Question About Clark From Pittsburg

[TheRavenouseD2008]

did he ever get fined or anything for the hit that now caused a new rule in the nfl the Ketchup rule also includes running backs as WR, now my other question will Clark last the season since this is his hitting style he did it in the Superbowl. how long till we see a suspension for this type of hit

[AwakenTheDemon]

I don't recall hearing anything about him getting fined. However, I was rather pissed off with the NFL after that heartbreaking loss, so it's possible a fine might have been imposed and I just haven't heard about it. But to my memory, I don't think his was fined.

[NJ_24]

No i dont believe he was fined he should have been tho for helmet to helmet

[darklight1216]

Steelers don't get fined for that kind of stuff.

[AwakenTheDemon]

It was obvious that Hines Ward was giving Clark some "advice" on how to block. Who would have known a Free Safety would have thrown a block on a halfback.

That's the beauty of Ward's playstyle, even defenders can use his playbook </sarcasm>

[RavensClaw52]

i cant wait to see the steelers whine and moan about the new rule, im glad our guys dont go illegal hit hunting everytime so they can get used to it better

[thewarden86]

Why would he have been fined?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='NJ_24' date='12 August 2009 - 10:54 AM' timestamp='1250088849' post='217927']
No i dont believe [b]he was fined he should have been tho for helmet to helmet[/b]
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I DON'T THINK SO! [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif[/img]

Clark was leading with his shoulder and MCGAHEE lowered HIS head!

[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='12 August 2009 - 01:16 PM' timestamp='1250097368' post='217991']
I DON'T THINK SO! [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif[/img]

Clark was leading with his shoulder and MCGAHEE lowered HIS head!
[/quote]

Tomato-Tomatoe, right?

McGahee may have ducked down but Clark was leading with his helmet the whole time, look at this video around 0:52, pause if you have to.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGRFqOipcTg"]Video[/url]

It's hard to argue against a camera.

[plesiosaur]

[quote name='berad' date='12 August 2009 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1250110065' post='218109']
Tomato-Tomatoe, right?

McGahee may have ducked down but Clark was leading with his helmet the whole time, look at this video around 0:52, pause if you have to.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGRFqOipcTg"]Video[/url]

It's hard to argue against a camera.
[/quote]

I was just going to post the same video. Clark was clearly leading with his helmet before Willis lowered his head, probably so he wouldn't get his jaw broken.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' date='12 August 2009 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1250110065' post='218109']
Tomato-Tomatoe, right? [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif[/img]

McGahee may have ducked down but Clark was leading with his helmet the whole time, look at this video around 0:52, pause if you have to.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGRFqOipcTg"]Video[/url]

It's hard to argue against a camera.
[/quote]



You see what you want to see I guess, but here is a fact: IT WAS NEVER AN ISSUE to anyone but [u]some[/u] Ravens fans.

Again, Clark was clearly not leading with his helmet. Mcgahee clearly lowered his just before impact.

[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='12 August 2009 - 05:03 PM' timestamp='1250110989' post='218121']
You see what you want to see I guess, but here is a fact: IT WAS NEVER AN ISSUE to anyone but [u]some[/u] Ravens fans.

Again, Clark was clearly not leading with his helmet. Mcgahee clearly lowered his just before impact.
[/quote]

It's not an issue to me, it's a fact. Clark was leading with his helmet, it's irrefutable, I'm not mad about it; it happens many times, unseen, during an NFL game.

[img]http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~wilkins/writing/GIF/0131-Spt-2CLRHit.jpg[/img]

There it is, bold as brass. It hurt a lot of Ravens fans because it was truly the final nail in the coffin of our great but short-coming season. Was it a clean hit? No. Did it matter in the overall outcome of the game? Probably not.

[thewarden86]

[img]http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~wilkins/writing/GIF/0131-Spt-2CLRHit.jpg[/img]


Clarks head is down yes, but his shoulder is pointing towards McGahee. This is as McGahee too is lowering his shoulder and his head. Helmet-to-helmet in this instance was incidental. There is no arguement.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='12 August 2009 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1250110989' post='218121']
You see what you want to see I guess, but here is a fact: IT WAS NEVER AN ISSUE to anyone but [u]some[/u] Ravens fans.

