Sanchez Named Starting Qb

[PuRock]

The Jets have named Sanchez their permanent starter despite the horrific game he had against us. I guess that one TD gave them enough tingles to feel good about themselves.

My prediction right now. Sanchez will not be a winning rookie QB. They are in for a long season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4423136

[theFRANCHISE]

Just because of that, Mark Sanchez is now on my crap list (to use a euphemism.) He's done nothing to the Ravens or myself personally, but now I just plain dislike him because he did nothing to earn that job. Only 16 games as a starter at arguably the most talent-laden school in the NCAA? [i]That[/i] gets him a huge payday as the 5th overall selection in the NFL draft?

For all the good that he may have done for his community and all the hope that he may have brought the Jets, he's done absolutely nothing to justify getting that starting job, even by default. And for everyone to suck up to him while Joe Flacco got moderate credit for simply playing [i]smart[/i], irks me to no end.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='26 August 2009 - 09:42 AM' timestamp='1251294130' post='224784']
Just because of that, Mark Sanchez is now on my crap list (to use a euphemism.) He's done nothing to the Ravens or myself personally, but now I just plain dislike him because he did nothing to earn that job. Only 16 games as a starter at arguably the most talent-laden school in the NCAA? [i]That[/i] gets him a huge payday as the 5th overall selection in the NFL draft?

For all the good that he may have done for his community and all the hope that he may have brought the Jets, he's done absolutely nothing to justify getting that starting job, even by default. And for everyone to suck up to him while Joe Flacco got moderate credit for simply playing [i]smart[/i], irks me to no end.
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I understand what your saying, I pretty much have the same feeling, and I know our situation was different going in (seeing as it was a different sort of process of elimination) but we gotta remember that flacco wasn't perfect in preseason either when he was a rookie... but no I agree w/ what your saying, the other QB's they have didn't get sick or injured, and after watching the other night... the competition should be at least on going

plus..... what is rex basing it off..... I mean sanchez threw for the least amount of yards last night.... and had the least completions
sanchez had a 37.5% completion rating with 14.3 yards per completion had a TD & Int
clemens had a 50% completion rating with 12 yards per completion, had a TD & Int
ainge had a 50% completion rating with 8.1 yards per completion, no TD, no Int

[J-man]

I hope he doesn't do well. I hate USC guys, think they can come in this league and dominate, all cocky and the media loves them, I hate them.

[darklight1216]

What a suprise; I would never have guessed this.

[jfc13]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='26 August 2009 - 10:01 AM' timestamp='1251295262' post='224793']
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plus..... what is rex basing it off..... [/quote]
Rex is basing it on Flacco's success.

Seriously, I'm starting to think that Rex is so obsessed with the Ravens and his part in their success last season, that he thinks if he does everything the same, the Jets will duplicate the results. The problem is: he can run the same defensive plays, but he doesn't have Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, et.al., to execute them; he can start his rookie quarterback, but that doesn't mean he'll have the poise that Flacco does.

Rex needs to look at the long-term and build his team based on the talent he has, not the talent he left.

[berad]

[quote name='jfc13' date='26 August 2009 - 11:12 AM' timestamp='1251299550' post='224833']
Rex is basing it on Flacco's success.

Seriously, I'm starting to think that Rex is so obsessed with the Ravens and his part in their success last season, that he thinks if he does everything the same, the Jets will duplicate the results. The problem is: he can run the same defensive plays, but he doesn't have Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, et.al., to execute them; he can start his rookie quarterback, but that doesn't mean he'll have the poise that Flacco does.

[b]Rex needs to look at the long-term and build his team based on the talent he has, not the talent he left.[/b]
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Oooh, that was harsh haha +1

[Wacco4Flacco]

Rex is thinking the same way Harbaugh was thinking starting Joe Flacco last year. Rex thinks Sanchez will move the Jets the same way Flacco did with Ravens,,Sorry Rex its not happening.

[Wacko4JoeFlacco]

The jets are thinking that he is going to be their long term franchise quarterback. I'm choosing not to say anything bad about sanchez yet, ive seen him play once and that was against our defense which you can't expect much from a quarterback against Baltimore. He has the potential to become a good quarterback, though he didn't really earn his starting job, im curious to what he will do in the regular season.

