Merged Brandon Marshall Threads

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='flynismo' date='07 September 2009 - 12:09 AM' timestamp='1252300152' post='230377']
But yeah, pure talent-wise, Marshall is better than our entire WR corps combined.
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THANK YOU!!! LOL.

Which is why I'm of the mindset that if it's a possibility you give what you need to give to get him. I can only begin to imagine Marshall and Mason on the field....at the same time.....with Rice coming out of the backfield.....with Flacco throwing the ball! I need to go get cleaned up now

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='07 September 2009 - 12:08 AM' timestamp='1252296534' post='230361']
There you go. And that'll be the FINAL word on the rating system.

Let's get back on-topic...
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Edit - taken to private message.

[flynismo]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' date='07 September 2009 - 01:12 AM' timestamp='1252300370' post='230378']
[b] Mason on the field....at the same time.....with Rice coming out of the backfield.....with Flacco throwing the ball! [/b]
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...and with Heap being involved again....which is why we dont "need" a superstar WR, we just need a guy to take Mace's place. Then next year we draft a stud with the pick we were going to give up for Marshall, and we're ready for world domination.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

AND.....are you ready for this? You sure? Barring any serious injuries to a few key guys (Flacco, Ngata, Gaither, Oher, Foxworth, F. Washington, Reed, Lewis)- If we traded for Brandon Marshall and he stays healthy....Championship! I'd bet on it! Let me explain before I get flamed (probably will anyway, but here goes). He is much more than just a single WR on this team. He is THE missing component of a dangerous offense. He will open up the running game just by being on the field. The days of 8 or 9 men in the box would be over quickly. What corner is going to cover him 1 on 1 with no deep help? That should be an almost automatic 6 points. He also takes ALOT of pressure off of Mason. We all know that Mason is one hell of a possession guy. Imagine if we had another threat on the other side of the field too! I'm telling you! Yes, we have a good chance to make a run at the Lombardi. But if Marshall were parked in Baltimore, I'd guarantee it!

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='flynismo' date='07 September 2009 - 12:26 AM' timestamp='1252301167' post='230387']
...and with Heap being involved again....which is why we dont "need" a superstar WR, we just need a guy to take Mace's place. Then next year we draft a stud with the pick we were going to give up for Marshall, and we're ready for world domination.
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Didn't mean to leave Heap out! I feel that we do need a superstar. Because I believe that Washington will take Mason's place as the possession guy once he retires.

Here is my main problem with the whole "we don't NEED him" thing. True, we may not NEED him to win a SB, but it would sure be a hell of alot easier WITH him. And I don't see why you wouldn't WANT to make an upgrade of that magnitude!

[Bltravens]

Before Marshall throwing his TO style tantrum I was all for bringing him in a player of that calibre regardless of his trouble, its one thing to have issues off the field and leaving them there and coming out to play every sunday. But he took it too far and brought his problems to the field and disrupted a practice, that was the line for me, Ive played pretty high level sports (albeit it was baseball) but when your at the level when you get payed to play a game nobody cares what you do away from the field (short of being a future convicted felon) as long as it stays away from the field. The instant you bring your problems to the field you become a distraction and thats not what any team needs.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='07 September 2009 - 12:49 AM' timestamp='1252302567' post='230394']
Before Marshall throwing his TO style tantrum I was all for bringing him in a player of that calibre regardless of his trouble, its one thing to have issues off the field and leaving them there and coming out to play every sunday. But he took it too far and brought his problems to the field and disrupted a practice, that was the line for me, Ive played pretty high level sports (albeit it was baseball) but when your at the level when you get payed to play a game nobody cares what you do away from the field (short of being a future convicted felon) as long as it stays away from the field. The instant you bring your problems to the field you become a distraction and thats not what any team needs.
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Again, somebody failed to read my reasons on WHY he is acting like he is on the field If the situation between the team and him were different I couldn't agree more. Things being as they are, I really feel like he is doing this for a reason, not just because he is a crybaby, or acting like a diva.

It's the off the field issues that bother me the most. But like I said previously, maybe he just needs a clean slate. The on the field stuff is calculated and would cease the moment his plane hits the ground at another city.

