For You Boller Bashers.

[saved72907]

I have one question. Would everyone be back on the bash Boller bandwagon had we won the game? I'm sick of it. Billick is the reason every QB we've had on this team hasn't been effective. This offense has done way more with Boller at the helm than McNair. Admit it, you know it's true. No, Boller didn't make a perfect throw every time yesterday. But have you seen McNair? I'm sick of hearing about these injury EXCUSES. I promise you, when it comes time to play the Steelers, McNair will claim to be healthy, and I promise you, he will not play well. He wasn't even that good last year, look at his stats. Boller and the offense moved the ball well at times on Sunday, and put up 2 td's. That's way better than what we're used to. Just keep on knocking Boller, but I can assure you that it wouldn't matter if our QB was Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or the ghost of Johnny U. We have Billick as a play caller. I'm just sick of everyone picking away at every single flaw or misque by Boller. He could have done better, but it could have been much worse.

[athena raven]

I have one question. Would everyone be back on the bash Boller bandwagon had we won the game? I'm sick of it. Billick is the reason every QB we've had on this team hasn't been effective. This offense has done way more with Boller at the helm than McNair. Admit it, you know it's true. No, Boller didn't make a perfect throw every time yesterday. But have you seen McNair? I'm sick of hearing about these injury EXCUSES. I promise you, when it comes time to play the Steelers, McNair will claim to be healthy, and I promise you, he will not play well. He wasn't even that good last year, look at his stats. Boller and the offense moved the ball well at times on Sunday, and put up 2 td's. That's way better than what we're used to. Just keep on knocking Boller, but I can assure you that it wouldn't matter if our QB was Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or the ghost of Johnny U. We have Billick as a play caller. I'm just sick of everyone picking away at every single flaw or misque by Boller. He could have done better, but it could have been much worse.

This team has only one chance to be effective, like it was last year and that is with Steve McNair at the helm, not Kyle Boller. I watched Cutler and Rothlesberger Sunday night, and they are both smooth QB's, good at play action and with good touch on their passes. Boller's only real effective passes are bullets, like the one he hit for a TD, any long passes are always underthrown, and any long passes down the sideline are always out of bounds.

Kyle Boller is not to blame for the Ravens being 4-3, it's an entire team problem.

Steve McNair had only 3 bad games last year; @ Denver, @ Cincinnati, and the Colts game; why he hasn't played well this year is anyones guess.

But Kyle Boller is and always will be a C-rated QB. Decent at home (15-4), but lousy on the road (5-13).

But I do agree with you on the play calling, and from what I just saw on ESPN News, Ray Lewis is not happy about it either, and I'm glad he let that be known.

[Raven07]

ummm i would have to say the exact same as you did in your first sentence

"Would everyone be back on the bash Boller bandwagon had we won the game?"

The Same concept would be for the McNair doubters out there, if he plays well and our offense continues to produce those yards (remember even when McNair was playing, our offense had more total yards than the other team in the game)

[buckeyewayne]

I have one question. Would everyone be back on the bash Boller bandwagon had we won the game? I'm sick of it. Billick is the reason every QB we've had on this team hasn't been effective. This offense has done way more with Boller at the helm than McNair. Admit it, you know it's true. No, Boller didn't make a perfect throw every time yesterday. But have you seen McNair? I'm sick of hearing about these injury EXCUSES. I promise you, when it comes time to play the Steelers, McNair will claim to be healthy, and I promise you, he will not play well. He wasn't even that good last year, look at his stats. Boller and the offense moved the ball well at times on Sunday, and put up 2 td's. That's way better than what we're used to. Just keep on knocking Boller, but I can assure you that it wouldn't matter if our QB was Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or the ghost of Johnny U. We have Billick as a play caller. I'm just sick of everyone picking away at every single flaw or misque by Boller. He could have done better, but it could have been much worse.

