What Happened To Leinart?

[YYZ66]

The News
Brian St. Pierre will function as the team's number two quarterback in their second preseason game next week, according to AZCardinals.com.

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St. Pierre played poorly in the team's first game on Thursday, completing just 4-of-10 passes while throwing an interception, but Matt Leinart wasn't any better, going just 8-of-14 for 83 yards. Coach Ken Whisenhunt has promised St. Pierre a legitimate shot at the spot, and while many don't think he's serious, it sure looks like it.

How do you go from "first round pick, can't miss QB" to potentially backing up Brian St. Pierre? OUCH!!!!

[Moderator 2]

I'm watching the Pitt-AZ game waiting for my spackle to dry, and Gruden said St. Pierre wanted to leave, but the coach told him if he stayed he could compete for the #2 job. Lienhart is laughing all the way to the bank. Lienhart does not look all that great either.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Moderator 2' date='15 August 2009 - 02:34 PM' timestamp='1250364849' post='219874']
I'm watching the Pitt-AZ game waiting for my spackle to dry, and Gruden said St. Pierre wanted to leave, but the coach told him if he stayed he could compete for the #2 job. Lienhart is laughing all the way to the bank. Lienhart does not look all that great either.
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Wow, is that really all it takes to move up the depth chart in Arizona?

[JO_75]

Does this mean Leinart is officially a BUST? I mean for him to go from starter to third string is pretty bad. With Warner under a new 2 year deal, I would think Arizona will be drafting a new young QB next year to be the new starter and lead Arizona into the future. I just don't think Leinart will have what it takes to do that, but just like with the Texans where Andre Johnson deserves better than Matt Schaub, Fitzgerald and Boldin deserve much better than Matt Leinart when Warner retires.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I thought Leinart was already considered a bust? The guy hasn't done anything productive since he came into the league, nor has he shown much promise. However, going to third string will definitely put a nail in the coffin for it.

[berad]

He had everything you could want in a QB coming out of college: the size, the arm, the experience in big games at a prestigious university, he looked every bit of an NFL star. Injuries derailed a promising rookie season and his sophomore year. He never had impressive statistics and Ken Wisenhunt sided with his proven MVP QB, Kurt Warner. Now, he's slowly being phased out of Arizona; it's sad, really.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I seriously wonder if any teams that need a quarterback would even want to take a chance on Leinart, to try to jumpstart his career.

[McBurks]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='15 August 2009 - 04:50 PM' timestamp='1250369438' post='219903']
I seriously wonder if any teams that need a quarterback would even want to take a chance on Leinart, to try to jumpstart his career.
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I'm sure the Browns could always find a spot for him....[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif[/img]

[YYZ66]

[quote name='Simba' date='15 August 2009 - 06:18 PM' timestamp='1250371133' post='219911']
I'm sure the Browns could always find a spot for him....[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Might as well have 3 underachieving QB's, right?

[theFRANCHISE]

I don't think it's just injuries, but also his alleged work ethic that derailed his career. Granted, this is all speculation and heresay, but there were rumblings that Leinart expected the job handed to him over Warner and he was completely floored when Warner legitimately outperformed him. Additionally, there's a lot of doubt as to whether Leinart really put the kind of effort into the job that you want to see from the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or whoever this guy was being compared to. He was certainly no Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco when it came to film study as a rookie.

Of course, none of us know if this is really true -- but those pictures of him partying during the offseason were pretty damning. Sure, the offseason is his private time and he's a grown man, but if he's also partying like that [i]during[/i] the season, then no wonder he hasn't quite gotten "it" yet. There've been different reports from Cardinals beat writers about how he's tried to devote more time to the game and has "impressed teammates" with his "newfound" work ethic, but again, this is something we just don't know for sure. And quite frankly, even if he [i]has[/i] turned the corner, it might be too little, too late for his career.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Ugh, now I kind of see why they would let St. Pierre compete for the #2 spot with Leinart. I don't think Leinart has earned the right to party like a celebrity, when all he is is a top 10 bust with an attitude problem.

