Moss/Brady... I just hope we can get pressure on Tom quick...I think we have to win that game on offense too.

[J-man]

I think that people are over reacting to how "good" Sanchez is playing. It's not like he is throwing for 250-300 yards and like 2 TD's. The play of the week on somewhere was like his td pass that wasnt impressive, when you have Ray blowing Sproles up in the backfield to win the game, or the Bears kick to beat Pittsburgh, but instead it's Mark Sanchez throwing a 10 yard touchdown to his single covered wide receiver to take the lead.

[tweety]

We played a high power offense, hmm yes. The Jets played a high power offense, YES. Are we missing Rex Ryan, nothing we can do about that. When you asked why our defense changed, that is why.

[tweety]

[quote name='J-man' date='20 September 2009 - 09:51 PM' timestamp='1253497879' post='238943']
I think that people are over reacting to how "good" Sanchez is playing. It's not like he is throwing for 250-300 yards and like 2 TD's. The play of the week on somewhere was like his td pass that wasnt impressive, when you have Ray blowing Sproles up in the backfield to win the game, or the Bears kick to beat Pittsburgh, but instead it's Mark Sanchez throwing a 10 yard touchdown to his single covered wide receiver to take the lead.
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I could care less or even the slight bit jealous of the Jets offense or quarterback.

[Wacco4Flacco]

NFL should change this rule. When youre under contract you cant leave your club until your contract expires. Baseball does it this way. Like can the Orioles fire Dave Trembley and get John Gibbons off the K.C Royals? John Gibbons is a bench coach under contract with the the K.C Royals. So Orioles cant just hire him like Jets did with Rex Ryan when hes still under contract with the Ravens. NFL should change this rule like Baseball has.

[tweety]

[quote name='Wacco4Flacco' date='20 September 2009 - 09:53 PM' timestamp='1253498009' post='238947']
NFL should change this rule. When youre under contract you cant leave your club until your contract expires. Baseball does it this way. Like can the Orioles fire Dave Trembley and get John Gibbons off the K.C Royals? John Gibbons is a bench coach under contract with the the K.C Royals. So Orioles cant just hire him like Jets did with Rex Ryan when hes still under contract with the Ravens. NFL should change this rule like Baseball has.
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I disagree, we had our chance to keep Rex. We didn't respect his intelligence and impact. Boy were we wrong.

Hindsight is 20/20

[Bltravens]

Its not so much the coach or the scheme as it is the personnel. JJ is too slow to play OLB in a 4-3, Suggs is the only edge rusher, Ngata needs to dominate more so when hes on one on one. Lewis is clearly still legit, but lets be honest he isnt the Lewis from 96-05 when he was faster than some wide receivers and could roam sideline to sideline without problems. Our corners arent even close to shutdowns, and have a hard time being left in man coverage even before today. I just dont think we have the personnel to be a 4-3 team, despite Lewis prob racking up 120+ tackles this year in the 4-3 I just dont think it benefits our weakest part of the team and thats been the secondary for the past 3 years.

[meckman71]

I have noticed our defensive players at lest the line get set way earlier then they usually did in past years ,not as much of that Organized Chaos I'm used to seeing. We did a lot with 4 down lineman using 2 DT's . Though with Greg, Ngata, Bannan who can blame trying to use them. Gota love that modified 3-4 Rex ran so well and is doing again in NY if you watched any of the Jets game.

[Wacco4Flacco]

Same reason why Marvin Lewis left,,Opportunities. Please Mr Goodell change this rule so Cam cant leave us while under contract.

[Guest DrVenture45]

I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about. True, the Ravens are coughing up a lot of yardage, but there's still room for adjustment. Harbaugh not going to accept sluggish defense for too much longer. As for Rex Ryan, what's done is done; the Jets may be using some "Ryan-istic" plays but that can also prove to be fatal. The Ravens are finally winning by some pretty good numbers and everyone's acting like its the dawn before the darkness. Are there ANY optimistic fans out there?

[flynismo]

[quote name='tweety' date='20 September 2009 - 09:57 PM' timestamp='1253498233' post='238949']
I disagree, we had our chance to keep Rex. We didn't respect his intelligence and impact. Boy were we wrong.

