Kelly Washington

[I*Bleed*Purple]

Demetrius Williams has done nothing this preseason to excite me. I think the Ravens have found a good combo with Mason and Washington getting the bulk of the WR looks, with Clayton as the speedster. To me Clayton has proved to be too inconsistent. Washington feels like a younger more energetic Mason IMO. And they both catch everything!

[MagicianCamille]

Whether he's in the slot or at the #2 position, I just know he's going to be a big part of this offense this year. I really hope we can find a way to use Clayton more effectively though, even if it means putting him in the slot and running more trick plays.

[flynismo]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' date='01 September 2009 - 11:39 PM' timestamp='1251862796' post='227880']
Whether he's in the slot or at the #2 position, I just know he's going to be a big part of this offense this year. I really hope we can find a way to use Clayton more effectively though, even if it means putting him in the slot and running more trick plays.
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I'd love to see that happen (not just because it means Clayton gets demoted, haha), but I think he'd tear it up in the slot, and he's shown he can be effective with the trick plays.

[Ranger275]

He should at least be the designated end zone celebrator for the team.

[BloodRaven]

I know hes got a few dirty crackback blocks in him.

[charlie cash]

wASHINGTON IS A great number 3 if clayton or mason go down he can step in and produce....But Clayton and Mason are 1 and 2....I am excited to see are offense this year!!!

[neepo13]

Wow. Its pretty disappointing to see you guys writing Dwill off so soon and for a guy who, even with all Williams injury troubles, he still got twice as many catchs and double the yards of. Washington has made his share of plays but he's also dropped as many passes as Harper and more then Dwill. Dwill isnt making the plays because he's not getting the ball, plain and simple. Throw him the ball and I have no doubt that he could make the plays. I honestly dont think Washington has leap frogged Williams on the depth chart. I think its a case of Washington being the best of the rest behind Mason, Clayton, and Williams, and our coaching staff wants to do some further evaluation on him.

The other thing is this is the preseason. Preseason production does not neccessarily translate to a guy being able to produce when the season is on the line. So, for that reason alone, I think its best to save the anointment and wait and see what he does in the regular season.

[mhead66]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='02 September 2009 - 09:03 AM' timestamp='1251896583' post='227944']
I know hes got a few dirty crackback blocks in him.
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Are you predicting he's HOF material like Brett?









j/k

[MtGosu]

I definitely like Kelley as a 3rd string maybe mixing him and a healthy D.Will up both have size Kelley has power where D.Will has speed. I think Kelley's past numbers are not amazing because lets face it he was one the Bengals behind Ochocinco,Housh, and Henry then went to Pats behind Moss, Welker, and at one point Stallworth so those are stacked teams i think this will be the first time he gets a chance to shine and i think he's going to have his best career year if he gets the chance!

[neepo13]

[quote name='MtGosu' date='03 September 2009 - 02:39 PM' timestamp='1252003187' post='228414']
I definitely like Kelley as a 3rd string maybe mixing him and a healthy D.Will up both have size Kelley has power where D.Will has speed. [b]I think Kelley's past numbers are not amazing because lets face it he was one the Bengals behind Ochocinco,Housh, and Henry then went to Pats behind Moss, Welker, and at one point Stallworth so those are stacked teams i think this will be the first time he gets a chance to shine and i think he's going to have his best career year if he gets the chance![/b][/quote]

I think thats b.s. especially considering his time in Cinci. He had as much a shot at being the number 2 guy in Cinci as Houshmanzadeh, a 7th round draft pick who was only in the league one year longer then Washington. Its not like Henry and Houshmanzadeh had already established themselves as the other go to guys on that team and Washington just didnt get a fair shot. No, he had his shot and he couldnt beat them out. He was there BEFORE Chris Henry, and Housh was only in his second year when Washington was in his rookie season.

The same is true for his time in New England. Wes Welker wasnt exactly an established guy when he first got to NE either. Stallworth and Moss were but he still couldnt even beat out freaking Jabar Gaffney for their number 4 wideout spot. Its not that they were already there and established. Welker and Gaffney went to NE at the same time as Washington, Gaffney may have been there the year before, he had his shot to atleast take the 3rd or 4th spot and he couldnt beat them out.