I'm no longer a Boller basher but I am now and will always be a "Billick basher"

because he will not take any advice from

anyone and thinks he knows it all and really knows nothing. My 8 year old grandson

could call better plays than he does, who couldn't? 3 pass plays to go for 1 yard,

what kind of mentality is that and then we wonder why we don't win games? As long

as Mr. Offensive Genius is in the driver's seat, we will not see the playoffs again.

We need another coach with some clock managing ability and someone who has

a playbook that isn't found on a kindergarten playground. COME ON STEVE!

get a clue, bring someone in that knows out to find the

end zone, unless you really don't care about winning and of course we already

have one owner in town like that.

[buckeyewayne]

This team has only one chance to be effective, like it was last year and that is with Steve McNair at the helm, not Kyle Boller. I watched Cutler and Rothlesberger Sunday night, and they are both smooth QB's, good at play action and with good touch on their passes. Boller's only real effective passes are bullets, like the one he hit for a TD, any long passes are always underthrown, and any long passes down the sideline are always out of bounds.

Kyle Boller is not to blame for the Ravens being 4-3, it's an entire team problem.

Steve McNair had only 3 bad games last year; @ Denver, @ Cincinnati, and the Colts game; why he hasn't played well this year is anyones guess.

But Kyle Boller is and always will be a C-rated QB. Decent at home (15-4), but lousy on the road (5-13).

But I do agree with you on the play calling, and from what I just saw on ESPN News, Ray Lewis is not happy about it either, and I'm glad he let that be known.

Soon, there is gonna be a revolt in the locker room because we are wasting too many

chances to score with stupidity. You may check all of the other 31 teams in the NFL

and you won't find another coach that calls um like old Brian does. They went from

6 and 10 two years ago to 13 and 3 last year (obviously that was done with smoke and

mirrors) and will be back to 6 and 10 or 7 and 9 this year. In the entire time Mr.

Offense has been here, there has been NO excitement or difference in the offense.

Would any other owner put up with this, I think not!!!! Half of these rejects couldn't

even play for Bill Belichick because he wouldn't put up with all the chest beating and

strutting after they tackle one guy, or pile up 11 penalties for ignorant mistakes.

I think they're all stuck on stupid and it's a reflection of poor coaching. COME ON

STEVE, wake up the fans deserve far better than we are getting. If I was a season

ticket holder, I would be asking for a refund on the grounds the team is a fraud!!!

[Conrad The Crazed]

Are you kidding me? Have you WATCHED Boller play at all? This guy has been on the squad for several years, and has shown little to no improvement from day 1. His mechanics are horrible, he plays in panic-stricken mode the entire game, terrible ball control (fumblerooski), etc etc. For a supposed veteran QB, this level of play is entirely unacceptable for a pro NFL team. However, Billick fell in love and the resulting romance has ensured that we've been stuck with him this long. Once again, the 'genius' who brought us Grbac, Blake, and Wright has foisted Kyle Boller on us for YEARS.

Now, for all you Boller homers...ask yourselves this: How much BETTER would the offense be if they had a guy like Matt Schaub or Jay Cutler under center? Or why was Derek Anderson never given a chance? Apparently he's enjoying life in Cleveland...CLEVELAND! Billick has shown he will not pull the trigger and replace Boller permanently with anyone who might threaten him long term (Anderson..gone. Olsen...gone). Instead, he goes out and brings in guys like Troy Smith, who we've seen handle the closest thing to an NFL pass rush when he played Florida in the National Title game...by completely melting down. Yeah, there's a reason this Heismann winner didn't get picked by anyone until we took him in the zillionth round.

Rest assured, if Smith starts to develop into a real QB threat, he'll be dealt away quickly in the offseason. Think about it folks, it all starts with Billick, but Boller is a Grade-A BUST.

[Ravens549]

If I was a season

ticket holder, I would be asking for a refund on the grounds the team is a fraud!!!

Really?

I am and have been since the Memorial Stadium days (the beginning).

A fraud? Geesh! Exactly, how long have you been a Ravens' fan?