Hindsight is 20/20
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No, Rex wanted a HC position. Had nothing to do with us not appreciating him enough, it was a matter of us not being able to give him what he wanted (and deserved).

[POE]

Yea a lot of overreacting IMO as well. We got burnt on a few plays today but for the most part our secondary played well. Let's face it Rivers and that offense are not slouches or bums and executed when they needed to but our corners and safetys were there on most every play but Rivers put it where our guys couldn't get to it. The bottom line is when the Chargers got into the redzone our defense made the stop and made them kick field goals which ultimately sealed the deal for us in the end. If we take away those 3 big plays it becomes a blow out and this game wouldn't even be close. Don't lose faith yet fellas and for God's sake please don't start the "I miss Rex Ryan crap" already. We are finally a complete team IMO, with a few minor patches to fix, and a whole lot of season to fix them..let's get prepared for the ride. Go Ravens!

[Alexir]

Suggs is overpaid, plain and simple.

[20ravens52]

[quote name='Alexir' date='21 September 2009 - 01:19 AM' timestamp='1253510396' post='239152']
Suggs is overpaid, plain and simple.
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Suggs is only one of the best up and coming LB/DE hybrids in the game. The guy is only 26.

Our defense wouldn't be nearly is good without him.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='DrVenture45' date='21 September 2009 - 12:53 AM' timestamp='1253508815' post='239142']
I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about. True, the Ravens are coughing up a lot of yardage, but there's still room for adjustment. Harbaugh not going to accept sluggish defense for too much longer. As for Rex Ryan, what's done is done; the Jets may be using some "Ryan-istic" plays but that can also prove to be fatal. The Ravens are finally winning by some pretty good numbers and everyone's acting like its the dawn before the darkness. Are there ANY optimistic fans out there?
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Harbaugh is not going to accept sluggish d to much longer. What is he going to do go out and hire another D coordinator because he cant coach the D. Yall have got to be kidding me. Hiring Harbaugh as charismatic as he is may prove to be the worst decision we made in franchise history. I do miss Rex and he should have been our head coach not just some guy that knows how to go get an O coordinator and a bunch of other coaches that do his job for him. It didn't take a brain surgeon to know that cam is the best o coordinator and QB coach in the league. I Feel like this as head coach you should always coach some aspect of the game. Harbaugh coached special teams and dB's and those are the worst to areas on the team. I like the guy though I'm not saying that but hes like a manager of a football team not a coach. I'm missing Singletary too.

[smashmouth]

[quote name='20ReedsAll' date='20 September 2009 - 09:41 PM' timestamp='1253497296' post='238929']
Whenever any reporter mentioned that the Ravens were gonna miss Ryan this season, we laughed at them. But after two weeks, I cant help but think that for the first time, we may miss someone that we lost on defense. I couldnt help but notice that the Jets are still top 5 in defense, and we just gave up 400+ yds on defense. I recognize that we did play the Chargers high powered offense, arguably the second best in the league behind New Orleans, but whens the last time we saw a team pass at will up and down the field against us? Its been a while...

I can only hope that I'm overreacting, and that Mattison is every bit as good as Ryan...but I will say, I did miss me some Rex today.
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The Colts is the team that has always done this on us.And they did it last year. People are forgetting that the Chargers run a very legit passing team. Everyone forgets 2007, the very same Rex Ryan was getting torched because of poor CB play. Simple fix is we need our CB's to play more physical.

Im not saying that I would rather have Mattison over Ryan, because I dont. But Ryan was notorious for Blitzing the entire game with success, then going into a prevent defense to lose the game. 2 times last year the Steelers beat us because of this.

Now all of a sudden with the jets, he went after Brady the entire game, including the last couple of minutes and it worked just as it did the entire game. Curse you Rex. And brady is not playing no where near the level that he can. Rivers outplayed him 100 times over.

Let the Jets play a high powered offense and then see where they stand. I know the Pats is capable of this, but no one can lie and say Brady is firing on all cylenders. He's throwing jump balls 1 out of every 3 passes.
Just my 2 cents. And Im hoping kruger gets on the active list and is able to cause some chaos. Pyrce is just not a force rushing the passer anymore.

