Merged Brandon Marshall Threads

[kris21054]

Rumors from Ravens training camp

It's juicy rumor time, because this is the time in preseason when you hear all the good stuff. In the last week, I've heard about the Ravens being serious players for Michael Vick, but the Ravens said no.

I've also heard the Ravens are interested in trading for Denver receiver Brandon Marshall. Two names mentioned as possible trades from Baltimore are quarterback Troy Smith and/or receiver Demetrius Williams, and/or possibly a second round pick. A lot of the speculation stems from the Ravens having five quarterbacks in training camp and that could mean a possible trade.

When you get to the second game of the preseason, it all starts to heat up. Ideally, you want the players who will make the roster in to play the second and third preseason game, and have the option of playing them in game 4. I suspect the Ravens are pouring over the list of available receivers, but it's hard to gauge the interest at this time. What's intriguing, though, are the rumors. By next week, it's really going to get heavy.

[berad]

[quote name='kris21054' date='19 August 2009 - 08:47 PM' timestamp='1250729263' post='221343']
Rumors from Ravens training camp
I've also heard the Ravens are interested in trading for Denver receiver Brandon Marshall. Two names mentioned as possible trades from Baltimore are quarterback Troy Smith and/or receiver Demetrius Williams, and/or possibly a second round pick.[b] A lot of the speculation stems from the Ravens having five quarterbacks in training camp and that could mean a possible trade.[/b]
[/quote]

Just like signing Nader Abdallah paved the way for the Ravens to trade for Tony Pashos? [i](Or whatever that ridiculous rumor was)[/i] Anyways, I doubt the additional QBs has any trade implications, they just incorrectly gauged Beck's return from his injury. I [b]HATE[/b] Brandon Marshall rumors, I just wish he would just suck it up, be a man, and collect his multi-million dollar contract as it is.

I know you didn't write this, so don't take my criticism personally.

[smashmouth]

I'd rather keep TroY Smith and D.Williams. Spider-man ( D.Williams ) has all the tools of being a elite reciever ( dont laugh and think im crazy ). Seriously this guy can and will be very good as long as he's healthy.
Keeping Smith just means were going to have a good backup and be able to run some crazy packages designed to use his running and throwing ability. Keep the defenses honest and on there toes. Im not on the Marshall bandwagon, I know it would be incredable to have him, but I think we have guys capable on the team already.

[Mishel]

I think Troy Smith is out of here next year so although it takes away from our depth at qb this year, may in the long run be a good thing. He wants to be a starter somewhere, hes not going to want to sit behind Joe forever. I hope the rumor regarding Demetrius is just that...if he can stay healthy he will be a good reciever for us this year.

[neepo13]

[quote name='smashmouth' date='19 August 2009 - 09:22 PM' timestamp='1250731371' post='221357']
I'd rather keep TroY Smith and D.Williams. Spider-man ( D.Williams ) has all the tools of being a elite reciever ( dont laugh and think im crazy ). Seriously this guy can and will be very good as long as he's healthy.
Keeping Smith just means were going to have a good backup and be able to run some crazy packages designed to use his running and throwing ability. Keep the defenses honest and on there toes. Im not on the Marshall bandwagon, I know it would be incredable to have him, but I think we have guys capable on the team already.
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I actually agree with you about Dwill but for different reasons. If a wr were to go in a trade it would be Clayton because he's the only one outside of Mason thats not a complete unknown. He's not going to replace Marshall in Denver but he's servicable that he's proven. Williams although the potential has zero trade value because he hasnt proven anything. And anyway if anyone wanted to trade for Dwill, they had the shot when we slapped such a low tender on him as a RFA.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Mishel' date='19 August 2009 - 09:27 PM' timestamp='1250731676' post='221359']
I think Troy Smith is out of here next year so although it takes away from our depth at qb this year, may in the long run be a good thing. He wants to be a starter somewhere, hes not going to want to sit behind Joe forever. I hope the rumor regarding Demetrius is just that...if he can stay healthy he will be a good reciever for us this year.
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People keep saying that Smith will bolt after this season but the truth of the matter is the Ravens have more control over his immediate future then he does. He's an RFA next year, Ravens have right of first refusal. No, team is going to give him a deal we cant match because no one is going to pay him as a starter and no team is going to give up a high draft pick for him. I've been saying all offseason that Troy Smith is most likely stuck here for the next two seasons. And unless a trade happens, I stand by that 100%.