[dsizzle007]

Have you ever even played football? or you just talking out of your ***? Come on now, do you realize how hard it is to play with a groin injury? Mcnair has been hurt since the second series of the year. Kyle is a GREAT backup, i agree totally, and hes played key for us. And im glad hes been there to lead our team the past few weeks. Boller didnt do good his first years in baltimore cause of the stress he was put under HAVING to start. Thats not billicks fault, you cant put that on him.

[dsizzle007]

My fault i appologize for being rude. Im just tired of hearing all the damn negativity. Its not injury "excuses" , its facts. The offense was built this off season being relative to having all our key players "healthy"... naturally , they are not. So its a difficult time in adjusting. Im proud of what billick has put together, we're battling for 1st in the division, we're almost healthy going into PIT, and we're above .500. IMO, we are surviving, and thats all we can honestly ask for.

[Drkraven]

I agree with you, I was happy they could field enough players last Sunday.

BTW groin pulls are a **** to deal with, I spent 2 pregnancies with one and was no mood to play football

[dsizzle007]

Hahaha Drk, see. that **** isnt easy ; ; . I couldnt imagine throwing a football as a quarterback with that injury. I like Mcnair, he gave us a winning season last year... actually wait.... he gave us our BEST FRANCHISE RECORD last year. There honestly cant be any better, more capable backup in the league right now other then Boller. Im looking forward to seeing everyone healthy. Im sure the entire message board will be talking about "god i wish we stayed healthy all year, cause this OWNS"

[Jesse Conroy]

Just keep on knocking Boller, but I can assure you that it wouldn't matter if our QB was Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or the ghost of Johnny U. We have Billick as a play caller.

Billick isn't that bad. Anyone of those guys would improve our offense outrageously.

But yeah, we can't start hounding Boller. Play calling does suck, and I hope either McNair or Boller can get it done when we meet Pittsburgh.

[dsizzle007]

Amen Jesse

[saved72907]

Hahaha Drk, see. that **** isnt easy ; ; . I couldnt imagine throwing a football as a quarterback with that injury. I like Mcnair, he gave us a winning season last year... actually wait.... he gave us our BEST FRANCHISE RECORD last year. There honestly cant be any better, more capable backup in the league right now other then Boller. Im looking forward to seeing everyone healthy. Im sure the entire message board will be talking about "god i wish we stayed healthy all year, cause this OWNS"

Yeah, that record was all McNair's doing. Ok, whatever.

[saved72907]

Thank you Mr. Byrne........

" QB Kyle Boller: he gives us everything he has. He

[buckeyewayne]

Really?

I am and have been since the Memorial Stadium days (the beginning).

A fraud? Geesh! Exactly, how long have you been a Ravens' fan?

Long enough to know that they are Pretenders instead of Contenders

and the coach has an ego bigger than his ability..

[buckeyewayne]

My fault i appologize for being rude. Im just tired of hearing all the damn negativity. Its not injury "excuses" , its facts. The offense was built this off season being relative to having all our key players "healthy"... naturally , they are not. So its a difficult time in adjusting. Im proud of what billick has put together, we're battling for 1st in the division, we're almost healthy going into PIT, and we're above .500. IMO, we are surviving, and thats all we can honestly ask for.

Believe me, mark my words.........since you want to give so many excuses and

alibis (just like Billick) when the playoffs start, The Ravens will be home

watching it on TV planning for next year's "vanilla" offense.

[buckeyewayne]

Billick isn't that bad. Anyone of those guys would improve our offense outrageously.

But yeah, we can't start hounding Boller. Play calling does suck, and I hope either McNair or Boller can get it done when we meet Pittsburgh.

What do you mean, Billick isn't that bad!!! What games have you been watching?

He's the worst clock manager in the NFL and what other idiot calls 3 straight pass

plays when you only need to run for one stinking yard. And who throws a challenge

flag out 5 minutes after the play is over? This team is going NO WHERE with Egomaniac

man in charge. He doesn't have a clue what plays to call. Bring in Cowher, he knows

how to get the job done and would get rid of some of the "slackers" we have.

