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[lowrider]

Flacco is known for his rifle arm. And Smith always throws it high because he has to throw it over the offensive line. And the announcers were talking during the jets game were talking about flaccos accuracy.

[JEEPercreepermd]

tweety, on 26 August 2009 - 04:31 PM, said:

You assumed "only" Flacco may have accuracy but what other attributes are needed for a QB to be successful. Accuracy and Arm Strength is 1 and 2 respectively.

My point is that Flacco is clearly a more talented quarterback. I'm not saying that Troy isn't or that the Ravens wouldn't have a chance to win with him starting. I'm just saying that Flacco is the starting quarterback for a reason. That reason has nothing to do with his confidence,money,or anything else. It's because he gives the Ravens the best chance to win. Do the Ravens have 0 chance to win with Troy Smith? No. The Ravens staff supports that evidenced by them getting Smith into the game plan. I'm sure if they thought they would win the Superbowl if only Troy Smith were the starting quarterback, he would be.

[lowrider]

JEEPercreepermd, on 26 August 2009 - 04:43 PM, said:

My point is that Flacco is clearly a more talented quarterback. I'm not saying that Troy isn't or that the Ravens wouldn't have a chance to win with him starting. I'm just saying that Flacco is the starting quarterback for a reason. That reason has nothing to do with his confidence,money,or anything else. It's because he gives the Ravens the best chance to win. Do the Ravens have 0 chance to win with Troy Smith? No. The Ravens staff supports that evidenced by them getting Smith into the game plan. I'm sure if they thought they would win the Superbowl if only Troy Smith were the starting quarterback, he would be.

Exactly. Perfect. very well said

[tweety]

JEEPercreepermd, on 26 August 2009 - 04:43 PM, said:

My point is that Flacco is clearly a more talented quarterback. I'm not saying that Troy isn't or that the Ravens wouldn't have a chance to win with him starting. I'm just saying that Flacco is the starting quarterback for a reason. That reason has nothing to do with his confidence,money,or anything else. It's because he gives the Ravens the best chance to win. Do the Ravens have 0 chance to win with Troy Smith? No. The Ravens staff supports that evidenced by them getting Smith into the game plan. I'm sure if they thought they would win the Superbowl if only Troy Smith were the starting quarterback, he would be.

Yamon Figurs and Braylon Edwards are clearly more talented then Derrick Mason doesn't make them a better Wide Receiver. But I do agree Flacco is clearly a more talented quarterback.

[lowrider]

tweety, on 26 August 2009 - 05:10 PM, said:

Yamon Figurs and Braylon Edwards are clearly more talented then Derrick Mason doesn't make them a better Wide Receiver. But I do agree Flacco is clearly a more talented quarterback.

What are you talking about? Figurs? Better than one of the best route runners in the game? Really? Are you really saying that Flacco makes bad decisions? Well after Smith making a million bad throws last game you might want to rethink that. And ok his line was bad but you can only make that excuse so much. He should have been intercepted a lot more than he was. You have this image of Troy Smith of him being so much better than he really is.

[SackinU]

Smith would be an ideal starter for several teams in the league, I would say Detroit and St. Louis, just to name two, but here he is behind a young man who will be the starter for years to come, barring injury or idiocy. Smith has game, Flacco is a starter on the Ravens...

[tweety]

lowrider, on 26 August 2009 - 07:12 PM, said:

What are you talking about? Figurs? Better than one of the best route runners in the game? Really? Are you really saying that Flacco makes bad decisions? Well after Smith making a million bad throws last game you might want to rethink that. And ok his line was bad but you can only make that excuse so much. He should have been intercepted a lot more than he was. You have this image of Troy Smith of him being so much better than he really is.

No, I'm not saying Figurs is better than one of the best route runners in the game. I'm saying he is more gifted and talented.

Troy Smith only threw the ball 9 times in the last game. If you looked at the video I posted...

you would see there were atleast 2 drops, one which was right on the numbers.

[lowrider]

tweety, on 26 August 2009 - 07:33 PM, said:

No, I'm not saying Figurs is better than one of the best route runners in the game. I'm saying he is more gifted and talented.

