Patriots De Richard Seymour Traded To The Raiders (Merged)

[BloodRaven]

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

Wow, the Raiders finally get something in return for a 1st rounder.

[Bullrush]

Good job by the Pats. Seymour is not worth an early 1st round pick at the age of 30. He's still one of the best 3-4 Ends in the league, though.

[theFRANCHISE]

Here's the [url="http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/3799004157"]direct link[/url] to the tweet by Adam Schefter.

Man, talk about a reach, though. A 1st-round pick for a 29-year-old DE with a recurring knee injury? Sure, he's coming off an 8-sack season, but that's pretty underwhelming compared to other, younger guys getting double-digit sacks ahead of him. Definitely not worth a 1st-round pick.

[Sizzle]

I think the deal was good for both teams.

[BloodRaven]

The funny thing about it is Seymour will be 32 by the time the Pats use that draft pick (which in all honesty is probably going to be the 1st)

[ravensalways]

It is most likely a top ten pick(I don't see the raiders improving in the next 2 seasons), patriots won out on this trade, But then again who doesn't win trades against the raiders?

[BloodRaven]

Oops: Freudian slip nice looking out Franchise

[Purple Punishment]

As the Pats usually do, they will probably trade that this year for 2 picks in 2010

[Purple Punishment]

Does anyone think how absurd it is around the league what the Pats get away with in trades? The get so much out of meaningless trades. They got Randy Moss for a 4th and now a 1st for an aging D lineman. They have the Raiders for suckers 2 times now!

[REEDrulesall]

That poor Richard Seymour. He must be feeling so betrayed right now, possibly having to spend the rest of his career with Crazy Al. But of course, nobody should be surprised, since the Patriots did pretty much the same thing with Vrabel a few months ago, and Burgess made Seymour expendable. Belichick must be laughing like crazy right now, he just got what may be the #1 overall draft pick next year for an old guy.

[H8R]

The pick will be traded, NE wil have salary cap issues with an early first round pick. 2 seconds and a later 4-5th pick would be the asking price.

[GermanRavensFan]

I hate to when good players are traded to or signed by the Raiders.

Every single great player has failed in Oakland the last few years.

DeAngelo Hall, Gallery, Gibril Wilson, Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Derrick Burgess...

[BlindSide]

New England traded five-time Pro Bowl defensive end Richard Seymour to the Oakland Raiders for a 2011 first-round pick, the Patriots announced Sunday.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/09/06/patriots-trade-seymour-to-raiders-for-first-round-pick/

[J-man]

How do that Pats always get bargains like this. Richard Seymour in my book, is only worth a 2nd rounder at most. I guess the Raiders are that desperate for a big name player. And with the Raiders first rounder, that could be a top ten pick. THe Pats know how yo get deals from teh Raiders. A 4th rounder for Randy Moss, now Richard Seymour with a 1st. I wish the Ravens could start doing this, getting bargain deals for washed up players.

[Bltravens]

Does anybody else feel that this just opens the door for the running game against the pats even moreso now?

[mhead66]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='06 September 2009 - 02:40 PM' timestamp='1252262449' post='230187']
Does anybody else feel that this just opens the door for the running game against the pats even moreso now?
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Not really, I think Seymour is like Dwight Freeney from the Colts. Freeney is a liability vs. the run, teams let him rush upfield to the outside, and run at the slot he vacated. Freeney had 28 tackles and 10.5 sacks last year, he's a one-trick pony. Seymour is similar, not AS bad vs. the run, but no doubt, the Raiders got completely robbed in this trade. NE gets a high 1st rounder, and Oakland gets an aging, pass rushing specialist that missed half of '07 with injuries...

[Bltravens]

Well Seymour is your prototypical 3-4 DE, teams that run 3-4s look for Seymours in the draft. Seymour is alot better at holding the point of attack against OL than Freeney will ever be, obviously he isnt in his prime but he was a key contributer to the pats front 3. With Seymour they were able to rotate Jarvis Green into the mix,now hes the starter and who do they have behind him?

[mhead66]

The best part of this trade is that Seymour is an unrestricted FA after this season, so he could literally resign with the Patriots before they use the 1st rounder they stole from the Raiders for him...

[PuRock]

Patriots got a great long-term deal here. Seymour was a great player for them. It's sort of like us giving up Kelly Gregg. In the short view, it would suck. But in the long run, another first round pick can go a long way.

Plus Raiders stink. Watch the Patriots end up with the #1 overall pick. That would be just their luck. They seem to do this every year. Trade away a veteran to a struggling team for a first round pick. This has always been a great ploy of theirs.

A side question for everybody? Would you give up a 30-year-old(hypothetically) Kelly Gregg for a 1st round pick?

It's easy to say the Patriots got the better end of the deal. But it's tough to give up a key cog.

[mhead66]

[quote name='PuRock' date='06 September 2009 - 10:11 PM' timestamp='1252289511' post='230323']
Patriots got a great long-term deal here. Seymour was a great player for them. It's sort of like us giving up Kelly Gregg. In the short view, it would suck. But in the long run, another first round pick can go a long way.

Plus Raiders stink. Watch the Patriots end up with the #1 overall pick. That would be just their luck. They seem to do this every year. Trade away a veteran to a struggling team for a first round pick. This has always been a great ploy of theirs.