[Purple Pain]

He will be done after a few games. He has to face the Patriots Week 2

[Sub-Zero]

why so mad Fran? getting selected 5th after only starting 16 games in college has got to be one of the greatest things in the world!

but it doesn't matter anyways, if they want to play ring around the rosie with their QB's and screw up their season thats fine with me, thats one less AFC team to worry about

[Wacco4Flacco]

FYI the Dolphins are getting better. Jets could run into Problems vs Miami. They could still beat the Bills though even with T-O there.

[J-man]

Why exactly does ESPN thinks he's a prophet when he threw a touchdown to a running back who was covered by a second string linebacker?

[Mishel]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='26 August 2009 - 09:42 AM' timestamp='1251294130' post='224784']
Just because of that, Mark Sanchez is now on my crap list (to use a euphemism.) He's done nothing to the Ravens or myself personally, but now I just plain dislike him because he did nothing to earn that job. Only 16 games as a starter at arguably the most talent-laden school in the NCAA? [i]That[/i] gets him a huge payday as the 5th overall selection in the NFL draft?

For all the good that he may have done for his community and all the hope that he may have brought the Jets, he's done absolutely nothing to justify getting that starting job, even by default. And for everyone to suck up to him while Joe Flacco got moderate credit for simply playing [i]smart[/i], irks me to no end.
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Im gonna agree with you. I thought Rex said before our game that going against our STARTING defense would be a good way for them to access Sanchez and what he brings to the table. Against our starting defense what did he bring to the table? His first pass was a pick for a touchdown and his second could've gone the same way, had Ray not dropped it. He wasn't able to "move the ball" (as the ESPN analysts keep mentioning) until Reed, Lewis, and a few other key players were out of the game. Everyone is leaving out that key part of the mix when they are saying how he "turned it around" and rebounded with a touchdown. Sanchez is not Joe Flacco and Rex/NY are missing key components they need to have a rookie head coach/qb season like we did last year.

[J-man]

[quote name='Mishel' date='26 August 2009 - 05:30 PM' timestamp='1251322213' post='225057']
Sanchez is not Joe Flacco and Rex/NY are missing key components they need to have a rookie head coach/qb season like we did last year.
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Like a five defense and an excellent running game?

[JO_75]

[quote name='J-man' date='26 August 2009 - 05:26 PM' timestamp='1251322000' post='225052']
Why exactly does ESPN thinks he's a prophet when he threw a touchdown to a running back who was covered by a second string linebacker?
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I know, they drool over him like he is the next big thing to play football in a while. The media thinks just because Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco had success last year that Sanchez and Stafford will be successful. Everytime someone brings up "Joe and Matt had success as rookies, can Sanchez and Stafford do the same?" I scream at my tv and go NO!!! Matt and Joe are something special. Those two have the "IT" factor. Those two are the best QBs to come around since Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. If It wasn't for Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy coming next year, I would say Joe and Matt are going to be the best QBs to come around for a while.

Sanchez will not be as successful as Joe or Matt. I have a feeling Sanchez and Stafford will both be benched(Stafford this year if Culpepper does very well in pre-season and performs well) just like Leinart and Young.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I think he'll work out to be better than Clemens, so probably the right decision. I mean you would rather have some growing pains and have him more ready for the later season run than play Clemens, have Clemens fail and chuck Sanchez in there for the stretch run.

[LilyRaven]

[quote name='jfc13' date='26 August 2009 - 11:12 AM' timestamp='1251299550' post='224833']
Rex is basing it on Flacco's success. [/quote]




You know, last time I checked Rex was not the offensive coordinator last season. In fact, if I had to pick someone to credit with Flacco's success other than Flacco himself, it wouldn't be Rex. I'm sure he had some input but that credit would have to go to Coach Cam who most assuredly is NOT working with Mark Sanchez.

I wish them well but I just don't see it.

