Bart Makes Some Rather Questionable Comments..

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' date='25 August 2009 - 10:27 PM' timestamp='1251253624' post='224635']
First, wanted to say I'm saddened after reading your sig....I miss C-Mac!

Anyway, how can you call someone a fool for being in favor of bringing in Harbs? I, like most of us, had no clue who the hell he was, but I DO know what type of people Oz and Biscotti are, and I trust their judgment 100% especially when it comes to coaching/management personnel (yes, even after the Billick ordeal). So to call whoever a fool for believing in Harbs is essentially calling Oz and Biscotti fools as well. 'N dems fightin' wurds round here!
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I am simply saying no one was exactly like "OMG, Hell Yeahz! We just got John Harbaugh as our coach!". I know I was like "Who the hell is John Harbaugh? I thought his name was Jim" Then I searched Wikipedia.

[Moderator 2]

I never wanted Garrett and Harbs did not grow on me until about December. I still miss Billick, but once the decision was made to cut him loose I think not giving Rex the job was a good decision. After the success of last year, Harbs is doing something right and brought in the right people.

[theFRANCHISE]

I thought Harbaugh was the right choice (they even had me write [url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2008/01/A_Fan_s_Voice_Harbaugh_Hiring.aspx"]an article[/url] on it for BR.com!), but it took me awhile to be completely comfortable with it. Either way, I was positive that Rex Ryan wouldn't have been the right man for the job because his style would've been too similar to Billick's. A player's coach was not what this team needed.

[BuckWilds]

For those who doubted then and now...

If, upon hearing Harbaugh was selected, you did research on his history (not just NFL coaching experience, but his whole life's football experience) you'd probably have felt a lot better about him. If you got into the man's coaching philosophy and life philosophy (which as near as I can tell don't differ much), then the comfort level likely would have been higher.

Some of the same people who questioned Harbaugh, questioned Flacco - sometimes belligerently and arrogantly. Get over it. Harbaugh is the coach. Flacco is the QB. Sure, the good people of the past are missed, but now is the time on which to spend your mental and emotional currency - and that doesn't include looking backward like Rex and Bart can't seem to stop doing.

You can't know how to play like a Jet if you're always watching the Ravens...

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='Alexir' date='25 August 2009 - 08:29 PM' timestamp='1251246562' post='224584']
You are lying or a complete fool to think, at the time, that Harbaugh was the best guy for the job. No one even knew who he was. Yes, he worked out to be a great caoch but at the time no one was 100% sold on the guy until OTAs started and we saw what kind of football team he ran.

That's like saying the Redskins fans were thrilled when Jim Zorn got the coaching job or Tom Cable.

C'mon now, Child Please.
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Alexir strikes again.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='26 August 2009 - 02:12 AM' timestamp='1251267138' post='224700']
I thought Harbaugh was the right choice (they even had me write [url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2008/01/A_Fan_s_Voice_Harbaugh_Hiring.aspx"]an article[/url] on it for BR.com!), but it took me awhile to be completely comfortable with it. Either way, I was positive that Rex Ryan wouldn't have been the right man for the job because his style would've been too similar to Billick's. [b]A player's coach was not what this team needed.[/b]
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That reminds me of a book I read. The author discussed how teams generally do a 180 when they hire new coaches. If the first guy was a players coach, they hire a disciplinarian. If the coach was harsh on the players, they hire someone a little softer.
I recall one statement from the book, which I thought was profound at the time: The worst thing that you can say about a coach is that he's a players coach. (Paraphrased)

That was a good article by the way, Franchise.

Great post, Zhamtao.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' date='26 August 2009 - 03:10 AM' timestamp='1251209416' post='224232']
Looked familiar to what we saw him do last year didn't it? Bart is great when his job is to just come in like a mad man and take up a block or rush the QB but when he has to make a play on the ball carrier he seems to miss A LOT, and he's not great in coverage.
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It certainly isn't; and I'm pretty happy with what I've seen from Gooden and McClain (especially McClain, give this man some props!).

