Could We Benefit Off Crabtree Situation

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[quote name='tweety' date='07 August 2009 - 01:11 PM' timestamp='1249665098' post='216243']
A lot of the greater Receivers have brought some type of controversy: Randy Moss, Terrel Owens, Roddy White, Anquan Boldin, Chad Johnson, and Brandon Marshall. All are top 15 talent in the current NFL league.

You don't think it is worth it to find out if Crabtree can one day make that list. Our 1st round pick next year will most likely be given to an unproven rookie. [b]Quiet and elite WR like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitz come a dime a dozen.[/b]
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What?! Then lets get one of those guys

Yes, some receivers bring controversy, but it doesn't work the other way around; being controversial does not make you a "great" receiver. Acting idiotically and threatening your team with ultimatums before you even sniff the practice field does not set up a prosperous career and doesn't endear you to any fan or organization in the NFL.

PS - Take White and Boldin off that list. Their character, work ethic, and off the field issues have never been in question.

[lowrider]

[quote name='tweety' date='07 August 2009 - 01:11 PM' timestamp='1249665098' post='216243']
A lot of the greater Receivers have brought some type of controversy: Randy Moss, Terrel Owens, Roddy White, Anquan Boldin, Chad Johnson, and Brandon Marshall. All are top 10 talent in the current NFL league.
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Exactly. Crabtree hasn't had off the field problems. He was the top wide receiver coming out. Why would we want to pass up on a guy who is the best coming out of college. If he gets paid he is not a problem. Why are we willing to take a chance on someone with legal problems and actual character issues (Brandon Marshall) but not on Crabtree? And I just saw on ESPN that Crabtree's agent didn't even know where the comment of sitting out the whole year came from.

[3headedmonster]

I wouldnt be against looking into it. Ok ok hes not proven in the NFL but he is proven as a talented football player. All WR come with a swagger and high self-confidence, thats what makes them unique. I feel like everyone is being way way to picky and saying "he doesnt play like a raven", it is starting to sound a little ignorant. I feel like we are all judging them way too much. I feel like Crabtree has a great career ahead and even though he hasnt practiced just look at him in college. We need a playmaker and he is one. And all of you know are #1 pick will be late in the 1st round so the trade would not be a blow to our front office. We all need to stop being closed minded and give guys a chance even though at first glance he might not be a "True Raven".

[tweety]

[quote name='lowrider' date='07 August 2009 - 01:21 PM' timestamp='1249665714' post='216248']
Exactly. Crabtree hasn't had off the field problems. He was the top wide receiver coming out. Why would we want to pass up on a guy who is the best coming out of college. If he gets paid he is not a problem. Why are we willing to take a chance on someone with legal problems and actual character issues (Brandon Marshall) but not on Crabtree? And I just saw on ESPN that Crabtree's agent didn't even know where the comment of sitting out the whole year came from.
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Who knows maybe Front Office problems will stop here for Crabtree, or he could just be a pain in the badunkadunk his whole career. The comment came from a website I think, I'm not sure if Crabtree generated it but it is taking him a long time to deny it. Who wouldn't be excited to see Crabtree in purple?

[die_hard_raven]

NO Crabtree on my team! If he thinks Singletary will go for that he's sadly mistaken and if he goes back to the draft he will drop even further in the draft then he did this year. He is all about self & money!

There is one solution to fix all of this for once and for all and I'll be glad when it happens. A rookie salary cap! To protect teams from over paying and for rookies to have to prove their worth before making more than the proven elite players in the league.

[FerrariFan87]

All I know is, he better sign or he will free-fall in next year's draft... who would want to deal with this guy and his agent?

Note to the NFL: Institute a Rookie wage-scale so this type of garbage can't happen!