[William Murderface]

I say give it some time. The chargers are a great offense. Plus we have a lot of match problems with them. Sproles is a quick back which our team isnt good going against and our CBs are small fast guys and they had huge match up problems with SD bigger recievers. And you have to give credit to Rivers (though he is whiny little baby) as he played great. Its all about match ups and most of us knew coming in our D did not match up with their RBs or WRs.

Onto Rex Ryan. I would have to say we made the right decision hiring Harbaugh. Harbaugh is a classy guy and a leader. Rex Ryan showed this week and the week he played us in the preseason that he is not a classy guy. I used to love the guy but i got to say i am losing some respect for him. The way he bad-mouthed the ravens and harbaugh and then all that was said this week between the Jets and the Pats.

And finally, our D played awful yesterday but i still think it has some promise. Why? Caused we stepped up in the clutch against a great team. Last year we gave up game winning drives (or tying drives) to the titans, and steelers (twice). I think playing more out of the base is probably going to help with that. i could contine on why i think playing more base will help in the clutch but i have to get going.

[charles1712]

[quote name='20ReedsAll' date='20 September 2009 - 09:41 PM' timestamp='1253497296' post='238929']
Whenever any reporter mentioned that the Ravens were gonna miss Ryan this season, we laughed at them. But after two weeks, I cant help but think that for the first time, we may miss someone that we lost on defense. I couldnt help but notice that the Jets are still top 5 in defense, and we just gave up 400+ yds on defense. I recognize that we did play the Chargers high powered offense, arguably the second best in the league behind New Orleans, but whens the last time we saw a team pass at will up and down the field against us? Its been a while...

I can only hope that I'm overreacting, and that Mattison is every bit as good as Ryan...but I will say, I did miss me some Rex today.
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You are a 100% on the money with your comment .

[PIG 20]

[quote name='Alexir' date='21 September 2009 - 01:19 AM' timestamp='1253510396' post='239152']
Suggs is overpaid, plain and simple.
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Wrong.

Suggs was double teamed the entire game and he still hurried Rivers on multiple occasions. When a team uses "max protect" schemes against a defense the entire game, the QB is going to get time to throw the football.

Not to mention we totally shut down any run game.

The reason we looked bad on defense had more to do with the fact that our corners were outsized by 6" or more and Phillip Rivers has an incredible arm with a very quick release. He doesn't hold onto the football. We left our secondary on an island and it showed when SD had a lot of field to work with.

Although when SD got into the red zone they couldn't score TD's because we shut down the run and their WR's didn't have enough time to get open with such a short field to work with. Rivers was barely sacked but that doesn't mean he didn't get banged up. He took a lot of hits.

The TD pass in triple coverage was a thing of beauty. That may have been one of the most perfect pass/catch sequences I have ever seen.

[12th man]

I think you all forget a win is a win!!!!
It's time for the Offense to step up and win the games !!! All theses years the Defence has been winning games so now Flacco and the offence has to and I love it. Do i want the defence to play better in the secondary??? YES!!!Did we stop the RUN??? YES!!! did we stop touchdowns??? YES ,so this week work on the secondary. one thing I'm not loving cris carr???

[Twoo]

[quote name='12th man' date='21 September 2009 - 08:32 AM' timestamp='1253536322' post='239253']
I think you all forget a win is a win!!!!
It's time for the Offense to step up and win the games !!! All theses years the Defence has been winning games so now Flacco and the offence has to and I love it. Do i want the defence to play better in the secondary??? YES!!!Did we stop the RUN??? YES!!! did we stop touchdowns??? YES ,so this week work on the secondary. one thing I'm not loving cris carr???
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You hit the nail on the head.

We have the number 1 rush defense, and nearly top 3 in all categories in offense. Our defense may not be pretty right now, but we FINALLY have an offense to make up for it/carry us.

People need to stop worrying.

[BaltimoreGhost]

[quote name='J-man' date='20 September 2009 - 08:51 PM' timestamp='1253497879' post='238943']
I think that people are over reacting to how "good" Sanchez is playing. It's not like he is throwing for 250-300 yards and like 2 TD's. The play of the week on somewhere was like his td pass that wasnt impressive, when you have Ray blowing Sproles up in the backfield to win the game, or the Bears kick to beat Pittsburgh, but instead it's Mark Sanchez throwing a 10 yard touchdown to his single covered wide receiver to take the lead.
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It was actually the Tight end Keller, and it was a very impressive pass if you watch the replay. He threaded it thru traffic. However I completely agree that it wasn't play of the week material. I don't think Ray's hit was either though. My favorite was Cutlers game-winner .

