Vikings/browns= Ravens/chiefs

[neepo13]

Ok, so the Vikings are supposed to be the same type of team that we are supposed to be, great D/ great running game. They gave up 20 points to the Browns we gave up 24 to Chiefs. Why is that our defense/team is being questioned because the Chiefs suck and they hung around but the Vikings are not drawing the same critism for having the same margin of victory vs the Browns?

I dont get it... I mean dont the Browns suck to? Werent the Vikings supposed to blow the Browns out like we were supposed to blow the Chiefs out?

[RavensClaw52]

I see what you mean. Cant speak for the "arm chair warriors" but I've come to just accept wins regardless of the point/stat margin, theres no 2nd chances.

I used to love gloating about our #1 defense and this and that but I dont care if they are ranked 6th during the season as long as they step up during the playoffs

[Steelerkillers]

I feel you! It's ridiculous man. No Love for the Ravens once again. Im used to it though. Brady, Favre and Peterson are the beloved favorites right now. They're eye candy.

[Moderator 2]

The issues were more special teams miscues then gashed defense, 14 points is not exactly a "close" game. I would much rather have these numbers then and win, then lose 10-9. They score we answer, how long have fans been waiting to see an offense like this?

[Toreno]

As long as we win, I'm perfectly fine with it.

[Ravnet]

We didn't give up 24 points.

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='Moderator 2' date='14 September 2009 - 12:48 AM' timestamp='1252903689' post='234569']
The issues were more special teams miscues then gashed defense, 14 points is not exactly a "close" game. I would much rather have these numbers then and win, then lose 10-9. They score we answer, how long have fans been waiting to see an offense like this?
[/quote]
We,ve been waiting since the team arrived. So, i dont understand what the beef is. If we werent scoring, But shuttin them out until the last 2minutes and lose the game wouldv been the same 'ol complaint. Its hard to please sum people!

[Moderator 2]

Deion just gave Joe some love on NFLN in his PrimeTime segment.

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='Moderator 2' date='14 September 2009 - 01:00 AM' timestamp='1252904413' post='234576']
Deion just gave Joe some love on NFLN in his PrimeTime segment.
[/quote]
Good! im most impressed with his elusiveness in the pocket. Thats a plus!!

[Tonymontana45]

You know our defense wasn't bad at all, we really only gave up 10 big points on defense, the one drive in the fourth and the field goal in the fourth. We can't blame the first touchdown on them that was a special teams mistake and the interception gave them the ball within our ten. So if we cut back on mistakes like that and penalties were a solid team. This week will be the real test when we play another playoff caliber team in the Chargers. If we can put up yards like we did today we can be in good shape, plus a few turnovers wouldn't hurt. Plus it's a good sign that Flacco had career yards and touchdowns in a game, so much for sophomore slump so far.
It also sucks to see a game with no defensive turnovers but oh well.

[darklight1216]

You have to remember that alot of the issues in both games were the special teams. The Ravens have abysmal special teams and the Browns have Josh Cribbs.
We allowed the Browns to score 25 points(?) last year for the same reason.

[quote name='Moderator 2' date='14 September 2009 - 01:00 AM' timestamp='1252904413' post='234576']
Deion just gave Joe some love on NFLN in his PrimeTime segment.
[/quote]
Aww I missed it.

Is anyone else laughing at the fact that Brian Billick was an offensive mastermind and John Harbaugh was a special teams coordinator? Oh, the irony...

[funky141]

The difference is the Browns were not playing with a back up QB and yes the Vikings have a good defense but it doesn't compare to the Ravens' defense. The Ravens gave up 24 points, no matter how they scored, 24 points is 24 points. Kansas City should have been luck to score 9 pts Sunday, let alone 24.

[neepo13]

[quote name='funky141' date='14 September 2009 - 09:32 AM' timestamp='1252935138' post='234634']
The difference is the Browns were not playing with a back up QB and yes the Vikings have a good defense but it doesn't compare to the Ravens' defense. The Ravens gave up 24 points, no matter how they scored, 24 points is 24 points. Kansas City should have been luck to score 9 pts Sunday, let alone 24.
[/quote]
Hmmmmmmmmmmm. You do know that Brodie Croyle has MORE starts under his belt than Brady Quinn. That arguement is null and void buddy. Starter for the Browns or not they were still playing against a bad offensive team with a bad QB and a horrendus running game.

You fail, again.

[itscbm5042]

What makes absolutely no sense is that our defense gave up 10 points, NOT 24.

Our special teams gave up 7 points and our offense gave up 7 points. Our defense allowed 1 TD and 1 FG. And yet, ESPN is already saying we can see the loss of Rex Ryan. The defense gave up 10 points and LJ had under 30 yards rushing!

[lowrider]

Realistically we didn't completely dominate them. But one td was a blocked punt for a td. Another td was a interception taken to the 5 yard line. Which would mean the Chiefs offense only really scored 10 points on us. We held them to 150 yards roughly on offense. We didn't do badly. And I know people say that the Chiefs are terrible but last year they were in a lot of close games but couldn't close it out which is a sign of a young team. I personally thought the Chiefs would be a really improved from last year. And they got a new coach who was the genius that made the Arizona offense go.

I'm not worried about this game. The Ravens defense will wake up to play next time.