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='26 August 2009 - 03:04 AM' timestamp='1251270298' post='224706']
It certainly isn't; and I'm pretty happy with what I've seen from Gooden and McClain (especially McClain, give this man some props!).
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Yeah, both of them looking good. We are deep at linebacker.

I still think it's too early to prounounce Scott yet. Let's wait until the regular season, and then we will see if he is mediocre.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='26 August 2009 - 08:07 PM' timestamp='1251270473' post='224708']
Yeah, both of them looking good. [b]We are deep at linebacker[/b].

I still think it's too early to prounounce Scott yet. Let's wait until the regular season, and then we will see if he is mediocre.
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Yes we are. I wouldn't expect anything less from our defense! As for Scott, I don't wish ill of him; I'm just annoyed that former Ravens players and personnel now with the Jets can't focus on their own team and issues rather than analysing us constantly.

I'll try take it as a sign of respect

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='26 August 2009 - 03:10 AM' timestamp='1251270655' post='224709']
Yes we are. I wouldn't expect anything less from our defense! As for Scott, I don't wish ill of him; I'm just annoyed that former Ravens players and personnel now with the Jets can't focus on their own team and issues rather than analysing us constantly.

[b]I'll try take it as a sign of respect[/b]
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Definitely. There might even be a bit of envy too. Ryan has already said that he thought should have been the head coach; and Bart is sort of expected to be the Lewis of that team, but surely he knows that he simply is not capable of bringing that sort of impact to a team.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='26 August 2009 - 08:22 PM' timestamp='1251271359' post='224712']
Definitely. There might even be a bit of envy too. Ryan has already said that he thought should have been the head coach; and Bart is sort of expected to be the Lewis of that team, but surely he knows that he simply is not capable of bringing that sort of impact to a team.
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Yeah, envy is right. Rex was great, but I'm thrilled John Harbaugh is our coach. He's intelligent, well-spoken and a firm but fair leader. There aren't many coaches in the league who conduct themselves as well as Harbaugh does.

[Moderator 2]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='26 August 2009 - 02:50 AM' timestamp='1251269436' post='224704']
That reminds me of a book I read. The author discussed how teams generally do a 180 when they hire new coaches. If the first guy was a players coach, they hire a disciplinarian. If the coach was harsh on the players, they hire someone a little softer.
I recall one statement from the book, which I thought was profound at the time: The worst thing that you can say about a coach is that he's a players coach. (Paraphrased)

That was a good article by the way, Franchise.

Great post, Zhamtao.
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I think you are totally right, it is also why we are fans and leave the football decisions to the experts.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='Moderator 2' date='26 August 2009 - 08:37 PM' timestamp='1251272223' post='224719']
I think you are totally right, it is also why we are fans and leave the football decisions to the experts.
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Yeah I agree - that is a good point. Its funny how teams head in 'new directions' - how often can you change direction?! lol

[smashmouth]

Bill Belicheck had nothing but good things about Harbaugh, and reccommended him to our building. Andy Reid also said he was great, he never got to move up in postion with the Eagles fast enough because of senority. But Reid did make him the assitant HC for a reason.

[BloodRaven]

Hes just talking up his team. Nothing to see here.

[TSizzle00]

At the end of the day we know 34yr old Ray Lewis will show up to the game but will Bart Scott? As I said before he looked real good falling to the ground while Ray Rice was juking him.

[bce086]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='26 August 2009 - 07:43 AM' timestamp='1251287024' post='224753']
Hes just talking up his team. Nothing to see here.
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Yep, he is doing exactly what the city of NY wants him to do. Have a big ego and run his mouth, just like the rest of them. His arrogance and cockiness is exactly what they want to see.

[PuRock]

I personally didn't know who the right person was for the job. But once Harbaugh was in the mix, I started doing research on him, and I starting liking him. My first post on Harbaugh was this:

[quote name='PuRock' date='17 January 2008 - 01:05 PM' timestamp='1200589520' post='28904']
Honesty & Football.

