Ravens Eying Marshall Again?

[BloodRaven]

Ben Wallace might make a good TE

[Geno the booter]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='30 July 2009 - 06:34 PM' timestamp='1248996841' post='213491']
For the last couple weeks, I have been torn about this. But over the last few days I've started to lean in the direction of not going after Marshall. I think we need to pocket the money so that we can resign Ngata and Gaither in the near future. How do we know that our recievers are going to be so bad when we havent even given them a chance? Before we give an arm and a leg including a potential Ed Reed or Terrell Suggs when we give away 2 draft picks for a reciever who could get into trouble at any time, lets give the guys we have a shot.

But if I wake up tomorrow and see that we traded for Marshall, thats okay too. Because I know that we have the best guys in the NFL in our organization and I'm confident that whatever decision they make will be the right one.
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http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/index.php?showtopic=10132

The Ravens aren't going to resign any of our players this year. With the chance of it being uncapped, they won't risk it where they could just make there guys Restricted Free Agents. SO that means 11 million dollars this year on a Brandon Marshall or 11 million on guys we need to pick up off the street while guys get injured. Hmm I think Marshall or Boldin would be good pick up.

[SupaBwandin]

Ive been pulling for this trade to go through ever since he asked for the trade, but i dont really care anymore. Ive always loved Demetrius Williams and hes looking really good so far, letsjus see if he can go a full season. For his sake, he better.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='Geno the booter' date='30 July 2009 - 07:45 PM' timestamp='1249001144' post='213525']
http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/index.php?showtopic=10132

The Ravens aren't going to resign any of our players this year. With the chance of it being uncapped, they won't risk it where they could just make there guys Restricted Free Agents. SO that means 11 million dollars this year on a Brandon Marshall or 11 million on guys we need to pick up off the street while guys get injured. Hmm I think Marshall or Boldin would be good pick up.
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Even so, we are still giving up probably 2 draft picks. What if we traded away our pick that we eventually used on Ed Reed? Or Terrell Suggs? Or Haloti Ngata? I say keep the draft picks and lets go with what we have.

[Geno the booter]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='30 July 2009 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1249005783' post='213548']
Even so, we are still giving up probably 2 draft picks. What if we traded away our pick that we eventually used on Ed Reed? Or Terrell Suggs? Or Haloti Ngata? I say keep the draft picks and lets go with what we have.
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Or what if we were to draft another Mark Clayton or Travis Taylor? I mean if there gonna draft another WR in the draft..why not just go with a proven guy?

[ROH522155]

[quote name='Geno the booter' date='30 July 2009 - 09:12 PM' timestamp='1249006328' post='213552']
Or what if we were to draft another Mark Clayton or Travis Taylor? I mean if there gonna draft another WR in the draft..why not just go with a proven guy?
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ya know like i said in my post above, whatever our organization decides to do, I will agree with. But right now it just seems that Ozzie will not be willing to give up the money or the draft picks

[Purple and Black Forever]

If anything is going to happen, it would happen after his hearing on August 12th or 13th can't remember when, the outcome of that predicts if he will be suspended or not. He can't help us if he is suspended.

As for the trade, I actually think the Broncos would rather get something like a 3rd and 2 5ths. Next year may be the last year where the rookies can get these monsterous contracts (see Stafford) and every agent will be shooting as high as possible. Having two firsts and no salary cap equals a HUGE amount of money, which I don't think anyone will invest, except for Al Davis or Jerry Jones.

[reediddy]

I had a dream that Marshall was on the Ravens, since I live in SD I can't watch the games on TV so I have to settle for ESPN Gamecast, anyway my dream was seeing Flacco to Marshall 80 yards and I woke up with my heart racing ahhhhh I want it to happen!!!!

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='KevinB' date='30 July 2009 - 07:57 PM' timestamp='1248998267' post='213502']
Wow that pic of Steve McNair is powerful. Him looking down at us. Very touching!!
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[center]I think this picture describes McNair perfectly
[/center][center][img]http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2006-10/25680935.jpg[/img]
[/center][center]An inspiration to keep pushing and never quit.

RIP Steve McNair [/center]

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='30 July 2009 - 07:34 PM' timestamp='1248996841' post='213491']
For the last couple weeks, I have been torn about this. But over the last few days I've started to lean in the direction of not going after Marshall. I think we need to pocket the money so that we can resign Ngata and Gaither in the near future. How do we know that our recievers are going to be so bad when we havent even given them a chance? Before we give an arm and a leg including a potential Ed Reed or Terrell Suggs when we give away 2 draft picks for a reciever who could get into trouble at any time, lets give the guys we have a shot.