Again, Clark was clearly not leading with his helmet. Mcgahee clearly lowered his just before impact.
[/quote]

You clearly see Clark running towards McGahee with his head down. I'm sorry, but McGahee was protecting himself by lowering his head. Especially at the angle Clark was coming at. The crown of his helmet would have made contact with McGahee's jaw. Very similar to hits another Steeler puts on players.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' date='12 August 2009 - 05:11 PM' timestamp='1250111472' post='218126']
It's not an issue to me, it's a fact. Clark was leading with his helmet, it's irrefutable, I'm not mad about it; it happens many times, unseen, during an NFL game.

[img]http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~wilkins/writing/GIF/0131-Spt-2CLRHit.jpg[/img]

There it is, bold as brass. It hurt a lot of Ravens fans because it was truly the final nail in the coffin of our great but short-coming season. Was it a clean hit? No. Did it matter in the overall outcome of the game? Probably not.
[/quote]

HA! Open your eyes man. McGahee is coming in from Clarks right.
If McGahee doesn't lower his helmet, it's not helmet to helmet, but shoulder to chest.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='12 August 2009 - 05:15 PM' timestamp='1250111731' post='218130']
Dude, [b]you clearly see Clark running a McGahee head down.[/b] I'm sorry, but McGahee was protecting himself by lowering his head. [b]Especially at the angle Clark was coming at. The crown of his helmet would have made contact with McGahee's jaw.[/b] Very similar to hits another Steeler puts on players.
[/quote]

Head down, does not mean leading with the helmet. His head would have been "behind" his shoulder which would have hit McGahee in the chest. If I'm wrong, then why did the NFL choose not even to acknowledge it? They fined Clark for a hit on Welker and all he did there was leave his feet. Same hit, but Welker never saw it coming, so it was shoulder to chest.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Clark's helmet would still have made contact with the bottom of McGahee's head when he continued to follow through. He's not going to just bounce off of him. And you can tell Clark wasn't going to just run into him to knock him down while remaining on his feet. Either way it's a helmet-to-helmet.

EDIT:
Truth is, the whole instance is long over with. It's silly to continue to argue about it. We may as well start arguing about Holmes touchdown catch and whether or not the ball broke the plane. In the end, that season is over. A new season is starting. Let's just wait for the plays and hits from this year's season and argue over those.

[berad]

Did we just post the same picture with opposing analysis? Ravens/Steelers fan relationship in a nutshell, right there. Anyways, the NFL misses A LOT of things. Example 1: [i]"roughing the punter"[/i] dammit, that made me mad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6U1jP2cueU

[thewarden86]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='12 August 2009 - 05:21 PM' timestamp='1250112070' post='218135']
Clark's helmet would still have made contact with the bottom of McGahee's head when he continued to follow through. He's not going to just bounce off of him. And you can tell Clark wasn't going to just run into him to knock him down while remaining on his feet. Either way it's a helmet-to-helmet.
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I will NEVER agree with you. Not shown in these four pics is the position of McGahees head before he saw Clark. McGahee was more upright after turning after the catch. Clark was committed and McGahee's natural reaction was to get small so he could protect himself and he did that in an instant.
Conclusion: Incidental helmet-to-helmet caused by McGahee lowering his head. Ryan Clark did absolutely nothing wrong.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' date='12 August 2009 - 05:24 PM' timestamp='1250112250' post='218139']
Did we just post the same picture with opposing analysis? Ravens/Steelers fan relationship in a nutshell, right there. Anyways, the NFL misses A LOT of things. Example 1: [i]"roughing the punter"[/i] dammit, that made me mad.
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6U1jP2cueU"]http://www.youtube.c...h?v=S6U1jP2cueU[/url]
[/quote]


[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif[/img] Yes, we did. And well said.

I can't get you tube here. What game?

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='12 August 2009 - 04:25 PM' timestamp='1250112319' post='218141']
I will NEVER agree with you. Not shown in these four pics is the position of McGahees head before he saw Clark. McGahee was more upright after turning after the catch. Clark was committed and McGahee's natural reaction was to get small so he could protect himself and he did that in an instant.
Conclusion: Incidental helmet-to-helmet caused by McGahee lowering his head. Ryan Clark did absolutely nothing wrong.
[/quote]

I'm not intending to sway you to agree with me. And it, quite honestly, is of no concern to me if you do or not.

You saw one thing, as a Steeler fan.
I saw another, as a Raven fan.