That is what Harbaugh is all about.
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I watched his press conference and then he totally sold me. I was pumped. I felt his enthusiasm and his passion. Plus the guy seemed smart. I later went on to post that we would need to bring in experienced guys at Cords, not Harbs guys so much. Which we did Cam and Rex.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='neepo13' date='25 August 2009 - 05:15 PM' timestamp='1251234924' post='224504']
IF he said it the way the article makes it seem like he said it, then imo its probably just a ploy to give Rex crediability as a HC. Why else would he need to point that out, whether its true or not?

I honestly dont believe it is. John Harbaugh calls the shots. Rex Ryan didnt bench McAlister after a horrid performance and breaking team rules, Harbaugh did. Thats all the proof I need.
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Agree Neeps!!! Any coach that can bench a star corner seems in control to me! SURE. Rex kept control over the defense last year. Thats because Harbaugh was a new coach. Theres obviously some jealousy or bitterness going on with Scott. Is this is the case then why didnt he want to go to the Jets no matter how much money he threw on the table? He still gave us a chance to match the offer. He wanted to stay here and we basically said Bart.. Ray is more important.Its a shame too because I have/had alot of respect for him. How can he say our Defense is all we have going? Flacco's great. We have a better offense then the Jets do at the moment.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='26 August 2009 - 07:43 AM' timestamp='1251287024' post='224753']
Hes just talking up his team. Nothing to see here.
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He can talk up his team all he wants. Sanchez is no Flacco. Just like Rex is no offensive corrdinator. It'll be just like us in the Boller years. All d and no O. Can't win championships that way.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' date='26 August 2009 - 11:03 AM' timestamp='1251298991' post='224826']
He can talk up his team all he wants. Sanchez is no Flacco. Just like Rex is no offensive corrdinator. It'll be just like us in the Boller years. All d and no O. Can't win championships that way.
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You can win at least one championship that way.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='26 August 2009 - 11:03 AM' timestamp='1251299038' post='224827']
You can win at least one championship that way.
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Mcnair got us 13-3

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='Alexir' date='25 August 2009 - 08:29 PM' timestamp='1251246562' post='224584']
You are lying or a complete fool to think, at the time, that Harbaugh was the best guy for the job. No one even knew who he was. Yes, he worked out to be a great caoch but at the time no one was 100% sold on the guy until OTAs started and we saw what kind of football team he ran.

That's like saying the Redskins fans were thrilled when Jim Zorn got the coaching job or Tom Cable.

C'mon now, Child Please.
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In do not think you can compare Zorn to Harbaugh. Zorn sined on with the Redskins to be the OC, the HC position was dumped in his lap. This is like getting hired to be the manger of the meat department for a super market and the after many interviews without finding a qualified person, they come back to the meat dept. manager and give the position to him. Now the Meat manager is the Store Manager and has to do both jobs. So now Zorn is now the HC as well as the OC. So we will see if the Meat Department Manager can Manage the store!

[Alexir]

[quote name='Marc2k6' date='26 August 2009 - 12:31 PM' timestamp='1251304273' post='224872']
In do not think you can compare Zorn to Harbaugh. Zorn sined on with the Redskins to be the OC, the HC position was dumped in his lap. This is like getting hired to be the manger of the meat department for a super market and the after many interviews without finding a qualified person, they come back to the meat dept. manager and give the position to him. Now the Meat manager is the Store Manager and has to do both jobs. So now Zorn is now the HC as well as the OC. So we will see if the Meat Department Manager can Manage the store!
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In saying that we only went to Harbs after Garrett said No. I guess I am not being clear and what I am trying to say so I will try it again.

When you found out we got turned down by Garrett and hired John Harbaugh no one was excited because we didn't know anything about this guy. From a player standpoint, like lets say Bart, who thought Rex should be headcoach this was kind of a slap in the face to some that might have thought he was not qualified to be a HC. Obviously it worked out for the most part.