[berad]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='15 August 2009 - 06:18 PM' timestamp='1250374735' post='219928']
I don't think it's just injuries, but also his alleged work ethic that derailed his career. Granted, this is all speculation and heresay, but there were rumblings that Leinart expected the job handed to him over Warner and he was completely floored when Warner legitimately outperformed him. Additionally, there's a lot of doubt as to whether Leinart really put the kind of effort into the job that you want to see from the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or whoever this guy was being compared to. He was certainly no Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco when it came to film study as a rookie.

Of course, none of us know if this is really true -- [b]but those pictures of him partying during the offseason were pretty damning. Sure, the offseason is his private time and he's a grown man, but if he's also partying like that [i]during[/i] the season, then no wonder he hasn't quite gotten "it" yet.[/b] There've been different reports from Cardinals beat writers about how he's tried to devote more time to the game and has "impressed teammates" with his "newfound" work ethic, but again, this is something we just don't know for sure. And quite frankly, even if he [i]has[/i] turned the corner, it might be too little, too late for his career.
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That's why you've got to love Joe Flacco, the guy who feels "out of place" at the prospect of clubbing lol

[theFRANCHISE]

Speaking to Leinart's party habits, there just seems to be a trend with these offensive skill players from USC recently. A lot of offensive rookies (again, skill players, not linemen) from USC come into the league expecting to be as explosive as they were in college. Yet Leinart, Reggie Bush, Dwayne Jarrett, Mike Williams, Keary Colbert, and others have been largely disappointing compared to their collegiate success. Only Carson Palmer has really broken that trend in terms of offensive skill players, and LenDale White is still on-the-fence because of his weight issues. But it seems as if all these SC stars come in and don't quite play as well when the onus is on them (and not the system) to perform.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='berad' date='15 August 2009 - 07:10 PM' timestamp='1250377856' post='219935']
That's why you've got to love Joe Flacco, the guy who feels "out of place" at the prospect of clubbing lol
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I'd have Flacco tag along with me on a night out, but I'd be afraid to cost us all a Super Bowl.

[AwakenTheDemon]

That's why I like having Flacco on our team. Thanks to his "boring", humble, down-to-earth attitude, you won't have to worry about off the field issues impacting his game. Flacco wants to play football, he wants to be the best. And he knows he has to work for it and study, not have it handed to him.

Maybe if Leinart has actually turned over a new leaf, and learned that he has to earn a starting position, by hard work and studying, then maybe he can redeem himself. But if his attitude hasn't changed for the better, I think he's done in the sense of being a productive quarterback.

[berad]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='15 August 2009 - 07:12 PM' timestamp='1250377953' post='219936']
Speaking to Leinart's party habits, there just seems to be a trend with these offensive skill players from USC recently. A lot of offensive rookies (again, skill players, not linemen) from USC come into the league expecting to be as explosive as they were in college. Yet Leinart, Reggie Bush, Dwayne Jarrett, Mike Williams, Keary Colbert, and others have been largely disappointing compared to their collegiate success. Only Carson Palmer has really broken that trend in terms of offensive skill players, and LenDale White is still on-the-fence because of his weight issues. But it seems as if all these SC stars come in and don't quite play as well when the onus is on them (and not the system) to perform.
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Yeah, that's a really good point, actually. Looking down the list of players from USC, there are very few offensive skill players that have succeeded. [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/college?letter=u"]Link[/url]. But there's guys like Palmer, Matt Cassel, Justin Fargas, and Steve Smith (NYG) that have become solid players in the league. You're right, though, the overwhelming majority of USC O-skill players have fizzled when they reach the bright lights of the NFL.

[YYZ66]

[quote name='berad' date='15 August 2009 - 08:23 PM' timestamp='1250378582' post='219939']
Yeah, that's a really good point, actually. Looking down the list of players from USC, there are very few offensive skill players that have succeeded. [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/college?letter=u"]Link[/url]. But there's guys like Palmer, Matt Cassel, Justin Fargas, and Steve Smith (NYG) that have become solid players in the league. You're right, though, the overwhelming majority of USC O-skill players have fizzled when they reach the bright lights of the NFL.
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Like most "football factory, major colleges", doesn't USC play an extremely easy schedule each year? Typically, these major schools play 12 games, 8 are against teams that have no business being on the same field. imo, that's why a lot of these guys have ridiculous stats in college, and are average at best in the NFL. Most college games they compete against high school talent, that's certainly not the case with the NFL.

[J-man]

I'm not too surprised know that the current coaching staff isnt the one that drafted him.