Troy Smith only threw the ball 9 times in the last game. If you looked at the video I posted...

you would see there were atleast 2 drops, one which was right on the numbers.

That has nothing to do with Flacco vs Smith. Figurs is not really more gifted. Maybe faster. But that's it.

Flacco has to deal with the same receivers and deals with drops too. This is a lost cause. You don't want to face facts. You have your mind made up. If Smith was better he would be starting. The fact remains he is the backup.

[smashmouth]

SackinU, on 26 August 2009 - 07:32 PM, said:

Smith would be an ideal starter for several teams in the league, I would say Detroit and St. Louis, just to name two, but here he is behind a young man who will be the starter for years to come, barring injury or idiocy. Smith has game, Flacco is a starter on the Ravens...

Maybe the Jets should take a role on Smith. If i was Rex I would..
Stafford's better then Sanchez.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

tweety, on 26 August 2009 - 05:10 PM, said:

Yamon Figurs and Braylon Edwards are clearly more talented then Derrick Mason doesn't make them a better Wide Receiver. But I do agree Flacco is clearly a more talented quarterback.

What is that based on? Speed ratings on Madden? Mason has a proven track record of success and consistency, what have Edwards (barring one season) and Figurs done?

[tweety]

lowrider, on 26 August 2009 - 10:05 PM, said:

That has nothing to do with Flacco vs Smith. Figurs is not really more gifted. Maybe faster. But that's it.

Flacco has to deal with the same receivers and deals with drops too. This is a lost cause. You don't want to face facts. You have your mind made up. If Smith was better he would be starting. The fact remains he is the backup.

Figurs being more gifted than has nothing to do with Flacco vs. Smith but it was a response to Flacco being more gifted than Smith. Figurs is more physically more gifted than Mason. I'm confident if Figurs had the mentally of Mason he would be the most dangerous receiver in the league.

Getting back on track...
Troy Smith doesn't throw behind Oher, Gaithers, Yanda, Birk, or Grubbs. Smith doesn't throw to Mason or Rice. The step back he takes in Oline is greater than the step back opponents take in Dline.

Edited by tweety, 27 August 2009 - 05:59 AM.

[JEEPercreepermd]

tweety, on 27 August 2009 - 05:59 AM, said:

Figurs being more gifted than has nothing to do with Flacco vs. Smith but it was a response to Flacco being more gifted than Smith. Figurs is more physically more gifted than Mason. I'm confident if Figurs had the mentally of Mason he would be the most dangerous receiver in the league.

Getting back on track...
Troy Smith doesn't throw behind Oher, Gaithers, Yanda, Birk, or Grubbs. Smith doesn't throw to Mason or Rice. The step back he takes in Oline is greater than the step back opponents take in Dline.

The fact is (and i've said this several times) If Troy Smith really was better than Flacoo, it would have shown by now and he would be the starter. Remember there are people who get paid to evaluate these guys that know a heck of a lot more than you or I do, and I trust their judgement. Seems like you are taking the smallest things here and twisting them. Flacco is not only more talented, but he is clearly a better quarterback than Troy Smith.

[tweety]

JEEPercreepermd, on 27 August 2009 - 04:30 PM, said:

The fact is (and i've said this several times) If Troy Smith really was better than Flacoo, it would have shown by now and he would be the starter. Remember there are people who get paid to evaluate these guys that know a heck of a lot more than you or I do, and I trust their judgement. Seems like you are taking the smallest things here and twisting them. Flacco is not only more talented, but he is clearly a better quarterback than Troy Smith.

I wouldn't say the situation is clear, it may be black and white to you but it is shades closer to me. Whatever lets kill this thread until the next time he play. Maybe today.

[flynismo]

tweety, on 26 August 2009 - 07:33 PM, said:

No, I'm not saying Figurs is better than one of the best route runners in the game. I'm saying he is more gifted and talented.

Troy Smith only threw the ball 9 times in the last game. If you looked at the video I posted...

you would see there were atleast 2 drops, one which was right on the numbers.

He also hit a Jet's DB right on the numbers. Gave me flashbacks of Boller; was one of the worst passes we have seen in Baltimore in the past few years.