[H8R]

[quote name='funky141' date='14 September 2009 - 09:32 AM' timestamp='1252935138' post='234634']
The difference is the Browns were not playing with a back up QB and yes the Vikings have a good defense but it doesn't compare to the Ravens' defense. The Ravens gave up 24 points, no matter how they scored, 24 points is 24 points. Kansas City should have been luck to score 9 pts Sunday, let alone 24.
[/quote]


The Jags held the Colts to 14pts......

[funky141]

[quote]Hmmmmmmmmmmm. You do know that Brodie Croyle has MORE starts under his belt than Brady Quinn. That arguement is null and void buddy. Starter for the Browns or not they were still playing against a [b]bad offensive team[/b] with a bad QB and a horrendus running game.

You fail, again.
[/quote]

How many yards and TDs did AP have again....

There is great expectations this year for the Ravens, I just think people were expecting a better performance from the Ravens.
But a win is a win and thats all that matters.....

[lowrider]

[quote name='funky141' date='14 September 2009 - 11:47 AM' timestamp='1252943258' post='234692']
How many yards and TDs did AP have again....

There is great expectations this year for the Ravens, I just think people were expecting a better performance from the Ravens.
But a win is a win and thats all that matters.....
[/quote]
If the chiefs wouldn't have blocked a punt for a td and returned an interception to the 5 which lead to a td then they would have only scored 10 points. They got a few lucky breaks and the Ravens didn't play spectacular. It wasn't our defense that crumbled. I'll take it. They played very well on a lot of aspects. If they fine tune a few things, then the point margin will be wider.

[YABOY]

a win is a win & our defense will still be great this year & so will our new found offense

[dethdude420]

[quote name='funky141' date='14 September 2009 - 10:47 AM' timestamp='1252943258' post='234692']
How many yards and TDs did AP have again....

There is great expectations this year for the Ravens, I just think people were expecting a better performance from the Ravens.
But a win is a win and thats all that matters.....
[/quote]
How many yards did the Ravens D hold the chiefs to?
How many yards did the Ravens O put on?
I think the Ravens performed just fine, why don't you go to the colts forums instead of trying to start something here?

[Tonymontana45]

Statistically are defense is number two for yards, are defense did all they could they couldn't control the special team error and it's not their fault KC got the ball @ the 10. All in all they had one bad drive it's nothing to worry about. It's there first week all playing together and for a full game. No one but philly and NO looked great so far so it's nothing to worry about yet. Let see how they rebound and if they offense can play that way next week!!

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='funky141' date='14 September 2009 - 11:47 AM' timestamp='1252943258' post='234692']
[b]How many yards and TDs did AP have again....[/b]

There is great expectations this year for the Ravens, I just think people were expecting a better performance from the Ravens.
But a win is a win and thats all that matters.....
[/quote]
The bad offensive team she was referring to was the Browns, not the Vikings; it was just a poorly-phrased sentence.

Regardless, the score wasn't indicative of the performance of the Ravens, as many have pointed out before me. Even you, as a Colts fan, would know that the score can be misleading; wasn't Peyton Manning having a great game against the Jags despite the two-point spread in the end?

And given the Ravens' 500 offensive yards and holding the Chiefs to under 200 yards of offense and Larry Johnson to only 29 yards rushing, how much better could the performance have been? Sure, the special teams could've been shored up, and there are plenty of mistakes to fix, but the overall performance was indicative of a dominant team game played by the Ravens.

[dethdude420]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='14 September 2009 - 11:34 AM' timestamp='1252946072' post='234733']


And given the Ravens' 500 offensive yards and holding the Chiefs to under 200 yards of offense and Larry Johnson to only 29 yards rushing, how much better could the performance have been? Sure, the special teams could've been shored up, and there are plenty of mistakes to fix, but the overall performance was indicative of a dominant team game played by the Ravens.
[/quote]
thats exactly what I was trying to say

[Ranger275]

What does the Ravens game have to do with the Vikings game? The Vikes have Fagvre, whom the media cannot stop kissing. The Vikings also have one of the most dominant running backs in recent history, who did some amazing things. It's no surprise that they got a lot of attention. The points they gave up? Seven were to Cribbs on a punt return, seven were garbage points in garbage time once the game was well out of reach.

Flacco was the mad bomber yesterday, the running backs looked amazing and the defense did better than idiots in the media will give them credit for. Just be happy B-more "whooped that trick".

[neepo13]

[quote name='funky141' date='14 September 2009 - 11:47 AM' timestamp='1252943258' post='234692']
How many yards and TDs did AP have again....

There is great expectations this year for the Ravens, I just think people were expecting a better performance from the Ravens.
But a win is a win and thats all that matters.....
[/quote]
You highlighted "bad offensive team"... Are you trying to tell me that the Browns are not a bad offensive team?

[mhead66]

This thread is silly. You can't draw projected statistical conclusions for a season, after one week's games.

The Ravens gave up 24 points - but like many have stated, 14 of those points have an asterisk. The Defense gave up 10 points.

If you wish to draw conclusions, are you willing to call the Panthers the #1 pass D, even though they lost by 28 points, because that is their current statistical rank? The Browns are the #3 pass D, and they lost by 14. The Cardinals are the #1 rush D, and they lost.

Conclusions about a team's long-term ability, based on single game stat projections, is a waste of time.