[smashmouth]

[quote name='neepo13' date='19 August 2009 - 09:32 PM' timestamp='1250731931' post='221362']
People keep saying that Smith will bolt after this season but the truth of the matter is the Ravens have more control over his immediate future then he does. He's an RFA next year, Ravens have right of first refusal. No, team is going to give him a deal we cant match because no one is going to pay him as a starter and no team is going to give up a high draft pick for him. I've been saying all offseason that Troy Smith is most likely stuck here for the next two seasons. And unless a trade happens, I stand by that 100%.
[/quote]

I think your right. And im not so sure teams are going to try and pay him enough to take him from us. He has more value to us as a backup then anyone else.

[Alexir]

[quote name='neepo13' date='19 August 2009 - 09:32 PM' timestamp='1250731931' post='221362']
People keep saying that Smith will bolt after this season but the truth of the matter is the Ravens have more control over his immediate future then he does. He's an RFA next year, Ravens have right of first refusal. No, team is going to give him a deal we cant match because no one is going to pay him as a starter and no team is going to give up a high draft pick for him. I've been saying all offseason that Troy Smith is most likely stuck here for the next two seasons. And unless a trade happens, I stand by that 100%.
[/quote]

I guarantee you someone will sign him. Copy the link to this message, take a pic if you have to, or post it on your fridge. Our front office wants Troy here as a back up but they know keeping him around is only going to bring the locker room drama and fan drama of who should be QB, Flacco or Smith. I see the Vikings, Rams or the 49ers going for him maybe even Denver.

[tweety]

The addition of Marshall would make ease the pain of the dismissal of Smith. Regardless, there is no concrete evident that the Ravens are pursuing a trade with anybody.

[PuRock]

It is an interesting thought. But the Sun likes to speculate about trades a little too much. Most of the time, they are overshooting.

But considering the fact that Kyle Orton sucked last week. 3 picks? But then again Chris Sims is looking decent. Any team with a decent backup quarterback will be speculating trade.

I like D Wills and I think he can be great. I would hate to part with him. But a proven young WR might just be what we need.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Alexir' date='19 August 2009 - 09:45 PM' timestamp='1250732758' post='221371']
I guarantee you someone will sign him. Copy the link to this message, take a pic if you have to, or post it on your fridge. Our front office wants Troy here as a back up but they know keeping him around is only going to bring the locker room drama and fan drama of who should be QB, Flacco or Smith. I see the Vikings, Rams or the 49ers going for him maybe even Denver.
[/quote]
I am sure someone will sign him, when he becomes and URFA. He's not an URFA after next season. Which means whoever wants him will have to TRADE FOR HIM. Now go ahead and guarantee that a team TRADES for him when he's a RFA. I'd be willing to wager you'd be wrong.

What team will pay him more then we can match and what team is willing to trade draft picks for him? Those are the two things that will be required for Smith to leave Baltimore after this season.

[RavingRaven]

I would be happy to get some value for Smith. He'll be gone after next year as a free agent and we won't get jack for him. Let him play the entire game against the jets and showcase him eating 2nd and 3rd string defenses, then let's sell him to Denver who could probably use him. Personally, I'd rather have Smith anyday over Orton (nice mustache but you still look too unmanly to be threatening in a dark alley).

As for DWill, he has potential but if I were the Broncos, he wouldn't be tempting. He's an unproven, injury prone hopeful, who (according to Ravens fans) has flashes of brilliance and the ability to be an elite WR.... Tough sell in my opinion.

So I think the rumor is bs but I'll hope for it to be true.

[smashmouth]

[quote name='Alexir' date='19 August 2009 - 09:45 PM' timestamp='1250732758' post='221371']
I guarantee you someone will sign him. Copy the link to this message, take a pic if you have to, or post it on your fridge. Our front office wants Troy here as a back up but they know keeping him around is only going to bring the locker room drama and fan drama of who should be QB, Flacco or Smith. I see the Vikings, Rams or the 49ers going for him maybe even Denver.
[/quote]
You cant guarantee squat. There has been not one team who has shown interest in him, this year or last year. The guy won the Heisman trophy and still diddnt interest anybody. Smith really is a class act and know's his chance will come, but to say these teams will go for him is just plain far-fetched. If anybody was interrested in him to be there starter they would have proposed to trade a while ago.