If he was the type of guy that you guys seem to think he is someone would have discovered it by now, prehaps Tom Brady and BB- they did turn David Givens into a superstar. He'll be decent depth and nothing more. Stop trying to make this guy seem like he's some sort of upgrade over Clayton and Williams.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='ravensfan160' date='31 August 2009 - 01:22 PM' timestamp='1251739368' post='227384']
Kelley won't leapfrog both Clayton and Williams unless they are both injured (which lets face it is a possibility). I don't think he has great speed so he is a better fit on the inside as opposed to the outside. I like him as our 3rd or 4th receiver out of the slot.
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In just the Pre-Season what would lead you to believe that D. Williams is a better WR or has even played to the level of Kelley Washington. People keep discounting his valued based on what he has be able to do on other teams (Bengals and Pats), from what I see him can play the #2 spot on # WR sets with M. Clayton in the slot as well as rotating with Clayton in the #2 spot.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='neepo13' date='03 September 2009 - 10:51 AM' timestamp='1251993107' post='228338']
Dwill isnt making the plays because he's not getting the ball, plain and simple.
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Maybe because he sucks at route running? I'm tired of people using the whole "he's not getting the ball!" excuse. It's funny that our slowest receiver is typically the most open. That's called route running. I don't believe Joe plays favorites, he just knows that he has Mason whenever he wants. I was hyped up on DWill before preseason, but eh. Another average WR that is of no signifigance to anyone outside of the Ravens fanbase (think Mark Clayton). Speed isn't all there is to being a WR, just ask Al Davis lol

[bce086]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' date='03 September 2009 - 05:32 PM' timestamp='1252013530' post='228463']
Speed isn't all there is to being a WR, just ask Al Davis lol
[/quote]

I wouldn't ask Al Davis... he still isn't convinced there is more to a receiver than speed made evident by reaching so far for DHB. But hey, this could turn out to be the #1 steal of the draft or the bust of the draft.

[neepo13]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' date='03 September 2009 - 04:32 PM' timestamp='1252013530' post='228463']
Maybe because he sucks at route running? I'm tired of people using the whole "he's not getting the ball!" excuse. It's funny that our slowest receiver is typically the most open. That's called route running. I don't believe Joe plays favorites, he just knows that he has Mason whenever he wants. I was hyped up on DWill before preseason, but eh. Another average WR that is of no signifigance to anyone outside of the Ravens fanbase (think Mark Clayton). Speed isn't all there is to being a WR, just ask Al Davis lol
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OR maybe the QB just isnt looking his way. Williams can get open and has nothing to do with his speed. And even if he doesnt get wide open, Williams isnt a bad jump ball wr.

[quote]Overlooked in that sequence following the delay of game, was Joe Flacco missing a wide open Demetrius Williams running a slant from the left slot. Williams read the blitz – Flacco did not and was subsequently sacked. When they look at the tape of this one, the second year signal caller will see that he blew a chance for an easy score. [/quote]

http://www.profootball24x7.com/column_view.php?cid=13&id=3752&view=archive

I disagree that the QB's are not playing favorites in the preseason. Its not neccessarily playing favorites like T.O claimed Romo was doing but I've said before I believe the Cameron is calling plays to get the ball to specific guys, thats the only way the team can evaluate them in a real game situation.

[Ravens Lover]

I really like him, he has great intensity and has all the skills you look for in a wide reciever.

[neepo13]

So uh, Dwill is playing with the Ravens 2nd team vs the Falcons 1st team, he's been thrown to 4 times has 3 cacthes- all for first downs and has drawn an interference call. So, now does he really suck or is he just not getting the ball? I think the answer's obvious.

[BuckWilds]

Williams and Washington will both make the squad so time will tell who's got the Motts.