[Bltravens]

Everybody in the world knows why hes doing this dude, to get traded. We get that, but when other players in the past have wanted/demanded trades they didnt pull ridiculous stunts like he does. Disrupting a team practice? Claiming not to know the playbook? the hell is that your a pro football player. I get it I wouldnt wanna be in Denver either, but if they wont trade you they wont trade you. Hes in the last year of his contract anyway, if he wants to be traded and they wont do it, sack up play like the man child u are and leave in the offseason for bank.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='07 September 2009 - 01:12 AM' timestamp='1252303944' post='230400']
Everybody in the world knows why hes doing this dude, to get traded. We get that, but when other players in the past have wanted/demanded trades they didnt pull ridiculous stunts like he does. Disrupting a team practice? Claiming not to know the playbook? the hell is that your a pro football player. I get it I wouldnt wanna be in Denver either, but if they wont trade you they wont trade you. Hes in the last year of his contract anyway, if he wants to be traded and they wont do it, sack up play like the man child u are and leave in the offseason for bank.
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Cool, I get where you are coming from. My theory is that he knows a team won't give Denver what they want for him. So he's going to cause distractions until they've had enough and say ok....take him. Denver WILL NOT sit him all year when they could swallow their pride and trade the man for a player or two that WILL help the team NOW. He knows this and is doing his damnedest to make it happen.

[flynismo]

Am I the only one who's starting to miss the Boldin threads?

[I*Bleed*Purple]

^^^LOL

[mhead66]

[quote name='flynismo' date='07 September 2009 - 02:41 AM' timestamp='1252305668' post='230406']
Am I the only one who's starting to miss the Boldin threads?
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Just to throw some fuel on the fire, Kerry Rhodes (NYJ) said (in a Tweet ) that Jets' fans - both of them - should expect "a big announcement" - and, "Just before that, Rhodes tweeted at a Jets fan speculating on a possible trade for Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall "u may be right!!! (hint hint)."

According to PFT...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/07/kerry-rhodes-hints-at-a-big-announcement/

[William Murderface]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' date='07 September 2009 - 12:33 AM' timestamp='1252301604' post='230391']
Didn't mean to leave Heap out! I feel that we do need a superstar. Because I believe that Washington will take Mason's place as the possession guy once he retires.

Here is my main problem with the whole "we don't NEED him" thing. True, we may not NEED him to win a SB, but it would sure be a hell of alot easier WITH him. And I don't see why you wouldn't WANT to make an upgrade of that magnitude!
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The only problem with that is that you assume that he will come here and his teammates will accept him and he will accept his situation. Remember all these antics are because he is not getting the contract he wants and we would probably not pay him as well (not immediately at least) as we have more pressing issues in Gaither and Ngata. Remember, Oz likes to lock-up and pay "his guys." Who is the last big free agent or someone we traded for (and that worked out). The only one i can think of off the top of my head is mcgahee and so far he has not lived up to that contract. Trevor pryce as well but he was not really sought after when we signed him (very underrated player). Mason, Rolle and others really were not at the top of their class we choose them because they were "our type of players."

Back to the topic though: i dont want to run the risk of screwing with our chemistry. I agree though that if we brought him in and he played to his potential, was happy, a good teammate, and the rest of the team embraced him and he embraced them then yes we would be a lot better off and have no real weaknesses anywhere on the team. But i think the chances of that happening if we acquired him would be 1 out of 4. With the 3 out of 4 chacne in just destroying our locker room (think some Billick era teams). If he did what Boldin did last year say "I'm not happy but i am going to play and give it my all" then i would be much more inclined to say "yeah lets go get him."

The price is also way to high. A first and a third? When Moss a couple years ago was just a 4th. No way. I would say fair market value for him would at most be a 3rd and a player like Barnes, Burgess something along those lines.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='William Murderface' date='07 September 2009 - 07:14 AM' timestamp='1252325689' post='230427']
The only problem with that is that you assume that he will come here and his teammates will accept him and he will accept his situation. Remember all these antics are because he is not getting the contract he wants and we would probably not pay him as well (not immediately at least) as we have more pressing issues in Gaither and Ngata. Remember, Oz likes to lock-up and pay "his guys." Who is the last big free agent or someone we traded for (and that worked out). The only one i can think of off the top of my head is mcgahee and so far he has not lived up to that contract. Trevor pryce as well but he was not really sought after when we signed him (very underrated player). Mason, Rolle and others really were not at the top of their class we choose them because they were "our type of players."

Back to the topic though: i dont want to run the risk of screwing with our chemistry. I agree though that if we brought him in and he played to his potential, was happy, a good teammate, and the rest of the team embraced him and he embraced them then yes we would be a lot better off and have no real weaknesses anywhere on the team. But i think the chances of that happening if we acquired him would be 1 out of 4. With the 3 out of 4 chacne in just destroying our locker room (think some Billick era teams). If he did what Boldin did last year say "I'm not happy but i am going to play and give it my all" then i would be much more inclined to say "yeah lets go get him."

The price is also way to high. A first and a third? When Moss a couple years ago was just a 4th. No way. I would say fair market value for him would at most be a 3rd and a player like Barnes, Burgess something along those lines.
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Fair enough. Thank you for explaining your position. Most people just say no, because that what everyone else says.