[3headedmonster]

HES NOT RE-ENTERING THE DRAFT IN 2010!!! HE IS PLAYING THIS YEAR HIS AGENT SAID HE HAD NO IDEA WHY THAT COMMENT WAS MADE!!! give the guy a break geez

[lowrider]

[quote name='tweety' date='07 August 2009 - 01:27 PM' timestamp='1249666022' post='216255']
Who knows maybe Front Office problems will stop here for Crabtree, or he could just be a pain in the badunkadunk he whole career. The comment came from a website I think, I'm not sure if Crabtree generated it but it is taking him a long time to deny it. Who wouldn't be excited to see Crabtree in purple?
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I think Crabtree's cousin or something made the comment but I wouldn't really trust that too much. Crabtree has the most to lose if he doesn't play this year. I just don't know why anyone would say no to Crabtree. Everyone has problems. But as a whole Crabtree is someone I would want to invest in. If he would have dropped to 26 I don't think I would have heard any complaints if we would have picked him up.

Now, being realistic. I bet 49ers sign him. And if they don't, I highly doubt we will trade for him or get him.

[3headedmonster]

your right lowrider i say 95% chance he is signed and if he isnt then we can start talking but honestly this topic is pretty pointless because he will be wearing red and gold this year.

[berad]

[quote name='3headedmonster' date='07 August 2009 - 01:30 PM' timestamp='1249666251' post='216261']
HES NOT RE-ENTERING THE DRAFT IN 2010!!! HE IS PLAYING THIS YEAR HIS AGENT SAID HE HAD NO IDEA WHY THAT COMMENT WAS MADE!!! give the guy a break geez
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His adviser/cousin said it. If it turns out to be false and both Crabtree and the 49ers refute it, then I'll retract all judgment; but until then, the statement stands.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='07 August 2009 - 09:01 AM' timestamp='1249650100' post='216171']
The only way that this Crabtree mess could benefit us is by looking at how the Niners draft and filing it under "What not to do."
The second option would be if he actually did re-enter the draft and other teams were dumb enough to go after him; [b]the Ravens might have to chance to get someone who's, you know, good.[/b]
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with ozzie i'd change that might into most likely but still lol

[quote name='lowrider' date='07 August 2009 - 12:13 PM' timestamp='1249661626' post='216214']
I was more calling Suggs a "punk" because of the fact he kept signing franchise tags until he got his money and was using the term "punk" to show the person I was quoting before, the fact that if he is going to label someone he needs to be realistic and look at their own backyard before we determine who is a "punk" or not.

I think Suggs went at it in the correct way which is different to Crabtree. But still the fact was that everyone goes after money and try to get what they think is "fair". Are we really going to determine a guy as having "poor character" because he wants to get paid? That doesn't really make sense. Let's say hypothetically he gets paid, is he a problem anymore? So then where does the poor character logic come in again? If we are going to pass up on Crabtree because he has poor character because he wants money that's stupid. Now beyond that I doubt we will be able to get him but still, if we are talking about character issues, Crabtree should not be in the discussion
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[quote name='lowrider' date='07 August 2009 - 12:54 PM' timestamp='1249664096' post='216239']
But you don't think that the Ravens offered decent money for Suggs and he still declined? If he disliked the franchise tag so much why didn't he sign before? Because he felt he wasn't getting paid enough.

I would rather have a drama queen wide receiver that is one of the best in the league but no off the field legal problems. If we could get Crabtree for a first round pick why wouldn't we get him? He is still incredibly talented. If some people are willing to deal with legal issues of players, why aren't some people willing to deal with a wide receiver that is a drama queen. Obviously the Ravens were willing to deal with TO so I guess they didn't mind it too much.

I still maintain that this is an empty ploy to get the money he feels he deserves. If he does sit out a year then he is an idiot and then I would have to rethink wanting him but until that happens I still think he would be worth all the problems
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lowrider, I'm not hating on you here, but the main problems I'm having with your arguement is that you are comparing a proven OLB/DE Hybrid (actually the best in the game) to an unproven, immature WR... The situation that happened with Ray and Suggs (granted I kind of lost some respect after ray lewis' offseason) was that they relatively earned that money... and we wonder why the huge paydays go up drastically, its because these rookies either demand increasingly high values, and teams are dumb enough to give it to them... I mean Stafford is almost part of the 100mil club... and he hasn't even played a down

no way in hell would I give up a first round pick for someone with an attitude problem... and a chance to be good

as far as the we'd rather pay some1 with criminal problems .... who have we signed recently with a criminal history, I hope your not counting marshall in there... cause last I checked he's still on the broncos