[flynismo]

tweety, on 29 August 2009 - 02:08 AM, said:

I wouldn't say the situation is clear, it may be black and white to you but it is shades closer to me. Whatever lets kill this thread until the next time he play. Maybe today.

Of course the situation is clear. The coaching staff showed how much faith they had in Smith when they traded up to draft Flacco in the first round. They then re-emphasized their faith in Flacco when they awarded him the starting job permanently.
What I'm curious about is on what basis are you putting Smith anywhere near Flacco's level? What has Smith done or accomplished to make you believe he would have half the success that Flacco has had? If you can't come up with anything outside of what he did in college, then there's really nothing to debate here.

[tweety]

flynismo, on 29 August 2009 - 02:24 AM, said:

He also hit a Jet's DB right on the numbers. Gave me flashbacks of Boller; was one of the worst passes we have seen in Baltimore in the past few years.

Of course the situation is clear.

What I'm curious about is on what basis are you putting Smith anywhere near Flacco's level? What has Smith done or accomplished to make you believe he would have half the success that Flacco has had? If you can't come up with anything outside of what he did in college, then there's really nothing to debate here.

You are really over exaggerating, that was not one of the worst passes in Ravens history. That statement is almost as ridiculous as you focusing on 1 of his 9 attempts. His other 8 attempts hit a Ravens player.

I stated Flacco being better than Smith isn't clear TO ME.

Recently, I have three pre-season game to judge the situation. I never watch Troy Smith in college. I only have his play as a Raven to judge. Half the success I'm sure Troy could have won 7 games last season.

[flynismo]

tweety, on 30 August 2009 - 11:13 AM, said:

You are really over exaggerating, that was not one of the worst passes in Ravens history. That statement is almost as ridiculous as you focusing on 1 of his 9 attempts. His other 8 attempts hit a Ravens player.

I stated Flacco being better than Smith isn't clear TO ME.

Recently, I have three pre-season game to judge the situation. I never watch Troy Smith in college. I only have his play as a Raven to judge. Half the success I'm sure Troy could have won 7 games last season.

Doesn't seem like an exaggeration to me to say that was one of the worst throws I've seen our QB's make in the last few years. It was terrible.

Can we both agree that Flacco has enjoyed tremendous success since being named the starter? Yes? Good, so then I'll move on to what I said before....

If you only have two games from his rookie season, a few cameo appearances last year, and three preseason games this year, then you really have no evidence to make an argument that he could have been anywhere near as successful as Flacco has been, since he has done almost nothing. My question was, what has Troy Smith done to make anyone believe that it isn't clear that Flacco isn't superior? Obviously, since as I said, he has done nothing, then it seems pretty clear to me that saying he could have been as successful as Flacco is unfounded speculation.

BTW- Flacco has far outperformed Smith this preseason (look at last night for example), so not sure why anyone would use that as an argument for Smith.

[Wildman]

As an Ohio State graduate, and a Troy Smith fan, I have watched Troy Smith mature as a football player over the years, but I am still not convinced he will be successful as a starting quarterback in the NFL. He was recruited as an athlete at Ohio State, not as a quarterback, and grew into the quarterback role through grit and perseverance, after dealing with some personal issues early on in this career there. He has developed a great attitude, and mental approach to the game, but clearly is not as mature as a quarterback as Flacco is at this point in his career.

Flacco's demonstrated that he clearly is the number one quarterback in Baltimore, with Smith being a quality backup. Troy will likely leave after this season and get his chance in training camp next spring. If he continues to polish his skills, he may very well get a chance to start somewhere next year, but in the meantime, I am happy that he's in a Ravens uniform.

[flynismo]

I'm not 100% convinced either, but from what I have seen, my gut tells me that Troy could start for several teams if he got a full year of seasoning under his belt. He has the physical talent, mental toughness and good attitude and work ethic to make it in the league, I think. If he does, I don't see him being a star; his arm strength is average and accuracy has a long way to go, but he's the kind of guy that you pull for because he has the whole "underdog" thing going for him.
I'm glad we have him as well; at worst, I think he will be an outstanding backup on any team in the league, so if anything happens to Unibrow, we wont have to go into panic mode.