[tweety]

[quote name='smashmouth' date='19 August 2009 - 10:01 PM' timestamp='1250733689' post='221386']
You cant guarantee squat. [b]There has been not one team who has shown interest in him, this year or last year.[/b] The guy won the Heisman trophy and still diddnt interest anybody. Smith really is a class act and know's his chance will come, but to say these teams will go for him is just plain far-fetched. If anybody was interrested in him to be there starter they would have proposed to trade a while ago.
[/quote]
What does that mean, he has been on our team the the past two years. No team has shown interest in Flacco or Reed because they are happily under contract. Back-ups such as Schaub and Cassel didn't get interest until the office open negotiations.

[neepo13]

[quote name='tweety' date='19 August 2009 - 10:07 PM' timestamp='1250734067' post='221391']
What does that mean, he has been on our team the the past two years. No team has shown interest in Flacco or Reed because they are happily under contract. Back-ups such as Schaub and Cassel didn't get interest until the office open negotiations.
[/quote]

Cassel started an entire season for NE and I am certain Schaub had more then two starts under his belt when he became a RFA. Troy Smith isnt an untradeable guy like Reed and Flacco. If a team showed some interest him, at the very least our F.O. would have listened. Troy is our backup QB, if we could get value out of him we would.

The fact is, I know Troy lovers hate to hear this, is he has no trade value right now. Answer this, why is it that Quinn was never on the block for Cleveland, yet he was still involved in several trade rumors. Teams contacted Cleveland about him. If a team wanted Troy bad enough, they reach out to us.

[smashmouth]

[quote name='tweety' date='19 August 2009 - 10:07 PM' timestamp='1250734067' post='221391']
What does that mean, he has been on our team the the past two years. No team has shown interest in Flacco or Reed because they are happily under contract. Back-ups such as Schaub and Cassel didn't get interest until the office open negotiations.
[/quote]
Cassell played the entire year and played well. Thats why teams showed interest in him at the end of the season, and the Pats could could deal him away because they have Brady. Schaub was also in the same boat.

Flacco and Reed are in way diffrent scenorios. Niether one of them is a RFA now are they? If a team is interested in a backup they can call and ask away. Ozzie would gladly deal away a backup QB if he's getting a good deal out of it. As i said there will be teams that may shop around and take a gander at Smith, but if there willing next year then why dont they this year? They would have to throw starters money at Smith to be able to grab him because like I said he is worth more as a backup to us then any other team.

[neepo13]

[quote name='smashmouth' date='19 August 2009 - 10:24 PM' timestamp='1250735048' post='221399']
Cassell played the entire year and played well. Thats why teams showed interest in him at the end of the season, and the Pats could could deal him away because they have Brady. Schaub was also in the same boat.

Flacco and Reed are in way diffrent scenorios. Niether one of them is a RFA now are they? If a team is interested in a backup they can call and ask away. Ozzie would gladly deal away a backup QB if he's getting a good deal out of it. As i said there will be teams that may shop around and take a gander at Smith, but if there willing next year then why dont they this year? They would have to throw starters money at Smith to be able to grab him because like I said he is worth more as a backup to us then any other team.
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I agree. The only way Smith leaves Baltimore as a RFA, is if Flacco gets hurt and Smith comes in and plays well. Thats only way, I see Smith getting more then a mere glance from another team.

If things continue on the way they are right now, no team is going to be willing to 1) give up starter money to get him and 2) give up drafts picks a compensation for him.

[tweety]

That was very dumb of me to compare Smith's situation to Cassel. As far as Smith being traded to the Broncos, the Raven would have to initiate that negotiation. Broncos aren't going to openly give the idea to trade Marshall (only make him madder) and bench Orton. I think that trade would benefit Smith, Marshall, the Broncos, and the Ravens.

-Broncos lose a mad WR and gain a capable QB
-Ravens lose a back-up and gain a capable WR
-Smith gets to start
-Marshall gets a SuperBowl ring

Lets quit pipe dreaming

[J-man]

[quote name='tweety' date='19 August 2009 - 10:34 PM' timestamp='1250735685' post='221406']


-Broncos lose a mad WR and gain a capable QB
-Ravens lose a back-up and gain a capable WR
-Smith gets to start
-Marshall gets a SuperBowl ring

Lets quit pipe dreaming
[/quote]

That's a win-win if I every heard one.

Now on Vick. I heard that Ozzie wanted him but Harbs and Steve Bisciotti didnt.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I appreciate what has been said about Williams; but can he get healthy and stay healthy? Surely patience is running thing with all parties concerned...

[berad]

[quote name='tweety' date='19 August 2009 - 10:34 PM' timestamp='1250735685' post='221406']
That was very dumb of me to compare Smith's situation to Cassel. As far as Smith being traded to the Broncos, the Raven would have to initiate that negotiation. Broncos aren't going to openly give the idea to trade Marshall (only make him madder) and bench Orton. I think that trade would benefit Smith, Marshall, the Broncos, and the Ravens.