[buckeyewayne]

Thank you Mr. Byrne........

" QB Kyle Boller: he gives us everything he has. He

[T-Sizzle55]

Soon, there is gonna be a revolt in the locker room because we are wasting too many

chances to score with stupidity. You may check all of the other 31 teams in the NFL

and you won't find another coach that calls um like old Brian does. They went from

6 and 10 two years ago to 13 and 3 last year (obviously that was done with smoke and

mirrors) and will be back to 6 and 10 or 7 and 9 this year. In the entire time Mr.

Offense has been here, there has been NO excitement or difference in the offense.

Would any other owner put up with this, I think not!!!! Half of these rejects couldn't

even play for Bill Belichick because he wouldn't put up with all the chest beating and

strutting after they tackle one guy, or pile up 11 penalties for ignorant mistakes.

I think they're all stuck on stupid and it's a reflection of poor coaching. COME ON

STEVE, wake up the fans deserve far better than we are getting. If I was a season

ticket holder, I would be asking for a refund on the grounds the team is a fraud!!!

If you don't like being a Raven's fan move to Indianapolis and wear short sleeves to a game because they play in a dome. You can jump on the Pats bandwagon too, because the only FRAUD here is YOU! I AM a fan NO MATTER what! You don't think this is frustrating? Hell yes it is! But this is football! We're not 7-0 like we all think we should be, but we are not the worst team either. We have beaten some good teams. The truth is we're hurt and we have an entirely new offensive line except for 2 players with limited experience from last year.

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Some PROs are: We are in 2nd place in our devision with over half the season left. We can still be up for a wild card. We still get 100 yrds rushing and 200 yards passing. We have not been shut out. We have a bye before a BIG division game. All our starters will be practicing and are comming back.

Some CONSs are: Too many penalties, bad play calling, bad clock management, trouble scoring in the redzone, secondary repeatedly gives up big plays, many players out due to injury, and many playing hurt. We have had 10 starters who have been out and several playing hurt. Ray has been playing hurt since the 1st game cause he's a worrior like that, C-Mac was playing on a hurt ankle for 3 weeks, Heap, Clayton, Williams played hurt, and prolly much more than that. We have 2 starters who might be out for the entire season.

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The PROs are great to build on and the CONs are definately fixable if we work hard enough and keep our focus during the next game. We had a BIG turn around last year and we can do it again. Just imagine how good we'd be if we didn't have ANY penalties. I'd be freakin sweet, like playing madden 08 on rookie! Billick is our coach for the rest of the season and he had his contract extended last year, so him leaving is out of the question (not that I haven't double checked that lol!). We won't know our real potential until we are healthy and we play a good team. We obviously didn't take buffalo serious AT ALL and look what happened, but we do play the tough teams very hard. Players can get injured, but the fans need to always stay healthy. It's frustrating being a Raven's fan I know, but it weeds out the bandwagon jumpers, cause they wouldn't last two weeks. This team is build for only the real fans. So for the next game lets paint ourselves purple and scream so loud we shatter all the windows from here to Pittsburgh! -And you can quote this Raven!

[saved72907]

Have you ever even played football? or you just talking out of your ***? Come on now, do you realize how hard it is to play with a groin injury? Mcnair has been hurt since the second series of the year. Kyle is a GREAT backup, i agree totally, and hes played key for us. And im glad hes been there to lead our team the past few weeks. Boller didnt do good his first years in baltimore cause of the stress he was put under HAVING to start. Thats not billicks fault, you cant put that on him.

Yes, I played in high school. Anyway, if McNair fails against the Steelers is it still gonna be blamed on the groin injury? Or the stiff back, or maybe a hang-nail? The man had a colorful career, but he's done, and by starting him, I feel that we're just feeding a dead horse.