[RavensClaw52]

in the past 20 years, what college is the best for breeding NFL stars, not players that shine for a year or 2 and then bust but players who are consistently on the radar, i would go ahead and be comfortable in saying miami, who else?

[mhead66]

[quote name='RavensClaw52' date='16 August 2009 - 02:27 PM' timestamp='1250447253' post='220075']
in the past 20 years, what college is the best for breeding NFL stars, not players that shine for a year or 2 and then bust but players who are consistently on the radar, i would go ahead and be comfortable in saying [b]miami[/b], who else?
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Miami produced Ray Ray and Reed, not to mention McGahee... but also gave us Heisman QBs Vinny Testaverde and the prolific Gino Torreta... and Maxwell winner QB Ken Dorsey.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='RavensClaw52' date='16 August 2009 - 02:27 PM' timestamp='1250447253' post='220075']
in the past 20 years, what college is the best for breeding NFL stars, not players that shine for a year or 2 and then bust but players who are consistently on the radar, i would go ahead and be comfortable in saying miami, who else?
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you could possibly make an arguement for OU

[Purple Punishment]

The U.......However I think any SEC team nowadays will produce a good NFL Athlete. I do not consider USC a top 10 school, but they somehow always find their way to the top 5 by beating teams that are not elite. Its easy to shine against weak opponents. If USC was in the SEC they wouldnt be a top 25 team. SEC is such a strong conference now. Leinart a few years ago when interviewed said that the team needs to stick with me and let me fall and make my mistakes. If I am the QB they need to support me. I cant quote those words exactly but he sounded like a baby back b#&$% if you catch my drift. Its easy to assume that he could become a career backup. He hasnt proven anything during his career.

[thewarden86]

[quote]What Happened To Leinart? [/quote]

He left the comforts of his college program and can't seem to hack the pro's. [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif[/img]

[YYZ66]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='18 August 2009 - 07:51 PM' timestamp='1250635863' post='221005']
He left the comforts of his college program and can't seem to hack the pro's. [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif[/img]
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That about sums it up, doesn't it? I think a lot of these guys that dominated in college just expect to throw their helmet on the field and keep dominating in the pros. That's just not gonna happen.

[Wacco4Flacco]

If Leinart gets cut Ozzie should make this jump to get him. He will be the Ravens 3rd string QB. Then we might have the Best QB group in the NFL.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Wacco4Flacco' date='19 August 2009 - 10:24 PM' timestamp='1250735044' post='221398']
If Leinart gets cut Ozzie should make this jump to get him. He will be the Ravens 3rd string QB. Then we might have the Best QB group in the NFL.
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[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif[/img]

[J-man]

[quote name='Wacco4Flacco' date='19 August 2009 - 10:24 PM' timestamp='1250735044' post='221398']
If Leinart gets cut Ozzie should make this jump to get him. He will be the Ravens 3rd string QB. Then we might have the Best QB group in the NFL.
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Too bad it only take 1 quarterback to win...

Anyway, so that '06 draft wasn't as legendary after all...

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='JO_75' date='16 August 2009 - 08:59 AM' timestamp='1250366381' post='219883']
Does this mean Leinart is officially a BUST? I mean for him to go from starter to third string is pretty bad. With Warner under a new 2 year deal, I would think Arizona will be drafting a new young QB next year to be the new starter and lead Arizona into the future. I just don't think Leinart will have what it takes to do that, but just like with the [b]Texans where Andre Johnson deserves better than Matt[/b][b] Schaub[/b], Fitzgerald and Boldin deserve much better than Matt Leinart when Warner retires.
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What's wrong with Matt Schaub? If that guy can cut down on turnovers, he'll be a pro bowl calibre QB.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='J-man' date='20 August 2009 - 12:39 AM' timestamp='1250743183' post='221446']
Anyway, so that '06 draft wasn't as legendary after all...
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AMEN! Everyone ragged on Houston for not taking Reggie Bush and look how hes doing compared to Mario Williams performance for the Texans. Young, Leinart, or Bush has done nothing to live up to the expatations of the teams that drafted them.

[TSizzle00]

What happen the Leinart?

What happen was they figured out he was a bust when he couldn't perform even with 2 #1 WRs in Fitz and Bolden..