-Broncos lose a mad WR and gain a capable QB
-Ravens lose a back-up and gain a capable WR
-Smith gets to start
-Marshall gets a SuperBowl ring

Lets quit pipe dreaming
[/quote]

You forgot to mention the part about Marshall pouting until he gets his money..

If it was as easy and simple as you seem to think it is, it would have already been done..

[ravensfan160]

I would be scared to death to trade away Williams to anyone. I would be too afraid that after 3+ years of injuries he would finally live up to his potential and become a dominant playmaker. I would cry. So no...I hope we don't trade for Marshall.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='berad' date='19 August 2009 - 08:56 PM' timestamp='1250729794' post='221349']
Just like signing Nader Abdallah paved the way for the Ravens to trade for Tony Pashos? [i](Or whatever that ridiculous rumor was)[/i] Anyways, I doubt the additional QBs has any trade implications, they just incorrectly gauged Beck's return from his injury. I [b]HATE[/b] Brandon Marshall rumors, I just wish he would just suck it up, be a man, and collect his multi-million dollar contract as it is.

I know you didn't write this, so don't take my criticism personally.
[/quote]

Wasn't that just someone on this board speculating? I'm sure this writer has sources, however unreliable they are.

I wasn't going to shoot you after reading the article, but since you didn't provide a link, I think I will.

Honestly though, is it that hard to cite your source?

I seem to find more threads without actual quotes and/or citations than topics with proper references.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='tweety' date='19 August 2009 - 10:34 PM' timestamp='1250735685' post='221406']
That was very dumb of me to compare Smith's situation to Cassel. As far as Smith being traded to the Broncos, the Raven would have to initiate that negotiation. Broncos aren't going to openly give the idea to trade Marshall (only make him madder) and bench Orton. I think that trade would benefit Smith, Marshall, the Broncos, and the Ravens.

-Broncos lose a mad WR and gain a capable QB
-Ravens lose a back-up and gain a capable WR
-Smith gets to start
-Marshall gets a SuperBowl ring

Lets quit pipe dreaming
[/quote]

So in summary, the Ravens dump two backups, one of who is a free agent after the season, and gain a Pro Bowl wide receiver.

The Broncos, on the other hand, bring in an inexperienced fifth round pick who has thus far shown that he can do nothing particularly special, but doesn't flub things up!

Furthermore, the aforementioned QB is devoid of the team's former number one receiver because said wide out was dealt to bring in this backup quarterback and his perennially injured friend.

I'll go ahead and say that Denver wins this one in a landslide.

[Ravnet]

Edit - double post.

[itscbm5042]

This is coming from the Baltimore Sun and is very intriguing...

"I've also heard the Ravens are interested in trading for Denver receiver Brandon Marshall. Two names mentioned as possible trades from Baltimore are quarterback Troy Smith and/or receiver Demetrius Williams, and/or possibly a second round pick. A lot of the speculation stems from the Ravens having five quarterbacks in training camp and that could mean a possible trade.

When you get to the second game of the preseason, it all starts to heat up. Ideally, you want the players who will make the roster in to play the second and third preseason game, and have the option of playing them in game 4. I suspect the Ravens are pouring over the list of available receivers, but it's hard to gauge the interest at this time. What's intriguing, though, are the rumors. By next week, it's really going to get heavy."

Now that seems like a plausible deal, with Marshall becoming more and more cancerous to the Broncos and with a need at QB (Orton looked terrible) and Smith is looking great I could see Troy being moved to Denver along with picks for Marshall, who was ACQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES AND WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY PUNISHMENT FROM THE LEAGUE, but from all reports, is really unhappy with the Broncos.

Just imagine that wide receiving corps with Marshall in the mix -

Mason, Marshall, Clayton, Williams, Harper, Washington !!

[Alexir]

Already being discussed under a different topic.

[itscbm5042]

[quote name='Alexir' date='20 August 2009 - 10:52 AM' timestamp='1250779947' post='221551']
Already being discussed under a different topic.
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I nominate that the threads be merged keeping this title, as its much clearer and understandable than the other. Thanks in advance moderators.

[Alexir]

agree.

[itscbm5042]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='20 August 2009 - 10:48 AM' timestamp='1250779727' post='221548']
Edit - double post.
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BOOM - consider yourself linked.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2009/08/rumors_from_ravens_training_camp.html