What Does Everybody Think Of Billick?

[Raven1487]

The last two years I started off at college, where we don't have cable, so admittedly Raven's games had been hard to get a hold of. But when I could watch them, what I saw looked like a huge white and purple turtle, the offensive line holding a shell-shape while one guy pushes out a little like the thing's head. I am, of course, referring to Jamal Lewis. McGahee's screen pass receptions are a little more encouraging on what I call the "turtle problem", but as head of the Ravens offense this year, Billick doesn't really look to want to change the overly conservative direction of the Raven's neglected other half.

You throw the long ball every once in awhile to spread the defense out. Once a half at least?...maybe...once a quarter? Hopefully?...once a game though? What the hell is he thinking? I mean if I had to defend against the Raven's I'd just play zone cover 1 and ignore the backfield altogether. The ravens have proven to be horrible in red zone, so why play like you've only got 20 yards to work with anywhere on the whole freakin field???

Essentially he's taking spotty defenses like [the Browns'] and condensing it so that it doesn't have to rely as much on sheer talent. And the Ravens HAVE recievers that can catch well and go long - Mason especially. They had the recievers before, Billick just never used them. I mean lets face it, despite being a tight end, Heap is an exceptional reciever, he has the height and the talent to make big plays. Granted, by playing short, Billick is playing to the strengths of his offense, but he's also playing to whatever strength the defense has. And I'm sorry, but it took nearly 4 entire quarters to get the hint that you're two touchdowns behind and you need to make big plays? Why in the sam hill did it take that long???

And this isn't mentioning the indecision that failed to challenge an obviously bad touchdown call that could have made the game a great deal more managable.

I just don't know. I love the defense, they give a lot of looks, they play the deception card, even if they aren't necessarily good at one or two of those looks. The offense makes the occational great read, or great fake, which picks up good yardage, but then, even when they're doing really well, they still look the same, all game long.

Am I the only one that thinks the team needs an Offensive Coordinator or a new Head that is more willing to take risks, and to trust his recievers?

Somebody defend him please, I could use the opposite perspective sometime before I become completely disillusioned with the offense.

[Guest ravensteve9]

"Somebody defend him please, I could use the opposite perspective sometime before I become completely disillusioned with the offense"

I cant disagree, sorry. Hes too CONSERVATIVE. His game plan is great when we are wining by 2+ touchdowns. McGahee has proven a formidable rb and BB is not using him nearly enough. I wont repeat all that have in another post but we need the long ball threat (we have it with Boller, not Mcnair). Heap, Mason, Clayton, and Williams are all good enough to go one on one with any secondary, especially the Browns. Weve got plenty of "O" weapons. Lets use them!

I cant believe Im saying this...Boller is the future

[Guest Birdfan]

I think Brian is an excellent HC when he sticks to running the TEAM. I think it's time he let someone else fully take over the OC position. While he focuses on offense, we see the defense and special teams slipping and the offense is getting worse instead of better. Brian needs to go back to overall management.

[Mista T]

I think Brian is an excellent HC when he sticks to running the TEAM. I think it's time he let someone else fully take over the OC position. While he focuses on offense, we see the defense and special teams slipping and the offense is getting worse instead of better. Brian needs to go back to overall management.

It's also his selection of players. Injured players hurt the team. He should be starting reserves -- we have plenty of depth. McNair should not be the QB in his condition. And Clayton is hobbled, precluding running deep patterns (not that McNair could throw deep anyway).

[Ravens549]

Yes, I hate to admit to anything negative about our team, but we do need an individual OC.

Running players in at the last second, getting the plays in with 5 seconds on the clock, 5 yard delay of game penalties, not throwing the flag on a questionable touchdown before even having to see instant replay....Brian's plate is too full.

We need help in may different aspects. But, it all has to start from the top.

[tweety]

we do need an individual OC.

Brian's plate is too full.

Billick is a great Head Coach and I love him but we need an Offensive Cordinator who can utilize our weapons. Brian Billick please do what is better for the team.

Rex Ryan needs to blitz more because our secondary is great but with too much time the TE's get open. Our LineBackers aren't the greatest covers but the greatest pressure creators.

[itlstl7]

I would have to agree with everyone... it doesnt seem like Billick is the right choice for our play calling... I dont know why he makes the decisions he does or why he doesnt seem to want to change anything but all i know is that the team still seems to be behind him... in my opinion we just need a new OC but Billick is a good head coach and does not deserve to be canned just yet... I'm just as frustrated as everyone else but we need to keep our cool... it seems like alot of teams are going through what we are this year and therefore we still have a good shot at rising to the top and quickly...one thing that has really been frustrating me though is that it seems like everyone keeps dodging the play calling as to one of our main problems (i.e Billick, the media, etc...) Billick needs to step up and take some blame and let everyone especially his fans know that he is going too or trying too make some changes... I dont want to continue thinking that this same problem could kill us next game and so on...

[Ravens549]

... in my opinion we just need a new OC but Billick is a good head coach and does not deserve to be canned just yet...

By no means do I feel Billick needs fired. -Never did. Even during the whole Elvis debacle.

Everyone wanted to run Cavanaugh out of town and when they did, what changed?

I just have to agree that Brian needs help in some of the decision-making processes. That way we don't have red flags thrown after kicks and injured quaterbacks playing when there is a better alternative available.

Points needed to be scored quickly at the end of the game. And that had to be through big plays. Steve was in no condition to make that big play. So, why place him into a situation in which his health prohibited him from even having a fair shot?

[purplebandana]

"Somebody defend him please, I could use the opposite perspective sometime before I become completely disillusioned with the offense"

I cant disagree, sorry. Hes too CONSERVATIVE. His game plan is great when we are wining by 2+ touchdowns. McGahee has proven a formidable rb and BB is not using him nearly enough. I wont repeat all that have in another post but we need the long ball threat (we have it with Boller, not Mcnair). Heap, Mason, Clayton, and Williams are all good enough to go one on one with any secondary, especially the Browns. Weve got plenty of "O" weapons. Lets use them!

I cant believe Im saying this...Boller is the future

i totaly agree with your statement...with the long ball thrown everyonce and a while it would space out the d fence and then creat some good opens for the running game its all about keeping the defence spread they would always have to keep some db's in deep just in case...if we continue with the 5-10 yard passes the defence will be all over it creating no room for the run and making it dificult to pass.

mcneirs condition would not be able to handle the deep passes so i say F it lets go with boller and go all out

p.s. we need a new OC billick go back to HC

[BILLSEC107]

[i think everyone on here that is bashing Billick needs to look at the play calling from Boller to Mcnair. There is a big difference,Mcnair has no arm to get the ball down field. Did everyone forget last years pass to Clayton when he had to stop & wait 5-10 secs for the ball that was well under thrown.

We have a major QB situation here. The dumb fans here in Baltimore don't want Boller in there and he is the best option by far.LOOK AT THE STATS(WINS,TDS INTS OR WHAT EVER ELSE) Boller almost tied the Cincy game up without the bad pass interferance call. Come on face it Mcnair was a 1 yr QB and taught Boller well. Now its his turn to shine.

The Defense is horrible! Why did C-MAC take a gamble like that when we were down 7-0 and after a turnover. I love our def but its way different then last year. We are getting old and they learned Rex scheme. A.D IS GONE AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE NO BIG DEAL BUT I WAS DEAD WRONG. Suggs and Scott are no shows this year.

So before you say Billick sucks and needs to go think about all the injuries and the mistakes the Mcnair makes and the plays he did not make Sunday.

The OPEN WR in the end zone on 2 or 3 situations he over throw. Those 300 yrds most of them garbage yrds all mid 3and 4th QTR when Cleve went into a soft DEF.

quote name=Raven1487' date='Sep 30 2007, 10:13 PM' post='7112]

The last two years I started off at college, where we don't have cable, so admittedly Raven's games had been hard to get a hold of. But when I could watch them, what I saw looked like a huge white and purple turtle, the offensive line holding a shell-shape while one guy pushes out a little like the thing's head. I am, of course, referring to Jamal Lewis. McGahee's screen pass receptions are a little more encouraging on what I call the "turtle problem", but as head of the Ravens offense this year, Billick doesn't really look to want to change the overly conservative direction of the Raven's neglected other half.

You throw the long ball every once in awhile to spread the defense out. Once a half at least?...maybe...once a quarter? Hopefully?...once a game though? What the hell is he thinking? I mean if I had to defend against the Raven's I'd just play zone cover 1 and ignore the backfield altogether. The ravens have proven to be horrible in red zone, so why play like you've only got 20 yards to work with anywhere on the whole freakin field???

Essentially he's taking spotty defenses like [the Browns'] and condensing it so that it doesn't have to rely as much on sheer talent. And the Ravens HAVE recievers that can catch well and go long - Mason especially. They had the recievers before, Billick just never used them. I mean lets face it, despite being a tight end, Heap is an exceptional reciever, he has the height and the talent to make big plays. Granted, by playing short, Billick is playing to the strengths of his offense, but he's also playing to whatever strength the defense has. And I'm sorry, but it took nearly 4 entire quarters to get the hint that you're two touchdowns behind and you need to make big plays? Why in the sam hill did it take that long???

And this isn't mentioning the indecision that failed to challenge an obviously bad touchdown call that could have made the game a great deal more managable.

I just don't know. I love the defense, they give a lot of looks, they play the deception card, even if they aren't necessarily good at one or two of those looks. The offense makes the occational great read, or great fake, which picks up good yardage, but then, even when they're doing really well, they still look the same, all game long.

Am I the only one that thinks the team needs an Offensive Coordinator or a new Head that is more willing to take risks, and to trust his recievers?

Somebody defend him please, I could use the opposite perspective sometime before I become completely disillusioned with the offense.

[Ravens549]

A.D IS GONE AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE NO BIG DEAL BUT I WAS DEAD WRONG.

How could anyone ever think this? I heard it from many.

AD was one of th most versatile and best players Baltimore EVER had. He may not have been the 'loudest' player on our defense....but he was(still is) amazing!

[rockonravens]

How could anyone ever think this? I heard it from many.

AD was one of th most versatile and best players Baltimore EVER had. He may not have been the 'loudest' player on our defense....but he was(still is) amazing!

All I can say is I agree with Billick not being the OC. I mean I was so P*** off that we didn't even go no huddle offense

Everyone just seem to take their sweet time, acting like WE were winnning by two touchdowns.

Don't fire Billick yet, just take some responsibilities from him NOW!!!!!!

[tweety]

Billick is a great Head Coach and I love him but we need an Offensive Cordinator who can utilize our weapons. Brian Billick please do what is better for the team.

Rex Ryan needs to blitz more because our secondary is great but with too much time the TE's get open. Our LineBackers aren't the greatest covers but the greatest pressure creators.

Who would you all sign as OC?

[superd]

Brain isn't making the right choices here. I don't think they should of kept Mcnair in that game. I've never really been a boller fan. And I stood by Mcnair after the Colts game. But he doesn't seem to have it anymore. Baltimore we are the qb killers. I wanted Boller in after halftime. He has improved greatly and I'm sure he has learned a lot from Steve. I think now he needs to get in and see if he can finally get the job done. Theres no excuses for him. Carson Palmer is outstanding and they were drafted the same year. I just think Boller should get a shot. Mcnair hasn't showed us he can get it done when it counts. I'm no longer a Billick fan. We had a great team the year we won it all. Look at the past couple years. We havn't done much. Hey Why not make Rex Ryan the Head coach. We will probably lose him after this season to a HC position anyway. The pressure is on the defense like always. And I don't think they were as ready for it this year. But it's The Baltimore defense! They will get it together soon. I'm done with Billick!

[CravinCaliforniaRaven20]

Billick is a great Head Coach and I love him but we need an Offensive Cordinator who can utilize our weapons. Brian Billick please do what is better for the team.

Rex Ryan needs to blitz more because our secondary is great but with too much time the TE's get open. Our LineBackers aren't the greatest covers but the greatest pressure creators.

I think we get blitz TOO MUCH. Our D is giving up hella PASSING YEARS each game.

[ragnorok99]

Not sure how many of you know this, but we do actually have an OC at the moment, Rick Neuheisel.

I'm not really sure what his purpose is. I suppose he just draws up plays and observes the game. Billick is a great head coach, but the delay of game penalties, questionable playcalling, questionable quarterback decisions, etc. all point to him needing to give some responsibility back to the OC, as many of you have said.

The shapeshifting defense isn't working as well this year because teams have had all offseason to look at what's coming. Furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, we're currently missing two key ingredients to a pressure defense--one of our great pass rushers (Pryce) and a solid cover corner (Rolle). With that said, Rex Ryan is a genius and I'm sure he'll get this thing figured out.

[dsizzle007]

Ill defend him. Billick is a smart a** coach, plain and simple. All the way back to his Vikings days at OC. He's very creative, and crafty. .... I wouldnt put it past him, that his "conservativeness" and not putting the ball in the endzone, is nothing but a way to hide what he will do toward the end of the season. (When the real games come around). SD, NE, IND, divisional games, seahawks... in quest field. I dont put it past the man, that he felt he could be conservative against these early teams, and still squeeze out a win. Which didnt happen. KEY injuries, ... from game one. SIX KEY injuries. FROM WEEK ONE(early in the game at that). ... That is extremely hard to adjust to. Its not easy to compete when you have to plug people in like that. Under the circumstances, .. give the man a chance to prove himself with this offense hes putting together. (that will... without a doubt, be amazing)

[saved72907]

I would have to agree with everyone... it doesnt seem like Billick is the right choice for our play calling... I dont know why he makes the decisions he does or why he doesnt seem to want to change anything but all i know is that the team still seems to be behind him... in my opinion we just need a new OC but Billick is a good head coach and does not deserve to be canned just yet... I'm just as frustrated as everyone else but we need to keep our cool... it seems like alot of teams are going through what we are this year and therefore we still have a good shot at rising to the top and quickly...one thing that has really been frustrating me though is that it seems like everyone keeps dodging the play calling as to one of our main problems (i.e Billick, the media, etc...) Billick needs to step up and take some blame and let everyone especially his fans know that he is going too or trying too make some changes... I dont want to continue thinking that this same problem could kill us next game and so on...

Billick is way too stubborn, and stuck in his ways. He'll never make the appropriate changes that need to be made, or not atleast until it's too late. And Billick take some blame??? Are you crazy??? If Billick made the appropriate changes now, like everyone wants, that would be too much like admitting he was wrong. Ain't gonna happen.

[Slick]

Ill defend him. Billick is a smart a** coach, plain and simple. All the way back to his Vikings days at OC. He's very creative, and crafty. .... I wouldnt put it past him, that his "conservativeness" and not putting the ball in the endzone, is nothing but a way to hide what he will do toward the end of the season. (When the real games come around). SD, NE, IND, divisional games, seahawks... in quest field. I dont put it past the man, that he felt he could be conservative against these early teams, and still squeeze out a win. Which didnt happen. KEY injuries, ... from game one. SIX KEY injuries. FROM WEEK ONE(early in the game at that). ... That is extremely hard to adjust to. Its not easy to compete when you have to plug people in like that. Under the circumstances, .. give the man a chance to prove himself with this offense hes putting together. (that will... without a doubt, be amazing)

agreed.

Honestly, the more I think about this year, the more I think that we can get to the big game. I'm thinking a remake of the 2000 season, not entirely but I think McNair may go down for good mid-season and Boller steps up. Maybe he'll pull a dilfer because he'll let Billick open up the offense. if that happens im'a laugh my a** off, but seriously think about it...we have all the makings for a great team, we just need a spark to set it off.

[Raven07]

lol if that does happen then just "WOW!" haha i mean it would be everyone's dream to reach the SuperBowl again....but there are 2 sides to it, simply stating that, McNair would want to be the "main" guy under center that leads the team to victory in the Big Game, but on the other hand, Boller also would want that to happen for him to become the guy under center and lead his team to the Big game.....

[organizedchaos52]

agreed.

Honestly, the more I think about this year, the more I think that we can get to the big game. I'm thinking a remake of the 2000 season, not entirely but I think McNair may go down for good mid-season and Boller steps up. Maybe he'll pull a dilfer because he'll let Billick open up the offense. if that happens im'a laugh my a** off, but seriously think about it...we have all the makings for a great team, we just need a spark to set it off.

But in 2000 we had arguably the best defense in football history and a bad offense. Now we have a halfass job of offense and defense.

[buckeyewayne]

The last two years I started off at college, where we don't have cable, so admittedly Raven's games had been hard to get a hold of. But when I could watch them, what I saw looked like a huge white and purple turtle, the offensive line holding a shell-shape while one guy pushes out a little like the thing's head. I am, of course, referring to Jamal Lewis. McGahee's screen pass receptions are a little more encouraging on what I call the "turtle problem", but as head of the Ravens offense this year, Billick doesn't really look to want to change the overly conservative direction of the Raven's neglected other half.

You throw the long ball every once in awhile to spread the defense out. Once a half at least?...maybe...once a quarter? Hopefully?...once a game though? What the hell is he thinking? I mean if I had to defend against the Raven's I'd just play zone cover 1 and ignore the backfield altogether. The ravens have proven to be horrible in red zone, so why play like you've only got 20 yards to work with anywhere on the whole freakin field???

Essentially he's taking spotty defenses like [the Browns'] and condensing it so that it doesn't have to rely as much on sheer talent. And the Ravens HAVE recievers that can catch well and go long - Mason especially. They had the recievers before, Billick just never used them. I mean lets face it, despite being a tight end, Heap is an exceptional reciever, he has the height and the talent to make big plays. Granted, by playing short, Billick is playing to the strengths of his offense, but he's also playing to whatever strength the defense has. And I'm sorry, but it took nearly 4 entire quarters to get the hint that you're two touchdowns behind and you need to make big plays? Why in the sam hill did it take that long???

And this isn't mentioning the indecision that failed to challenge an obviously bad touchdown call that could have made the game a great deal more managable.

I just don't know. I love the defense, they give a lot of looks, they play the deception card, even if they aren't necessarily good at one or two of those looks. The offense makes the occational great read, or great fake, which picks up good yardage, but then, even when they're doing really well, they still look the same, all game long.

Am I the only one that thinks the team needs an Offensive Coordinator or a new Head that is more willing to take risks, and to trust his recievers?

Somebody defend him please, I could use the opposite perspective sometime before I become completely disillusioned with the offense.

[buckeyewayne]

But in 2000 we had arguably the best defense in football history and a bad offense. Now we have a halfass job of offense and defense.

hey, if it were up to me, Billick would have been gone when Mr. Steve sat him down

last year and gave him the big talk. Right now, I would love to see Bill Cowher here,

he is a proven winner and knows how to get the most out of his players. Billick's only

claim to fame is the one Super Bowl and with the players he had that year, anyone

could have coached them through. Proving that even a blind squirrel finds an acorn

once in a while. He is dismal at calling plays and always has a major excuse or an

alibi for everything that happens. And is the worst at clock management ever.

They will never win anything with him in the driver's seat. Getting to the playoffs

and flopping big time (like last year) is no accomplishment. And having an offensive

coordinator that you allow to do nothing is a title and nothing else.

[Reed_4_President]

I think Coach Billick has been here long enough and needs to go. That late throw of the flag was ridiculous.

I would have had it thrown out in a second, it was clear as day the nose of the football wasn't even across the goal line. BUT I will always APPRECIATE ALL Coach BILLICK HAS DONE FOR US WINNING US A SB ETC and the 13-3 record last year but Billick wont go unless fired he still has 2 years left on his contract because of the 13-3 record last year he had a new contract made up.... In my opinion they should have gave him a max of 2 years not 3, or even 1.

But YOU ALL HAVE TO REMEMBER that was also McNairs doing more then COACH BILLICKS . Coming in his first year and killing clock time and lighting it up at the end for a variety of last minute wins hes the guy to really deserve last years record under his belt (I wish he could have a SB RING .We hadn't did anything until McNair came to Baltimore seems kind of weird doesn't it so you cannot deny that McNair was the MAIN MAN on us going 13-3 NOT BILLICK, maybe Billick helped some what but McNair carried us last year and our D WOW was it on FIRE LAST YEAR compared so far to this year QBS couldn't go anywhere last year seems like this year they have all the time in the world to sit back and wait for an open receiver, losing AD is not why our D got SOFT I WISH I HAD A REASON WHY THEY DID.

And also finally we had someone to TEACH MR. BOLLER (Mr. McNair) to bring out his potential. Pretty SAD out of all them QB COACHES WE HAD TO HELP HIM they didn't even HELP. McNair comes along after 1 YEAR & gets Kyle's confidence back and brought the TALENT HE HAD from the COLLEGE DAYS in CAL that was stuck down in HIS CHEST FOR SO MANY YEARS!! and brought it to the top!!.

Now I am still not a Boller fan until he proves he can win on the road multiple times, and doesn't make any old Boller stupid mistakes.. tripping running like he is Mike Vick, dropping the ball etc. He has 2 more games at home as well to prove to me he is a WINNER like he won us the game against the JETS. And the last minute drive against the Cardinals to HEAP, but you also got to remember the ruffing penalty after his catch put us in FIELD GOAL RANGE....

I think if we bring in someone else maybe we can start getting our OFFENSE RECOGNIZED we do have the play makers. We just need a QB to make this happen we need to form TROY SMITH INTO THE HEALTHY Donavan McNabb. I am still saddened by the fact if BOLLER does stay consistent the rest of his CAREER AS a RAVEN the name is still TARNISHED to all the fans from all the other TEAMS out there!! and that will be the embarrassing and hard to fight topic.

[dsizzle007]

all i can say is this. Billick ends up leaving Baltimore... dont expect success. We'll all be kicking ourselves in the a** and ready to beg him to come back.

[Raven07]

he received a Contract Extension this offseason so there is no need to worry about him going anywhere anytime soon

[Slick]

hey, if it were up to me, Billick would have been gone when Mr. Steve sat him down

last year and gave him the big talk. Right now, I would love to see Bill Cowher here,

he is a proven winner and knows how to get the most out of his players. Billick's only

claim to fame is the one Super Bowl and with the players he had that year, anyone

could have coached them through. Proving that even a blind squirrel finds an acorn

once in a while. He is dismal at calling plays and always has a major excuse or an

alibi for everything that happens. And is the worst at clock management ever.

They will never win anything with him in the driver's seat. Getting to the playoffs

and flopping big time (like last year) is no accomplishment. And having an offensive

coordinator that you allow to do nothing is a title and nothing else.

sorry, but are you a Raven's fan or not? I really can't tell. I wouldn't take Cowher here over Billick anyday, besides he seems fine and comfy in his press box. A prime example of how not just *anybody* could've coached our 2000 team to the playoffs is what Norv Turner is making of the Chargers this year. He came in with a great team with young stars and a generally good group and he's brought them out to a 1-3 start. Billick is the coach for this team, he has given us a Superbowl, our players play their hearts out for him, and just because Billick gives excuses doesnt mean he's not right. in the years following the superbowl the problems on our team really were opened up: poor offense. Since then he's been working to build a solid solid football team and this year I honestly think he's achieved that goal. the only problem is that we've been hindered by setbacks such as injuries and a lack of discipline resulting in careless penalties. All of you need to stop Ragging on Billick. when we go 6-10 MAYBE I'll consider letting him go, but not after all the effort him, ozzie, and the rest of the staff have put into this team.

[Tiz]

How could anyone ever think this? I heard it from many.

AD was one of th most versatile and best players Baltimore EVER had. He may not have been the 'loudest' player on our defense....but he was(still is) amazing!

The Raven's haven't had any real issues replacing defensive players, we replaced Bouleware with no issue and I felt/feel that replacing AD wasn't going to be a big issue either.

I'm really concerned with some of the play calling on offense and the lack of use of Willis.

[Tiz]

I don't think Billick needs to leave. I like him as HC because he seems very genuine in his desire to stay in Baltimore. I think we need to provide him with an OC that can come in and establish their own touch to this team and have Billick removed from that aspect of the team.

[beach08]

TOO CONSERVATIVE........ When the defense is failing and saying let us play REAL FOOTBALL.... not mind games, I'd say thats being conservative