[jfc13]

[quote name='LilyRaven' date='27 August 2009 - 03:49 AM' timestamp='1251359358' post='225338']
You know, last time I checked Rex was not the offensive coordinator last season. In fact, if I had to pick someone to credit with Flacco's success other than Flacco himself, it wouldn't be Rex. I'm sure he had some input but that credit would have to go to Coach Cam who most assuredly is NOT working with Mark Sanchez.

I wish them well but I just don't see it.
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Oh, I totally agree. Besides Cam, I would add Harbaugh, Hue Jackson and even Kyle Boller as having more of an impact on Flacco's growth and success than Rex. Actually, I would add everyone on the offensive side of the ball, since they worked with him on a regular basis.

This isn't a knock against Rex, because it wasn't his job, but he seems to want to take a bulk of the credit [either through his own comments about "knowing" to start Flacco before the decision was made and through his proxy, Bart, who said Rex ran the team last year.]

However, all that aside, I'm not sure Sanchez will be the failure some people here seem to think he will be. I need to see more. Flacco had a shaky start, too. Sanchez doesn't seem to have the calm poise that Flacco did, even from the start, but that doesn't mean he can't develop into a decent player [and I didn't follow his college career, so those that did have a step up on me.]

[darklight1216]

[quote name='jfc13' date='27 August 2009 - 07:19 AM' timestamp='1251371974' post='225351']
Oh, I totally agree. Besides Cam, I would add Harbaugh, Hue Jackson and even Kyle Boller as having more of an impact on Flacco's growth and success than Rex. Actually, I would add everyone on the offensive side of the ball, since they worked with him on a regular basis.

This isn't a knock against Rex, because it wasn't his job, but he seems to want to take a bulk of the credit [either through his own comments about "knowing" to start Flacco before the decision was made and through his proxy, Bart, who said Rex ran the team last year.]

However, all that aside, I'm not sure Sanchez will be the failure some people here seem to think he will be. I need to see more. Flacco had a shaky start, too. Sanchez doesn't seem to have the calm poise that Flacco did, even from the start, but that doesn't mean he can't develop into a decent player [[b]and I didn't follow his college career, so those that did have a step up on me.][/b]
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Don't worry, there wasn't much to follow. You're not far behind anyone in that regard lol.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='J-man' date='26 August 2009 - 05:26 PM' timestamp='1251322000' post='225052']
Why exactly does ESPN thinks he's a prophet when he threw a touchdown to a running back who was covered by a second string linebacker?
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Second string LB who fell down when the ball was snapped lol

[theFRANCHISE]

I watched a lot of highlight videos of Sanchez (and also a few of his games on TV), and I noticed that a lot of his TD throws or huge gains have gone to WIDE-OPEN receivers. Any QB with decent vision or knowledge of their team's playbook can spot a wide-open receiver. So if anything, as much as football is a team sport, Sanchez's success at USC can largely be attributed to the quality of receivers he had and the complexity of the scheme against college competition.

And as people who follow college football know, college defenses are nowhere near as stingy as NFL defenses, particularly in the secondary. That's partially why the success rate of defensive backs in the NFL draft is much lower than any player in the front seven.

But going back to Sanchez, I saw very little to convince me that he can make all the throws. There weren't very many completions in tight windows, and the most I saw was him completing a pass between two defenders; in the NFL, it's common to see an elite QB get the ball to his receiver between three or four defenders.

Also, his mobility is questionable, as many college QBs appear faster than they really are, given the caliber of defenses they traditionally face. I saw little in the way of pocket presence, as he often stepped BACK and spun around when the pocket was collapsing instead of stepping UP as you're taught.

[darklight1216]

^ Good to know.

Now what did you see in Flacco when he was in college? Something more than just his school colors, I hope.

[jfc13]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='27 August 2009 - 01:40 PM' timestamp='1251394853' post='225482']
^ Good to know.

Now what did you see in Flacco when he was in college? Something more than just his school colors, I hope.
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Yeah, nice breakdown on Sanchez, now give us the same on Flacco so we can compare, Franchise!