[flynismo]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' date='03 September 2009 - 05:32 PM' timestamp='1252013530' post='228463']
Maybe because he sucks at route running? I'm tired of people using the whole "he's not getting the ball!" excuse. It's funny that our slowest receiver is typically the most open. That's called route running. I don't believe Joe plays favorites, he just knows that he has Mason whenever he wants. I was hyped up on DWill before preseason, but eh. Another average WR that is of no signifigance to anyone outside of the Ravens fanbase (think Mark Clayton). Speed isn't all there is to being a WR, just ask Al Davis lol
[/quote]

eh, you're getting him confused w/ Clayton; everyone says Clayton doesnt get the ball enough (even though he had 83 passes thrown his way last year and didnt even catch half of them).
Demetrius really does have a truckload of potential; it's simply a matter of staying healthy and getting a consistent workload in order to bring it out.
You're right, he isn't the greatest route runner (actually, it kinda sucks), but he makes up for it in other ways.
And he really isn't all that fast...think he ran high .40's or low .50's.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='03 September 2009 - 08:43 PM' timestamp='1252025035' post='228697']
Williams and Washington will both make the squad so time will tell who's got the Motts.
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They can both contribute something and they will but you wouldnt gather that by reading the first 2 pages of this thread. Folks in this thread are talking about Washington like he's the answer to all our problems and throwing Dwill, and even Clayton at times, under the bus for no real reason. When Washington isnt an upgrade over either of them.

[Bazooka Joe]

The fact that Kelley didn't play tonight and Demetrius did tells me that Kelley has won a top three spot. He is likely the starter opposite Mason with Clayton as the 3rd. Williams is the 4th WR, but I see us running a lot of four receiver sets, so he'll get his chances.

Kelley Washington will be this year's breakout Raven. We'll then have to either extend him or tag him. (Okay I'm jumping the gun, but this guy excites me).

He is only 29 and has low milage, so we can get another 5 years out of him.

My predicted numbers for Kelley Washington.

Rec. 65
Yds. 900
Tds. 6
Dances. 32. LOL!!!!

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='neepo13' date='03 September 2009 - 07:58 PM' timestamp='1252022334' post='228569']
So uh, Dwill is playing with the Ravens 2nd team vs the Falcons 1st team, he's been thrown to 4 times has 3 cacthes- all for first downs and has drawn an interference call. So, now does he really suck or is he just not getting the ball? I think the answer's obvious.
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Demetrius definitely does not suck. His issue is durability. Can he stay healthy? This is what relegates him to the 4th WR spot. What is interesting is that none of our WRs are signed beyond this year.

Without a new CBA, Clayton and Williams would be RFAs, though, so we'd still have them under control.

Washington is someone that could be either tagged or extended for cheap during the season.


Mason will retire after this season. Bank on that.

[travis]

He would probably be a better player at the 3rd position cause he is more of a posession reciever then speek dwill should be the back up for clayton

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='neepo13' date='03 September 2009 - 09:15 PM' timestamp='1252026902' post='228757']
They can both contribute something and they will but you wouldnt gather that by reading the first 2 pages of this thread. Folks in this thread are talking about Washington like he's the answer to all our problems and throwing Dwill, and even Clayton at times, under the bus for no real reason. When Washington isnt an upgrade over either of them.
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What would you call a upgrade at WR for the Raven's? To me K. Washington brings attitude to the WR position for the Raven's. I could see him blasting defenders on run plays and I like his enthusiasm for the game.

[WhatsOURnameRAVENS]

DWill clearly solidified his roster spot. I'd venture to say Mason/Washington/Clayton/Williams in that order. But on Washington's big catch vs. Carolina, you could see his lack of speed. Flacco just threw a perfect ball and Washington made sure he at least caught it. If that was DWill, he would of burned coverage for a TD.

Ultimately I like to see Washington more in the slot, simply because he is clearly more durable. If DWill stays healthy I see alot of him on the 9 route deep. Clayton and Mason running the medium routes. Clayton's route running has been much better of late thanks to Mason.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Marc2k6' date='04 September 2009 - 07:46 AM' timestamp='1252064812' post='229077']
What would you call a upgrade at WR for the Raven's? To me K. Washington brings attitude to the WR position for the Raven's. I could see him blasting defenders on run plays and I like his enthusiasm for the game.
[/quote]

He doesnt have a better skill set then either of them. He's not faster then either of them, he doesnt have better hands then either of them, and his route running is not better then Claytons. An upgrade would do those things better then the guys already here.

To me, Washington looks like a 15 yard unsportsman like conduct penalty waiting to happen. Its one thing to be confident and enthusiastic but I really dont like the over celebration.