[RoflDogs]

Rumors are saying that he is probably going to the Jets (also on Rhodes's twitter account, which of course, could not be taken too seriously)

[flynismo]

[quote name='RoflDogs' date='07 September 2009 - 11:01 AM' timestamp='1252335669' post='230466']
Rumors are saying that he is probably going to the Jets (also on Rhodes's twitter account, which of course, could not be taken too seriously)
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I'm glad if that's true, for the following reasons:

1) Rex can deal with Marshall's BS
2) With or without Marshall, New England owns that division. So at least he's going to an irrelevant team instead of Pittsburgh or San Diego.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='flynismo' date='07 September 2009 - 11:22 AM' timestamp='1252336953' post='230483']
I'm glad if that's true, for the following reasons:

1) Rex can deal with Marshall's BS
2) With or without Marshall, New England owns that division. So at least he's going to an irrelevant team instead of Pittsburgh or San Diego.
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On top of that, even ONE of Marshall's outbursts could damage Mark Sanchez's psyche. I'm already questioning his mental toughness after he looked like he was about to cry against the Ravens (never seen that from ANY rookie QB), and all of the pressure that the New York market has put on his shoulders will eventually implode on him if Marshall adds to that. Sure, they'd be bringing in another weapon to help Sanchez -- but there's such a thing as a double-edged sword, as well.

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='07 September 2009 - 12:23 PM' timestamp='1252340615' post='230504']
On top of that, even ONE of Marshall's outbursts could damage Mark Sanchez's psyche. I'm already questioning his mental toughness after he looked like he was about to cry against the Ravens [b](never seen that from ANY rookie QB)[/b], and all of the pressure that the New York market has put on his shoulders will eventually implode on him if Marshall adds to that. Sure, they'd be bringing in another weapon to help Sanchez -- but there's such a thing as a double-edged sword, as well.
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Guess you never seen Joey Harrington or David Carr play XD

[macbrak]

I don't think anybody doubts Marshall wouldn't be useful/great receiver.

The problem is he wants too much money, that we can't pay him (or can scrape together enough and sacrifice any other additions and probably keeping some important pieces). He has some downsides not the least of which is contract hissy fit and off the field issues.

[GoRavensNTerps]

It also says on Rhodes' twitter account that 'for those of you thinking B Marshall, think again!!!!'

So at this point no one really knows whats going on. I'm thinking it will end up like what happened to T.O going to the Bills. Marshall will be traded to a team that no one even guessed that stayed out of the lime light with their intentions.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='07 September 2009 - 12:23 PM' timestamp='1252340615' post='230504']
On top of that, even ONE of Marshall's outbursts could damage Mark Sanchez's psyche. I'm already questioning his mental toughness after he looked like he was about to cry against the Ravens (never seen that from ANY rookie QB), [b]and all of the pressure that the New York market has put on his shoulders will eventually implode on him if Marshall adds to that.[/b] Sure, they'd be bringing in another weapon to help Sanchez -- but there's such a thing as a double-edged sword, as well.
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Wait a minute, who are we talking about? This sounds like the Romo/T.O. saga.
[quote name='RoflDogs' date='07 September 2009 - 12:54 PM' timestamp='1252342463' post='230514']
Guess you never seen Joey Harrington or David Carr play XD
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That speaks volumes.

[quote name='macbrak' date='07 September 2009 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1252342676' post='230519']
I don't think anybody doubts Marshall wouldn't be useful/great receiver.

[b]The problem is he wants too much money,[/b] that we can't pay him (or can scrape together enough and sacrifice any other additions and probably keeping some important pieces). He has some downsides not the least of which is contract hissy fit and off the field issues.
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He has more than one problem, I assure you.

[flynismo]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='07 September 2009 - 01:30 PM' timestamp='1252344615' post='230536']
Wait a minute, who are we talking about? This sounds like the Romo/T.O. saga.
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That's exactly why Marshall is known as "Baby TO"

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='07 September 2009 - 01:30 PM' timestamp='1252344615' post='230536']
Wait a minute, who are we talking about? This sounds like the Romo/T.O. saga.
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Like Fly said, that's why they call him Baby T.O.

And the biggest difference is, Romo wasn't a rookie when T.O. was brought in; he may have been young and it was his first season as a starter, but there's a world of difference mentally between a rookie and a three-year vet, even on the bench. Plus, the market in NY is much harsher than Dallas.

[J-man]

Why do people still want him? He's Proven two things, he's a good receiver and a jerk. He'll screw us over sometime two years down the road if we do get him.