As I said, to continue to argue over this is pointless. Last season is over with. I'm ready to wait for this year's controversial hits and plays to argue over.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='12 August 2009 - 05:28 PM' timestamp='1250112494' post='218144']
I'm not intending to sway you to agree with me. And it, quite honestly, is of no concern to me if you do or not.

You saw one thing, as a Steeler fan.
I saw another, as a Raven fan.

[b]As I said, to continue to argue over this is pointless. Last season is over with. I'm ready to wait for this year's controversial hits and plays to argue over.[/b]
[/quote]

To be honest, arguing over calls between us or to hear anyone else whine about it (see Patriots fans) is getting really old. I don't recall much of that in the 80's or before. The fact is, sometimes they go your way, and sometimes they don't. Close games always seem to open up the debate about the officiating and someone claiming that the other was handed the win. That is the biggest bunch of crap and totally detracts from the whole experience.

[plesiosaur]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='12 August 2009 - 05:35 PM' timestamp='1250112935' post='218146']
To be honest, arguing over calls between us or to hear anyone else whine about it (see Patriots fans) is getting really old. I don't recall much of that in the 80's or before. The fact is, sometimes they go your way, and sometimes they don't. Close games always seem to open up the debate about the officiating and someone claiming that the other was handed the win. That is the biggest bunch of crap and totally detracts from the whole experience.
[/quote]

Cause the NFL uses a lot more cameras at games now, also we didn't have HDTV then or Youtube so junkies like us can watch plays over and over and over again.

[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='12 August 2009 - 05:26 PM' timestamp='1250112370' post='218142']
[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif[/img] Yes, we did. And well said.

I can't get you tube here. What game?
[/quote]

Same game when Mitch Berger took a dive after NOT being touched by Edgar Jones. Refs called "roughing the kicker", the rest is history. I'm not bitter about it anymore, that's just how football and sports in general are.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='plesiosaur' date='12 August 2009 - 05:51 PM' timestamp='1250113894' post='218157']
Cause the NFL uses a lot more cameras at games now, also we didn't have HDTV then or Youtube so junkies like us can watch plays over and over and over again.
[/quote]


But it's only the calls at the end of the game or during a key drive etc. What about the second qtr of a game where a Raven is CLEARLY holding the Steeler WR? (or vice versa). We never seem to talk about those, review photos of those, examine videos of those. Yet, plays like that could have very well led to points making the game less close and the call we may be arguing about less meaningful.

It's all crap to me.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' date='12 August 2009 - 05:55 PM' timestamp='1250114143' post='218159']
Same game when Mitch Berger took a dive after NOT being touched by Edgar Jones. Refs called "roughing the kicker", the rest is history. I'm not bitter about it anymore, that's just how football and sports in general are.
[/quote]


Yep. That was a bad call. I'm sure you don't want me to reach into the archives and start pulling out all the breaks the Ravens got though....do you?

[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='12 August 2009 - 06:07 PM' timestamp='1250114845' post='218167']
Yep. That was a bad call. I'm sure you don't want me to reach into the archives and start pulling out all the breaks the Ravens got though....do you?
[/quote]

Nope. I'm content to let the football bounce however it pleases.. after a few weeks of fuming over, of course

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' date='12 August 2009 - 06:14 PM' timestamp='1250115278' post='218172']
Nope. I'm content to let the football bounce however it pleases.. after a few weeks of fuming over, of course [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif[/img]
[/quote]


Ditto. Yep, it makes ya mad, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. I agree.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='12 August 2009 - 04:55 PM' timestamp='1250114146' post='218160']
But it's only the calls at the end of the game or during a key drive etc. What about the second qtr of a game where a Raven is CLEARLY holding the Steeler WR? (or vice versa). We never seem to talk about those, review photos of those, examine videos of those. Yet, plays like that could have very well led to points making the game less close and the call we may be arguing about less meaningful.

It's all crap to me.
[/quote]

Yes, but they're not as exciting or appealing as game winning touchdowns or late in the game, game winning drives. I've heard people arguing over first half calls, but they'll always get overshadowed by game winning plays.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' date='12 August 2009 - 07:35 PM' timestamp='1250120106' post='218202']
Yes, but they're not as exciting or appealing as game winning touchdowns or late in the game, game winning drives. I've heard people arguing over first half calls, but they'll always get overshadowed by game winning plays.
[/quote]


Precisely the injustice. I think you'll also agree that if you don't want to leave it up the officials, then don't get into that position.