[Raven07]

IF McNair Fails against the Steelers thats a big IF, besides, there are alot more things you look at as well, not JUST the Quarterback play....heck you have to look at the O-Line's blocking, and them letting defenders into the backfield before McNair has time to set himself and look at his options, sacking McNair and what not, are we gonna blame McNair then? Hell no....I feel as though we (the Ravens) as a TEAM, not one sided here, a TEAM, will come up big this game. with players on both sides of the ball coming up with Big, crucial and potentially Game changing plays that could decide the game

[itlstl7]

I have debated the whole McNair and Boller situation over and over again and lately I have come to this conclusion... McNair is not done or unable to play anymore... but being on the Ravens has made him look worse then he really is... we can't expect Mcnair to throw bombs down the field and scramble away from the pressure a beatup O line will cause... but... thats what the Ravens need right now and thats why alot of people are hating on McNair... I'll admit I did it on the board earlier in the season... this doesnt mean McNair is a terrible qb or that he is done and should retire... to me it just means that Boller might be a better fit for our current team... also, like mentioned before... Billick will make any qb look bad right now...

Mcnair has brought us down the field numerous times and not turned the ball over that much... he has shown he can still play... and deserves some respect... put him on the Patriots and he would be leading the league in every offensive category haha

[Raven07]

i believe that with the Return of a healthy core of Starters, and a Refreshed Offensive AND Defensive Unit.....we will be a force, i mean we're hungry for a win, we're refreshed and healthy, both sides of the ball will be looking to make big plays and possibly a Game-changing play in our favor, the players are/will be eager to get going and give it everything they've got.....and everything else positive about this team coming off this bye week.

[raven85345]

Thats the spirit yeah had boller completed even 1 of those three passes who knows what would have happened its not all Billicks fault look where he has this franchise in just the short time weve been back in the league and remember how much this league hates OUR city by the bay...........HOW COME NO ONE COMPLAINS ABOUT THE HORRIBLE CALLS WE CONTINUALLY GET EVERY STINKIN YEAR BY THE REFS 10 points off 2 not even close pass int calls and even a procedure call that billick went and showed the line judge with a pre snap still that he was WRONG!!! its not all his fault no one could try and be that bad lol

[Raven07]

lol we have been, just not like a Hot Topic around here lol, But yes the ref's just seem to get worse with our team each year, guess it goes along with the whole idea that we're one of the most hated Teams in the NFL. idk why though cuz we're exactly like the others, i can see why the Browns dont really like us and our Rival's but the Entire NFL? come on, its ludacris! and yet we still mange to get down the field, for the most part. Some of the Calls against us are at times, REALLY REALLY bizarre and awkward, like the Offensive Pass interference call in the Endzone in the game last week or 2 ago. But i guess another reason why we havent been talking about the Ref's is simply because there 's no posted "topoc" about it and This thread is about Kyle Boller, not the Ref's, so we're staying on topic

[Slick]

i believe that with the Return of a healthy core of Starters, and a Refreshed Offensive AND Defensive Unit.....we will be a force, i mean we're hungry for a win, we're refreshed and healthy, both sides of the ball will be looking to make big plays and possibly a Game-changing play in our favor, the players are/will be eager to get going and give it everything they've got.....and everything else positive about this team coming off this bye week.

we really need C-mac back, Rolle won't be able to hold off the steelers by himself. our cornerbacks need to be healthy so we can bring the pain to Roffleburger. if Rolle or McCalister is out, then we lose our edge because we dont bring as much pressure. with Pryce back and a rejuvenated team on both sides of the ball I hope we can kick some steeler a** this week.

[Raven07]

C-Mac will be back, as will the rest of the injured/wounded Ravens.....all will be for the most part back to full health and strength ready to make plays...besides (and im sure C-Mac will most definately agree with me on this one) its not up to just One Player to make up a Defense or Offense, It Takes a Combination of all 11 players on your side of the ball, working in unison and working cooperatively and together, with each player knowing each of his teammates moves and what they'll do and what not.