Now only if he had challenged that Mason catch the first time we played Pittsburgh....lol

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='Alexir' date='26 August 2009 - 12:36 PM' timestamp='1251304608' post='224875']
In saying that we only went to Harbs after Garrett said No. I guess I am not being clear and what I am trying to say so I will try it again.

When you found out we got turned down by Garrett and hired John Harbaugh no one was excited because we didn't know anything about this guy. From a player standpoint, like lets say Bart, who thought Rex should be headcoach this was kind of a slap in the face to some that might have thought he was not qualified to be a HC. Obviously it worked out for the most part.

Now only if he had challenged that Mason catch the first time we played Pittsburgh....lol
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I lost my focus on the last post. Even B. Scott after the Dallas game on the way off the field publicly thanked Jason Garrett for not taking the job that is the type of player Scott is. I thanked Garrett also because you have to wonder about a guy who would turn down a HC position to be a OC. He had a chance to be the man here but choose to just be a man in Dallas. As far as the Raven's not giving the HC job to Rex, I think the thought was that they wanted a HC with a different approach and maybe they did not think they would get that from Rex but as we see with the Jet's his message as well as approach would have been different. I think B. Scott as well as other players already knew what he could do and B. Scott is just showing his support for hic HC.
As I said before, it is Mind over Matter, I do not really Mind what Rex/B. Scott says cause they do not Matter. They are Jet's now, they were Raven's.

[tweety]

[b]Look back at the Jets game and compare the pocket of the Ravens and the Jets.[/b] I don't think the difference is the Oline or Dline personnel but coordination.

Give Flacco or Smith that same pocket they would have looked like Drew Brees. Clemens had a well developed pocket, fortunately our secondary had great coverage.

Compare Ray Rice to Leon Washington's penetration. [b]Leon 6 YPC/ Rice 4.1 YPC[/b] I don't think it is because Washington's running ability is greater than Rice's.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='tweety' date='26 August 2009 - 02:13 PM' timestamp='1251310422' post='224948']
Look back at the Jets game and compare the pocket of the Ravens and the Jets.

Give Flacco or Smith that same pocket they would have looked like Drew Brees. Clemens had a well developed pocket, fortunately our secondary had great coverage.

Compare Ray Rice to Leon Washington's penetration.

Until otherwise proved Ryan > Mattison
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Well that's pretty generic. Ryan had six years as our DC and Mattinson hasn't coached in a regular season game yet as the DC. Of course, he has to prove that he's better; it's the same for anyone.

If you're making a comparison strictly based on this year's pre-season games: Mattinson is undefeated, Ryan is not. How 'bout them apples?

[tweety]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='26 August 2009 - 02:27 PM' timestamp='1251311222' post='224951']
Well that's pretty generic. Ryan had six years as our DC and Mattinson hasn't coached in a regular season game yet as the DC. Of course, he has to prove that he's better; it's the same for anyone.

If you're making a comparison strictly based on this year's pre-season games: Mattinson is undefeated, Ryan is not. How 'bout them apples?
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The Ravens won the pre-season game but the Jets won what counted. Jets proved organization on both Offense (minus QB errors) and Defense.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='tweety' date='26 August 2009 - 02:38 PM' timestamp='1251311933' post='224959']
The Ravens won the pre-season game but the Jets won what counted. Jets proved organization on both Offense (minus QB errors) and Defense.
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Winning is what counts; that is why we keep score. This is, however, pre-season so there is a bit of leniency.

The only thing the Jets proved was that they almost had what it took to beat our second and third string guys. Our starters owned them.

Edit:
On Bart Scott's comment, “We don’t have any rearview mirrors in our car,” the coach (Harbaugh) said

[WinnipegRaven]

LOL - Harbs response to Bart Scott's comments - "We don't have any rear-view mirrors on this team." I personally am glad we have the class act that is Harbs behind the bench and not the big mouth Ryan has. Who's ready to see Rex Ryan do a Mora by week 12?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM