Could We Benefit Off Crabtree Situation

[tweety]

I would like to start by saying I'm not liking his attitude. If neither Crabtree or 49ers are willing to bulge in the contract agreement what are the options?

Who would be most likely to decline the following transaction? Ravens give a first for Crabtree and pays him what he wants 8 million a year. Of course our pick next year won't be a 10th or have the same value as Crabtree. In this situation who is the loser. 49ers are at risks at a wasted pick, trade may be their only options. Like San Diego with Eli Manning. Is this pick as risky as getting an aging Boldin or wreckless Marshall?

State your opinion on the matter...

[RavingRaven]

Initially I thought.....

I am for this 100%. Trade him for next years first rounder, we'll probably have to throw in a fifth round pick as well considering everyone knows it will be the 32nd selection in the draft, plus the deal he's looking for.

Then I came to my senses....

We need someone who is proven, if we're going to drop that much loot on a contract, give me marshalls crazy abusive ******. We've drafted highly rated prospects for wr in the past and it is too risky. Get the proven player for the same deal.

[Ravenfano3]

Thanks, but no thanks imo. Personally, I dont want to see the Ravens make a move on a TO like premadonna who hasn't even played an NFL snap yet.

[McBurks]

How exaclty could we benefit?I'm pretty sure the 49er's aren't gonna let their 1st round pick walk for nothing,even if they do want to trade him we'd have to give more than he's worth,and he hasn't even played a single NFL down.Of course he was a talented WR in college but we are fine right now with Mason back.

I'll pass.

[tweety]

[quote name='Simba' date='06 August 2009 - 11:39 PM' timestamp='1249616381' post='216106']
How exaclty could we benefit?I'm pretty sure the 49er's aren't gonna let their 1st round pick walk for nothing,even if they do want to trade him we'd have to give more than he's worth,and he hasn't even played a single NFL down.Of course he was a talented WR in college but we are fine right now with Mason back.

I'll pass.
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It is either Crabtree is traded, they pay him more than they want, or (the dumb idea) let him sit out the season and possibility get nothing from him. 49ers needs something to save them because if they bend it would only show weakness to the Front Office. As the Broncos should have not traded there franchise QB their front office looked weak. Brandon Marshall tried to expose the weakness again.

I'm sure 49ers are considering options but you aren't going to get him for less than a 1st round. Most of you are against, and I respect your opinion.

[Beninato]

Why would you want Crabtree? The guy is a punk, he is selfish and all he cares about is money. He couldn't care less about winning. You know that motto "Play like a Raven"? This kid plays like a monkey. Derrick Mason, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Haloti Ngata play like Ravens. He's the product of a system, nothing more, nothing less.

[markmullen]

I agree with Beninato, he's all about the money and not about the team, not only that but he's unproven. We got far last season with the receivers we have, plus Williams will take the field so I'm not even worried about the WR position.

[tweety]

You could almost fight for Crabtree if it was the Eli situation, where he just didn't want to play for the the team. Crabtree or his agent doesn't want him to play for the [b]money[/b] but only play for [b]more money[/b]. I'm interested in learning how the situation holds out, but I guess it won't be on the Ravens.

[Marc2k6]

HELL NO! Crabtree is a CRAB and that is not a Maryland Crab! He has not been able to do anything to prove he is worth the money. No combine, No pro-day and No nothing. On his path to the draft all you say was him at his uncles house playing dominos and shopping for High Rise million dollar Condos. I think he is all show and will be a bust.

[Ravenfano3]

Don't think any of it is going to matter anyway. I don't want him here, and quite frankly I highly doubt he will jeopardize his career, and his big payday this year (even if not as big as he wants it to be). If he does sit this season, his draft stock plummets, not only from a year out of the game (though he would probly end up in the UFL), but he would then be viewed as someone with major character issues, if he isn't already. He'll play for the niners, he is just angling for more money. Which makes me want him even less.

[Wacko4Zacko]

You know instead of trading, why not just wait until next year and draft him in the 2010 draft? But I rather draft this Lafell guy.

[tweety]

If by zero chance he re-enters he will be taken before the second half of the first round. Plus we could use him this year and 49ers would get something in return, Zacko.

[theFRANCHISE]

If a guy is so easily swayed by his agent into believing that he can earn big money by sitting out a season, that guy either needs to fire his agent or get a brain.

Crabtree is risking more than finances by (allegedly) threatening to sit out his rookie year, and by thinking he'll be drafted in the 1st round [i]again[/i] in 2010, he's severely overrating his value. He's just coming off an injury, and there's no guarantee he'll ever be the same player he was in college. Additionally, he'll be playing catch-up with all the time he's missing during his holdout. If Crabtree turns out to be a bust, he only has himself to blame.

[SupaBwandin]

I wouldnt to too happy if I were him either. A track star who has already dropped 54 balls in camp is getting paid more than he will be. He has the talent and if he stays in San Fran, he will not have any future. Yes, bring him to Baltimore. 1st and 5th.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='Ravenfano3' date='06 August 2009 - 11:39 PM' timestamp='1249616363' post='216105']
Thanks, but no thanks imo. Personally, I dont want to see the Ravens make a move on a TO like premadonna who hasn't even played an NFL snap yet.
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[quote name='Beninato' date='06 August 2009 - 11:48 PM' timestamp='1249616900' post='216113']
Why would you want Crabtree? The guy is a punk, he is selfish and all he cares about is money. He couldn't care less about winning. You know that motto "Play like a Raven"? This kid plays like a monkey. Derrick Mason, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Haloti Ngata play like Ravens. He's the product of a system, nothing more, nothing less.
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pretty much both of you I couldn't say it any better myself

[quote name='Marc2k6' date='07 August 2009 - 12:04 AM' timestamp='1249617860' post='216119']
HELL NO! Crabtree is a CRAB and that is not a Maryland Crab! He has not been able to do anything to prove he is worth the money. No combine, No pro-day and No nothing. On his path to the draft all you say was him at his uncles house playing dominos and shopping for High Rise million dollar Condos. I think he is all show and will be a bust.
[/quote]

I don't want him, because I can tell you now, he is a T.O. personality, he will rip apart any locker room he is in, watch you'll see

[quote name='SupaBwandin' date='07 August 2009 - 02:35 AM' timestamp='1249626937' post='216148']
I wouldnt to too happy if I were him either. A track star who has already dropped 54 balls in camp is getting paid more than he will be. He has the talent and if he stays in San Fran, he will not have any future. Yes, bring him to Baltimore. 1st and 5th.
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no way in hell would I give up a first round pick for a piece of trash, proven or unproven, crabtree is just that, trash.... I mean its different than say T. Suggs hold out, cause he's proven he's earned his money, Crabtree has proven he is just complete garbage, He has no right demanding that money, he wasn't that pick, like some1 said, he needs a brain... or an agent with one.... to me it sounds like he's counting his eggs before they hatch, especially if he's looking at the multi million dollar condo's.... I usually don't like watching an athelete struggle, but I think I'm really going to enjoy watching Crabtree and Stafford fall on their face

and

HELL NO WE WON'T GO

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Beninato' date='06 August 2009 - 11:48 PM' timestamp='1249616900' post='216113']
He's the product of a system, nothing more, nothing less.[/quote]

I'm not sure you know what that expression means, because it was used incorrectly.

Crabtree is a big, strong, and fast wide receiver who could potentially develop into a complete stud; he was not a complete beneficiary of the Tech system. . .

All wide receivers are huge risks by nature, but considering that we're going to have to draft one in the near future anyway, I'd like to explore this option, especially if San Francisco is boxed in to the point that the asking price goes down.

[Magnusmd]

[quote name='Beninato' date='06 August 2009 - 11:48 PM' timestamp='1249616900' post='216113']
Why would you want Crabtree? The guy is a punk, he is selfish and all he cares about is money. He couldn't care less about winning. You know that motto "Play like a Raven"? This kid plays like a monkey. Derrick Mason, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Haloti Ngata play like Ravens. He's the product of a system, nothing more, nothing less.
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Agreed 100%

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='07 August 2009 - 01:29 AM' timestamp='1249622996' post='216134']
If a guy is so easily swayed by his agent into believing that he can earn big money by sitting out a season, that guy either needs to fire his agent or get a brain.

Crabtree is risking more than finances by (allegedly) threatening to sit out his rookie year, and by thinking he'll be drafted in the 1st round [i]again[/i] in 2010, he's severely overrating his value. He's just coming off an injury, and there's no guarantee he'll ever be the same player he was in college. Additionally, he'll be playing catch-up with all the time he's missing during his holdout. If Crabtree turns out to be a bust, he only has himself to blame.
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Exactly..

[RoflDogs]

We could benefit by Crabtree reentering the draft, being picked in the first, allowing us to draft the OTHER talent (Dez Bryant, Benn (unlikely), Damian Williams)

[darklight1216]

The only way that this Crabtree mess could benefit us is by looking at how the Niners draft and filing it under "What not to do."
The second option would be if he actually did re-enter the draft and other teams were dumb enough to go after him; the Ravens might have to chance to get someone who's, you know, good.

[J-man]

They'll reach an agreement. If they don't, it will ruin his career.

[Corvus]

Before this, I had no idea this was even an option for a draft pick. I was under the impression that once a team drafted you, they had the exclusive rights to you as a player. But if you don't like your situation, somehow the team that drafted you loses all rights to you and you get to enter the draft the next year? Has this even happened before?

I think the whole situation is ridiculous as is Crabtree and his agent. Therefore I have no interest in a rookie receiver who's head is even bigger than Marshall's, Boldin's, and every other player looking for a big pay day, before he has even played a down of NFL football much less...

[lowrider]

[quote name='Beninato' date='06 August 2009 - 11:48 PM' timestamp='1249616900' post='216113']
Why would you want Crabtree? The guy is a punk, he is selfish and all he cares about is money. He couldn't care less about winning. You know that motto "Play like a Raven"? This kid plays like a monkey. Derrick Mason, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Haloti Ngata play like Ravens. He's the product of a system, nothing more, nothing less.
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Let's be realistic. Ray Lewis was a punk when he went shopping this offseason. Suggs was a punk this offseason because he would never sign. Why would we want Crabtree? Because he was supposed to be the best wide receiver in this last year's draft. We aren't going to get someone proven right away, that is wishful thinking.

I don't know what you are talking about he couldn't care less about winning. You have no idea who this kid is and your just basing this off a ploy to get more money. The truth is everyone in the NFL is trying to get their money. Let's not pass too much judgment just because he wants to do the same. Granted it's ridiculous to sit out a season but he is a talented prospect and could be the next superstar, why would we pass up on him? 90% of wide receivers are drama queens. Get used to it.

[berad]

[quote name='lowrider' date='07 August 2009 - 10:38 AM' timestamp='1249655913' post='216186']
Let's be realistic. Ray Lewis was a punk when he went shopping this offseason. [b]Suggs was a punk this offseason because he would never sign.[/b] Why would we want Crabtree? Because he was supposed to be the best wide receiver in this last year's draft. We aren't going to get someone proven right away, that is wishful thinking.

I don't know what you are talking about he couldn't care less about winning. You have no idea who this kid is and your just basing this off a ploy to get more money. The truth is everyone in the NFL is trying to get their money. Let's not pass too much judgment just because he wants to do the same. Granted it's ridiculous to sit out a season but he is a talented prospect and could be the next superstar, why would we pass up on him? 90% of wide receivers are drama queens. Get used to it.
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HOT DAMN! I [b]hate[/b] this argument as it is entirely false, ignorant, and unfounded. Terrell Suggs signed a deal that was fair for both him and the Ravens, he made his intentions clear throughout the entire process; he wanted to remain in Baltimore.

And, no, 90% of receivers are not "drama queens"; those are just the ones you see on sportscenter. None of the receivers on our team have such a delusional sense of grandeur, few players in the NFL do. Furthermore, John Harbaugh is building this team on high character, team-first players Michael Crabtree does not fit that.

We're not going to trade for Crabtree, especially after his threat to sit out an entire year.

[lowrider]

[quote name='berad' date='07 August 2009 - 11:05 AM' timestamp='1249657526' post='216192']
HOT DAMN! I [b]hate[/b] this argument as it is entirely false, ignorant, and unfounded. Terrell Suggs signed a deal that was fair for both him and the Ravens, he made his intentions clear throughout the entire process; he wanted to remain in Baltimore.

And, no, 90% of receivers are not "drama queens"; those are just the ones you see on sportscenter. None of the receivers on our team have such a delusional sense of grandeur, few players in the NFL do. Furthermore, John Harbaugh is building this team on high character, team-first players Michael Crabtree does not fit that.

We're not going to trade for Crabtree, especially after his threat to sit out an entire year.
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I was more calling Suggs a "punk" because of the fact he kept signing franchise tags until he got his money and was using the term "punk" to show the person I was quoting before, the fact that if he is going to label someone he needs to be realistic and look at their own backyard before we determine who is a "punk" or not.

I think Suggs went at it in the correct way which is different to Crabtree. But still the fact was that everyone goes after money and try to get what they think is "fair". Are we really going to determine a guy as having "poor character" because he wants to get paid? That doesn't really make sense. Let's say hypothetically he gets paid, is he a problem anymore? So then where does the poor character logic come in again? If we are going to pass up on Crabtree because he has poor character because he wants money that's stupid. Now beyond that I doubt we will be able to get him but still, if we are talking about character issues, Crabtree should not be in the discussion

[WinnipegRaven]

Crabtree didn't get drafted until the 10th selection for a reason - his attitude. Now regardless of your abilities it takes an all-around player and person to achieve great things in the NFL. Since his attitude got him into this situation you'd think he'd learn and bite the bullet, try to over-achieve this year and ask for a new contract once he has proven that he can be a good teammate and productive player.
As Vick said "it's privilege to play in the NFL"
I personally hope he does sit. He wouldn't be very desirable after showing teams what he is willing to do to make some cash. Hopefully drops to the 2nd or 3rd round - Al Davis picks him up, then in rookie TC breaks his leg in 4 places and ends up selling used cars.

This guy it a T.O (attitude wise) in the making.

[berad]

[quote name='lowrider' date='07 August 2009 - 12:13 PM' timestamp='1249661626' post='216214']
[b]I was more calling Suggs a "punk" because of the fact he kept signing franchise tags until he got his money[/b] and was using the term "punk" to show the person I was quoting before, the fact that if he is going to label someone he needs to be realistic and look at their own backyard before we determine who is a "punk" or not.

I think Suggs went at it in the correct way which is different to Crabtree. But still the fact was that everyone goes after money and try to get what they think is "fair". Are we really going to determine a guy as having "poor character" because he wants to get paid? That doesn't really make sense. Let's say hypothetically he gets paid, is he a problem anymore? So then where does the poor character logic come in again? If we are going to pass up on Crabtree because he has poor character because he wants money that's stupid. Now beyond that I doubt we will be able to get him but still, if we are talking about character issues, Crabtree should not be in the discussion
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Now, you're losing ground fast. Players dread the franchise tag, if anything Suggs was [i]reluctant[/i] to sign them because he wanted the long-term contract. He did so, rather quietly by the way, because he is a team player and has always wanted to remain a Raven.

Michael Crabtree's character issues go well beyond this latest contract dispute, everyone knows that. Some NFL scouts questioned his work ethic and he has always been a diva and a showboat.

The issue at hand is not that he simply "wants money", it's the ridiculous, arrogant threat he has posed to the 49ers organization in efforts to get that payday. Every player wants to earn a lot of cash, few place themselves and their own selfish desires over their teammates, though.

[lowrider]

[quote name='berad' date='07 August 2009 - 12:38 PM' timestamp='1249663081' post='216226']
Now, you're losing ground fast. Players dread the franchise tag, if anything Suggs was [i]reluctant[/i] to sign them because he wanted the long-term contract. He did so, rather quietly by the way, because he is a team player and has always wanted to remain a Raven.

Michael Crabtree's character issues go well beyond this latest contract dispute, everyone knows that. Some NFL scouts questioned his work ethic and he has always been a diva and a showboat.

The issue at hand is not that he simply "wants money", it's the ridiculous, arrogant threat he has posed to the 49ers organization in efforts to get that payday. Every player wants to earn a lot of cash, few place themselves and their own selfish desires over their teammates, though.
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But you don't think that the Ravens offered decent money for Suggs and he still declined? If he disliked the franchise tag so much why didn't he sign before? Because he felt he wasn't getting paid enough.

I would rather have a drama queen wide receiver that is one of the best in the league but no off the field legal problems. If we could get Crabtree for a first round pick why wouldn't we get him? He is still incredibly talented. If some people are willing to deal with legal issues of players, why aren't some people willing to deal with a wide receiver that is a drama queen. Obviously the Ravens were willing to deal with TO so I guess they didn't mind it too much.

I still maintain that this is an empty ploy to get the money he feels he deserves. If he does sit out a year then he is an idiot and then I would have to rethink wanting him but until that happens I still think he would be worth all the problems

[berad]

[quote name='lowrider' date='07 August 2009 - 12:54 PM' timestamp='1249664096' post='216239']
But you don't think that the Ravens offered decent money for Suggs and he still declined? If he disliked the franchise tag so much why didn't he sign before? Because he felt he wasn't getting paid enough.

[b]I would rather have a drama queen wide receiver that is one of the best in the league[/b] but no off the field legal problems. If we could get Crabtree for a first round pick why wouldn't we get him? He is still incredibly talented. If some people are willing to deal with legal issues of players, why aren't some people willing to deal with a wide receiver that is a drama queen. Obviously the Ravens were willing to deal with TO so I guess they didn't mind it too much.

I still maintain that this is an empty ploy to get the money he feels he deserves. If he does sit out a year then he is an idiot and then I would have to rethink wanting him but until that happens I still think he would be worth all the problems
[/quote]

Now, now, Michael Crabtree is not one of the best receivers in the league, he hasn't even been in an NFL practice. And just because the Ravens were interested in Owens [b]5 years ago[/b], before he messed up his situation in both Philly and Dallas, does not mean they want Crabtree. Besides, we were much more desperate then and Brian Billick was the HC, not Harbaugh.

And, again about Suggs, the Ravens were probably low-balling him with the offers, as they do with most players. Players work for what they think the deserve. The difference is Suggs has dedicated himself to this franchise, played 6 outstanding seasons without injury, made 3 ProBowls, and is one of the premier defensive players in the NFL. Suggs worked it out with the Ravens and both sides got a deal that works, win-win. Crabtree has done absolutely nothing on the NFL stage yet demands pay for a slot higher than he was drafted for no credible reason..

[tweety]

A lot of the greater Receivers have brought some type of controversy: Randy Moss, Terrel Owens, Roddy White, Anquan Boldin, Chad Johnson, and Brandon Marshall. All are top 15 talent in the current NFL league.

You don't think it is worth it to find out if Crabtree can one day make that list. Our 1st round pick next year will most likely be given to an unproven rookie. Quiet and elite WR like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitz come a dime a dozen.