#1 in the afc north.

[tweety]

First mistake from Mattison switching to 4-3, we lost Scott and he made an elementary move. Use our great DT in packages not every down. How about you develop a player to replace Scott, change a player to fit the scheme not the scheme to fit the players.

Next he needs to complex his looks move people around and blitz from different angles. He is letting to much time for a play to develop when the Oline know who exactly to block. I feel like the genius' on this forums could have put better plays together.

We are disappointed with the new defense, we aren't looking for balance we are looking for domination. And Mattison you better know it.

[funky141]

[quote]You hit the nail on the head.

We have the number 1 rush defense, and nearly top 3 in all categories in offense. Our defense may not be pretty right now, but we FINALLY have an offense to make up for it/carry us.

People need to stop worrying. [/quote]

Number 1 run defense because the Ravens can be passed on all day. Just like the Colts had the number 1 pass defense last year because everyone could run on them. Don't let the stats fool you. There is a major problem in the secondary for the Ravens.

Its great that the Ravens can score points and they look like a playoff team but in the palyoffs points become hard to score.

[I AM LEGEND]

let me get this out the way

I MISS REX

however lets really look at this first two games

we shut down both teams in the running department and we were susceptible to big plays through the pass..

guys that was the same way Rex ran this defense..Rex didnt really have great game plans when we faced Peyton Manning all those times.

I think Mattison will get better at finding the right calls to make at the right times...but give him a chance its only his 2nd game.

Even that big Td pass late by rivers when we had 3 Dbs around the guy but they just couldnt get the job done..

i think yesterdays game was solely put on our DB's being out played and not being big enuff to play with those huge Wr's of the chargers.


i think next weeks game will be more of a testament as to what this D will be this year...we can not let the browns go crazy on us.

[jfc13]

Near the end of the Jets game, the announcers said something about Ryan being so smart because he wasn't playing the prevent defense because the only thing it prevented was your team winning. Didn't Ryan have us in prevent all last season at the end of games? Why is he so brilliant now, after we lost games using it under his direction last year?

Eh, whatever. I still think the Ravens defense can be great without Ryan. But before the Jets games, I wasn't sure who I wanted to lose more, Ryan with his attitude or Brady with all the media-love. Turns out I wasn't upset with Ryan winning if it meant the Patriots lost.

[PuRock]

You know what's funny. I remember a lot of games last year, where most of the people on here were pissed at Rex and his style of defense. Thinking that he blitzes to much ineffectively and in return we were getting burned on slant routes. Playing soft in the fourth quarter - especially last drive.

It must have been every close game - where the other team was driving the field - we were cursing Rex Ryan. We were blitzing too much and not getting pressure.

I don't miss Rex Ryan. I believe if he was here, we would have played exactly the same.

The Jets had a pretty decent defense to start with. Young. Anchored by a shut down corner - Revis. Who can compete with tall recievers.

The Chargers did what I thought they would do to our secondary if given the time. We can't match up 1-on-1 with the big guys. And if we're blitzing and not getting effective pressure (which would have occurred as well under Rex Ryan), we're gonna get burned.

[BaltimoreRavens88]

Dude it's only week 2, and I doubt Rex Ryan's defense was one of the best in the NFL as his first season as D-Coordinator, it takes time to get adjusted to the scheme. SD is a playoff-caliber team, and we beat them on the road in their place. Think about it, both of our cornerbacks are previously from AFC west teams(Fabian from OAK, Foxworth from Denver), so I'm sure SD knew their strengths and weaknesses going into the game. All I'm saying is just give it time, let Greg Mattison get his scheme implanted before we go wanting to get rid of him!

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Alexir' date='20 September 2009 - 11:19 PM' timestamp='1253510396' post='239152']
Suggs is overpaid, plain and simple.
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Suggs had 1.5 sacks playing DE the entire game what more do you want him to do? They didnt run on us and he wasnt dropping in coverage so its not like he wasnt doing his job.