[b]A side question for everybody? Would you give up a 30-year-old(hypothetically) Kelly Gregg for a 1st round pick?[/b]

It's easy to say the Patriots got the better end of the deal. But it's tough to give up a key cog.
[/quote]
If it was to a team like the Raiders - and, possibly a #1 pick - in a hot second.

Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis, Chris McAlister, Ed Reed, Todd Heap, Terrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata, and Joe Flacco were 1st round picks.

Kelly Gregg has been a valuable player, but the difference between starting him and starting Justin Bannan + gaining one of the players I listed...

In other words, would you trade 30 year old Kelly Gregg for 22 year old Jonathan Ogden?

Oh, yeah...

[neepo13]

Undead Al must think, he owns the Pats and not the Raiders. The Pats are screwing them with no grease in every trade. First, Moss and Burgess for 4th round picks. And then they turn around and get the Raiders to give up a 1st round pick for a 30+ year old DE, who's in the last year of his deal- If I am not mistaken. Thats going to be a wasted pick if Seymour starts to show signs of aging OR they fail to get him resigned. So, in all likely hood its a wasted pick.

EDIT

Unless, the Raiders are 3-4 end away from the Superbowl... Anybody believe that?

Didnt think so.

[mhead66]

[quote name='neepo13' date='06 September 2009 - 10:34 PM' timestamp='1252290899' post='230328']
Undead Al must think, he owns the Pats and not the Raiders. The Pats are screwing them with no grease in every trade. First, Moss and Burgess for 4th round picks. And then they turn around and get the Raiders to give up a 1st round pick for a 30+ year old DE, who's in the last year of his deal- If I am not mistaken. Thats going to be a wasted pick if Seymour starts to show signs of aging OR they fail to get him resigned. So, in all likely hood its a wasted pick.

EDIT

Unless, the Raiders are 3-4 end away from the Superbowl... Anybody believe that?

Didnt think so.
[/quote]
When you consider the horrid Raider draft (DHB at #7, Mike Mitchell in the 2nd, who wasn't even on some teams' draft boards) and these trade debacles, I'm starting to wonder if the NFL is going to step in and intervene. Some cultic personality has Al in a mind-control net, and is using him to...

... wait a minute...

Belicheat! I knew it!

I have to go to the Oakland's forums, and see how Raider nation is loving this bone-headed move...

Al is destroying his once proud franchise - and, after successfully suing the NFL for the Oakland-L.A.-Oakland move, I believe 31 other owners are snickering today.

[mhead66]

Maybe the Raider fans are as crazy as old Al...

Most of their forum members think it was a great trade:

http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/oakland-raiders-forum-message-board/154638-richard-seymour-being-traded-raiders-omg-merge.html

Mass insanity.

[Bltravens]

Man they are seriously loving life over there in that forum, what are the odds Seymour doesnt resign this year and they are forced to slap the franchise tag on him lol.

[YYZ66]

[quote name='mhead66' date='07 September 2009 - 12:14 AM' timestamp='1252293299' post='230341']
Maybe the Raider fans are as crazy as old Al...

Most of their forum members think it was a great trade:

http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/oakland-raiders-forum-message-board/154638-richard-seymour-being-traded-raiders-omg-merge.html

Mass insanity.
[/quote]

Guess their fans are as clueless as Al. Trade an aging DE in the last year of his contract for a guaranteed top 5 pick. Ay carumba!

[BloodRaven]

Well... at least Al Davis can't blow the pick on a 4.3 punter.

[J-man]

[quote name='mhead66' date='06 September 2009 - 11:14 PM' timestamp='1252293299' post='230341']
Maybe the Raider fans are as crazy as old Al...

Most of their forum members think it was a great trade:

http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/oakland-raiders-forum-message-board/154638-richard-seymour-being-traded-raiders-omg-merge.html

Mass insanity.
[/quote]

Funny Quotes by Raider fans

[quote]The only thing is the 1st rd pick. But hopefully we are improved in 2010 so it wont be too high a pick in 2011. He should be able to help against the run.[/quote]
Haha, the Raiders won't be improved next year. And for run defense, how many good runs stoppers does teams like the Ravens, Steelers, and Vikings have, like 5-6, not 1

[quote]That's how we do it in Oaktown baby. We're back, done... Raiders are back[/quote]
The Raiders are back to getting washed up players for 1st round picks?

[quote]THIS IS WHAT THIS DEFENSE WAS MISSING!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]
And about 10 other players

[quote]hahahahaha!! Dude, I rippppped right now... best news ever.[/quote]
Better then seeing your team win a Superbowl?

[mhead66]

PFT is saying that Seymour is pissed about being traded... and speculating that he may not report.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/07/what-is-richard-seymour-doesnt-show-in-oakland/

[theFRANCHISE]

I wouldn't blame him for not reporting. Most times, I'd encourage professionalism, but when it comes to anything involving Al Davis and the Raiders, professionalism is already thrown out the window.

[mhead66]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='07 September 2009 - 11:10 AM' timestamp='1252336216' post='230474']
I wouldn't blame him for not reporting. Most times, I'd encourage professionalism, but when it comes to anything involving Al Davis and the Raiders, professionalism is already thrown out the window.
[/quote]
I hear ya' - can you imagine going from the SB contending Pats to the trainwreck that is Oakland... I'll bet he got good & drunk when he heard the news...