To finish up Suggs = proven vet, probowler, model hybrid.... he deserved what he was making, he hated the tag, you say he liked signing it every year, than how come he waited til the last day to sign it?
Crabtree: Never been to a probowl, never played in a NFL Championship game, never played in a NFL playoff game, never played in a NFL game, Never participated in a NFL T.C., never participated in a NFL practice (with his whole team).... where exactly is the comparison?

[quote name='tweety' date='07 August 2009 - 01:11 PM' timestamp='1249665098' post='216243']
A lot of the greater Receivers have brought some type of controversy: Randy Moss, Terrel Owens, Roddy White, Anquan Boldin, Chad Johnson, and Brandon Marshall. All are top 15 talent in the current NFL league.

You don't think it is worth it to find out if Crabtree can one day make that list. Our 1st round pick next year will most likely be given to an unproven rookie. Quiet and elite WR like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitz come a dime a dozen.
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agreed, lets find that dime

[Beninato]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='07 August 2009 - 04:40 AM' timestamp='1249634445' post='216158']
I'm not sure you know what that expression means, because it was used incorrectly.

Crabtree is a big, strong, and fast wide receiver who could potentially develop into a complete stud; he was not a complete beneficiary of the Tech system. . .

All wide receivers are huge risks by nature, but considering that we're going to have to draft one in the near future anyway, I'd like to explore this option, especially if San Francisco is boxed in to the point that the asking price goes down.
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He caught 97 balls in 12 games last season. He is the product of a system. Texas Tech is pass, pass, pass, pass, pass. He played against weak secondaries and all he ran were slants and the occasional go-route.

He had four "big" games last season against Nevada, SMU, K-State and Texas. Every other game he had decent yardage for a pass happy offense.

Crabtree is going to be a bust, plain and simple. He couldn't get it done against Baylor or Texas A&M, there is no way he's going to get it done against Seattle or Arizona. Or Cincinnati for that matter.

[tweety]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='07 August 2009 - 01:36 PM' timestamp='1249666613' post='216270']
[CrabTree] an unproven, immature WR... [Suggs and Lewis] earned that money...


agreed, lets find that dime
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Roddy White - 8.3 million a year
DHB - 7.6 million a year

That is the difference of 91 percent, DHB having 91% of a threat of Roddy White is a total risk. While success in NCAA has some relationship with success in the NFL the success rate isn't 90%. I understand why the 49ers don't want to dish out the money. Does Crabtree realize he was offered a contract higher than Boldin's 5 million a year.

Top ten in past few years

2003
- [color="#FF0000"]Charles Rodgers [/color]
- [color="#000080"]Andre Johnson[/color]
2004
- [color="#000080"]Larry Fitzgerald [/color]
- [color="#000080"]Roy Williams[/color]
- [color="#FF0000"]Reggie Williams[/color]
2005
- [color="#FF0000"]Braylon Edwards[/color]
- [color="#FF0000"]Troy Williamson[/color]
- [color="#FF0000"]Mike Williams[/color]

All these recievers have had the natural three years to develope
Success rate: [color="#FF0000"]37%[/color][b][/b]

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='Corvus' date='07 August 2009 - 10:01 AM' timestamp='1249653717' post='216182']
Before this, I had no idea this was even an option for a draft pick. I was under the impression that once a team drafted you, they had the exclusive rights to you as a player. But if you don't like your situation, somehow the team that drafted you loses all rights to you and you get to enter the draft the next year? Has this even happened before?

I think the whole situation is ridiculous as is Crabtree and his agent. Therefore I have no interest in a rookie receiver who's head is even bigger than Marshall's, Boldin's, and every other player looking for a big pay day, before he has even played a down of NFL football much less...
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Jim Kelley was so mad that he was drafted by the Buffalo Bill's that he played in another football league for 2 years, I think it was the CFL.