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='jfc13' date='27 August 2009 - 03:08 PM' timestamp='1251400116' post='225514']
Yeah, nice breakdown on Sanchez, now give us the same on Flacco so we can compare, Franchise!
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With Flacco, there was a lot that popped out on tape (and no, not just his school colors, lol)

First off, you have to remember, even though Delaware is considered a powerhouse in Div I-AA, the talent level is even all throughout the Colonial Athletic Association (formerly the Atlantic-10.) Due to an offensive line that was poor in pass protection, Flacco often made throws under pressure to no-name receivers that were made to be undersized TE's. If you'll even look at YouTube highlights of Flacco, 75% of those throws were made with the pocket collapsing; this speaks to Flacco's pocket presence and footwork. Additionally, because the defensive backs were often speedier than the receivers in the CAA, Flacco had to put extra zip to deliver the ball where it needed to be. There were rarely times when receivers were wide open, unlike many of Sanchez's TD passes.

Also, despite Flacco having record-setting RB Omar Cuff as a safety blanket, defenses were still playing the pass, as they were well aware of Flacco's arm. Because of that, Flacco had to actually [i]read[/i] defenses to make many of his throws -- Sanchez had the good fortune of playing against teams that were poor against the pass. Additionally, Flacco's accuracy was impeccable; his ball placement was so precise, receivers rarely needed to make an extra effort to jump or reach for a ball.

If you want to see the proof for yourself (even though it wouldn't be the same as watching the games as I have), look up Joe Flacco's 2007 highlights on YouTube and look for the things I pointed out. Then look up Mark Sanchez's 2008 highlights and compare. Although highlight reels are often misleading, there's no disguising mechanics or pure athletic ability. Flacco has both.

[thewarden86]

Although HE DID look as though he was going to cry early on, I guess Rex was impressed with how he responded. Sanchez did end up calming down and driving that offense.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='27 August 2009 - 04:50 PM' timestamp='1251406232' post='225549']
Although HE DID look as though he was going to cry early on, I guess Rex was impressed with how he responded. Sanchez did end up calming down and driving that offense.
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And you thought I was kidding when I said he looked like he was gonna cry...

[thewarden86]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='27 August 2009 - 05:01 PM' timestamp='1251406906' post='225552']
And you thought I was kidding when I said he looked like he was gonna cry... [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif[/img]
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No I didn't! I believed you. Dude, I mentioned it to a Jets fan here at work and he was like, "Yea, he did (look like he was about to cry)." [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif[/img]

Can you imagine a Steeler or a Raven crying during one of our games? One side would NEVER live it down.

[jfc13]

Thanks, Franchise, for the Flacco breakdown. I guess the scouts saw what you did!

I'll try to watch some videos this weekend.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='27 August 2009 - 04:08 PM' timestamp='1251403686' post='225537']
With Flacco, there was a lot that popped out on tape (and no, not just his school colors, lol)

If you want to see the proof for yourself (even though it wouldn't be the same as watching the games as I have), look up Joe Flacco's 2007 highlights on YouTube and look for the things I pointed out. Then look up Mark Sanchez's 2008 highlights and compare. Although highlight reels are often misleading, there's no disguising mechanics or pure athletic ability. Flacco has both.
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So I took your advice and my observations were:
1. Four minutes of looking at those uniforms hurts my eyes.
2. Those comparisons to Worthlessberger are nearly as inescapable as the ones to Ryan.
3. You're right; Flacco did look good back then. Those passes into coverage were pretty.

For Sanchez
I don't know which highlights you were looking at, but the ones I saw showed Mark under pressure, and he looked fine, but most people look good in highlights. The amount of times his receiver was wide open really [i]was[/i] uncanny. However I'm pretty sure I can tackle better than some of those defenders so I'm not sure it would have made a difference either way.

Great breakdown btw, I actually understood most of it except for the references to the divisions (assuming that is in fact what they were).

[quote name='thewarden86' date='27 August 2009 - 05:05 PM' timestamp='1251407157' post='225554']
No I didn't! I believed you. Dude, I mentioned it to a Jets fan here at work and he was like, "Yea, he did (look like he was about to cry)." [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif[/img]

Can you imagine a Steeler or a Raven crying during one of our games? One side would NEVER live it down.
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In his defense; he didn't actually cry. I'm not sure how long that will last... maybe until week 3 of the regular season.