I am going to book mark this thread because I want to see if all of you are still singing his praises, IF he doesnt pan out in the regular season. I mean really people are talking about this guy as a potential franchise tag candidate based off his preseason performance. You'd think he had played well enough to overtake Mason for the number 1 spot or atleast scored a TD. When he really hasnt done anything to seperate himself from Clayton or Williams, because he's dropped as many passes as he caught.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='neepo13' date='04 September 2009 - 12:29 PM' timestamp='1252081783' post='229142']


I am going to book mark this thread because I want to see if all of you are still singing his praises, IF he doesnt pan out in the regular season. I mean really people are talking about this guy as a potential franchise tag candidate based off his preseason performance. You'd think he had played well enough to overtake Mason for the number 1 spot or atleast scored a TD. When he really hasnt done anything to seperate himself from Clayton or Williams, because he's dropped as many passes as he caught.
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There is no need to hype him up based on a few pre-season games but he has been impressive for a player who most people only saw as special teams fodder. Up until last night, he had separated himself from Demetrius. Demetrius had done very little whiles Washington had made first-down catches with regularity in all three games.

You're wrong about him dropping as many passes as he's caught though. Other than the jump-ball he had ripped from his hands against the Jets, he's caught every ball thrown his way.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='04 September 2009 - 12:40 PM' timestamp='1252082449' post='229145']
There is no need to hype him up based on a few pre-season games but he has been impressive for a player who most people only saw as special teams fodder. Up until last night, he had separated himself from Demetrius. Demetrius had done very little whiles Washington had made first-down catches with regularity in all three games.

You're wrong about him dropping as many passes as he's caught though. Other than the jump-ball he had ripped from his hands against the Jets, he's caught every ball thrown his way.
[/quote]
I'm not sure about the pass dropping, I must have missed that. D. Mason is not the fasest WR on the team, that would be Y. Figures and what has his speed done for him as a WR? Nothing! It is not about how fast you are but maybe nowing more of when to be fast. K. Washington has exceeded my expectations so far in pre-season, I do not know how that will translate into the season but I hope it is positive for the Raven's. So Neepo please bookmark this post and I will do the same.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' date='04 September 2009 - 12:40 PM' timestamp='1252082449' post='229145']
There is no need to hype him up based on a few pre-season games but he has been impressive for a player who most people only saw as special teams fodder. Up until last night, he had separated himself from Demetrius. Demetrius had done very little whiles Washington had made first-down catches with regularity in all three games.

You're wrong about him dropping as many passes as he's caught though. Other than the jump-ball he had ripped from his hands against the Jets, he's caught every ball thrown his way.
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Washington has atleast 4 drops this preseason. He had 2 vs NY, including a TD, 1 vs Carolina, and 1 vs. the Redskins.

Pre-season stats

Williams- 11 catches 151 yards
Washington- 6 catches for 95 yards

Take away the 4 grabs Williams had last night and he's running neck and neck with Washington with less playing time in the first 3 preseason games. I'd hardly call 1 less catch then Williams "seperating himself" from Williams but whatever floats your boat.

The only reason Washington stood out more than Williams is because he was catching passes from Flacco and Williams was mostly getting them from Smith.

But everybody wants to throw Dwill under the bus, like he hasnt produced and when he's actually done as much as Washington. So, why is Washington so worthy of all this praise and Dwill deserves to get talked about like he should be on the practice squad? The stats are there, in the first 3 games there isnt that big of a difference between the two but yet one's being crowned a savior and the other is being hung out to dry. WHY?

[neepo13]

[quote name='Marc2k6' date='04 September 2009 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1252083469' post='229151']
[b]I'm not sure about the pass dropping, I must have missed that.[/b] D. Mason is not the fasest WR on the team, that would be Y. Figures and what has his speed done for him as a WR? Nothing! It is not about how fast you are but maybe nowing more of when to be fast. K. Washington has exceeded my expectations so far in pre-season, I do not know how that will translate into the season but I hope it is positive for the Raven's. [b]So Neepo please bookmark this post and I will do the same.[/b][/quote]
Or maybe you just have a short memory... Already bookmarked babe, I did that when I said I would.