[Slick]

C-Mac will be back, as will the rest of the injured/wounded Ravens.....all will be for the most part back to full health and strength ready to make plays...besides (and im sure C-Mac will most definately agree with me on this one) its not up to just One Player to make up a Defense or Offense, It Takes a Combination of all 11 players on your side of the ball, working in unison and working cooperatively and together, with each player knowing each of his teammates moves and what they'll do and what not.

of course its not 1 player that makes the team, but when your defense RELIES on their corners to perform always at a very high level because they play a LOT of man to man coverage due to our blitzing defensive scheme, you need FOUR high quality defensive backs, which we have in Reed, Landry, C-Mac, and Rolle. Ivy plays well when he's at the nickel position but as a starting corner he has proven to be inefficient. He makes plays but he does get burnt. A lot. with a completely healthy secondary our defense is just downright scary. take out our cornerbacks however and we are VERY vulnerable to the deep ball because we drop our backers, who are predominantly blizting backers, into coverage where their strengths are neutralized. any good quarterback who has time to read the coverage can pick apart a weakened secondary. It is usually not so with the Ravens for the sole purpose that we can get to the quarterback, however due to injuries to both our line and secondary we have been very VERy vulerable and it has shown with a 4-3 record. we are most definately not supposed to be a 4-3 team but key injuries have hurt us bad. Wether Boller or a healthy McNair plays QB for us doesn't matter to me. McNair can't sling it 80 yards but he has some deep ball capability when he's NOT hampered by a groin or back or fingernail injury of any sort. Plus his poise does give us an advantage under pressure. Boller has shown some consistency and has made some very impressive throws in the starts he's made. The offense even looks a little more creative with him at the helm. However I think this second half of the season will be interesting because I think we will start coming together, whoever it is that comes in (the "next man up" theory), and I think we will be a team to contend with. The Steelers game comin' up is the perfect opportunity for the Ravens to prove me right (or very very wrong).

I don't think I'm going out on a limb though when I say that the Ravens are a damn good team.

They will be amazing once they start acting as one. BS penalties and poor execution are going to have to stop, and now that the Ravens have a tough schedule ahead mixed with an intense sense of urgency, I think the best will be brought out in them and I really think they will rise to the occasion. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that if our injury plague ends following this bye and we get a few more wins under our belt with pit, cle, and cin, then we may even be the ones to down the Pats. Yeah I said it, I think when our team is 100%, that our defense could stop the pats. By the time we play them, we will have LOADS of tape on them and with our veteran leadership we can potentially disrupt what the pats are doing and if our offense doesnt floudner we could pull out a W. they can only be that damned perfect for so long.

[72Marshall]

Are you kidding me? Have you WATCHED Boller play at all? This guy has been on the squad for several years, and has shown little to no improvement from day 1. His mechanics are horrible, he plays in panic-stricken mode the entire game, terrible ball control (fumblerooski), etc etc. For a supposed veteran QB, this level of play is entirely unacceptable for a pro NFL team. However, Billick fell in love and the resulting romance has ensured that we've been stuck with him this long. Once again, the 'genius' who brought us Grbac, Blake, and Wright has foisted Kyle Boller on us for YEARS.

Now, for all you Boller homers...ask yourselves this: How much BETTER would the offense be if they had a guy like Matt Schaub or Jay Cutler under center? Or why was Derek Anderson never given a chance? Apparently he's enjoying life in Cleveland...CLEVELAND! Billick has shown he will not pull the trigger and replace Boller permanently with anyone who might threaten him long term (Anderson..gone. Olsen...gone). Instead, he goes out and brings in guys like Troy Smith, who we've seen handle the closest thing to an NFL pass rush when he played Florida in the National Title game...by completely melting down. Yeah, there's a reason this Heismann winner didn't get picked by anyone until we took him in the zillionth round.

Rest assured, if Smith starts to develop into a real QB threat, he'll be dealt away quickly in the offseason. Think about it folks, it all starts with Billick, but Boller is a Grade-A BUST.

Maybe you should learn the chain of command before you spout off uninformed comments.

Billick doesn't draft or sign anyone. Once you learn that then maybe you can add something and make your post worth reading.