But if I wake up tomorrow and see that we traded for Marshall, thats okay too. Because I know that we have the best guys in the NFL in our organization and I'm confident that whatever decision they make will be the right one.
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I agree with you. I think we all panicked after Mason announced his retirement out of the blue. What is the first reaction from a good fan? To go out and replace him with the best WR on the market. I think Ozzie and Harbs would like to bring in someone of Brandon Marshall's caliber, but it just might not be in our budget. They are looking at the BIG picture and far down the road for this team. As fans, we don't have to balance the budget for players, we get to choose people like it's fantasy football and not a business. They see Gaither, Clayton, DW, Jameel McClain and Ngata as vital pieces we need to keep in order to remain successful for years to come. Marshall might keep us from re-signing our young up and comers, which might result in a huge set back.

We will run the ball the majority of the time and Our RBs and FBs have great hands to make catches out of the backfield. We beefed up our O-Line with a tremendous athlete in Michael Oher and we will be getting back our top reciever, Todd Heap. Heap holds all our receiving records. 374 catches for 4,300 yards and 30 TDs. Don't underestimate how crucial it will be if we can get him back in top form!

[T-Sizzle55]

I think Mason has been mentoring Clayton to take over for him after he leaves. Clayton has skills but he had a different roll than Mason and didn't have #1 WR responsibilities. He wasn't asked by Cam if he can handle close to 100 catches last season. I believe Demetrius Williams is on his way to making a name for himself and becoming a serious deep threat and a big time playmaker. Todd Heap will be our go to guy up the middle and a reliable target in the redzone (once again). It's Ray Rice's turn to go to the Pro-Bowl this year and reporters have said that both Le'Ron McClain and Willis McGahee are in incredible shape. I'm not even going to get into our defense, but it's completely stacked - just overloaded with talent. Our back-ups could start on other teams. Our Defense's impact could possibly be the equivalent of the Patriot's 2007 offense.

[RavensIQ]

Been awhile sinced I weighed in (mainly bcuz I was banned :/) but I want to address 2 issues on the Marshall topic. By the way forgive me in advance if my typing is jacked up cuz I'm on my blackberry.

Ok issue #1: Not having enough money to sign Ngata if we trade for Marshall

This is a myth. Do not let these talking heads on the radio or in the newspapers fool you as if they know this to be a fact. As of right now this is the last year with a salary cap limit. Meaning technically as long as we're willing to pay the mone

[RavensIQ]

Issue #2: Giving up a 1st and 3rd isn't worth it.

Umm...YES IT IS!

As opposed to what? Drafting a WR in round 1 next year (maybe having to throw in an extra pick to move up a couple spots to get him) all in hopes of after ayear or 2 he'll eventually being as good as Brandon Marshall is NOW??? Not to mention Brandon Marshall hasn't even peeked yet in terms of potential. That's like saying instead of trading a 1st round pick for Ed Reed, let's use that pick and draft a safety in hopes of him being the next Ed Reed...

Marshall is only what 26? He's just now entering his prime. The learning curv

[52Kia Kaha92]

YAH IQ is back, glad your back bro.

[Ravnet]

We can bring in Marshall and still resign Ngata/Gaither.

[Mick0311]

[quote name='RavensIQ' date='31 July 2009 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1249079232' post='213797']
Issue #2: Giving up a 1st and 3rd isn't worth it.

Umm...YES IT IS!

As opposed to what? Drafting a WR in round 1 next year (maybe having to throw in an extra pick to move up a couple spots to get him) all in hopes of after ayear or 2 he'll eventually being as good as Brandon Marshall is NOW??? Not to mention Brandon Marshall hasn't even peeked yet in terms of potential. That's like saying instead of trading a 1st round pick for Ed Reed, let's use that pick and draft a safety in hopes of him being the next Ed Reed...

Marshall is only what 26? He's just now entering his prime. The learning curv

[52Kia Kaha92]

if we can bring is Marshall and still retain Gaither, Ngata, Yanda, Koch and Washington im all for it, otherwise im not

[RavensIQ]

Next year = no cap
We also don't have to worry abour Ogdens and McNairs cap hits any more.
The league continues to gain revenue each year
The new CBA hasn't been negotiated yet

So where do people get the idea that we won't be able ti resign our players when time comes?

For all we know there will be a lockout in 2011 which means no football for us to watch. Shoot if there's going to be a lockout I'd rather us do what it takes to win a superbowl now so we can be reigning champs for the next 2 years

[Bltravens]

all i know is if we want to be consistently successful against good teams with above average defenses (ie playoffs) then we have to find a way to keep that 8th man out of the box on every damn play.

[J-man]

To tell you the truth, I think Mason is coming back...

[macbrak]

And if they make an CB agreement we'd loose a bunch of people when they'd be cut due to cap.

Bye Bye consistent top 5 defense.

[Bltravens]

man i hope that doesnt happen, not only is there no football to watch but when hockey had their lockout and initiated their cap it was a giant fiasco with player movement. Each team lost at least 2-3 2nd level stars and producers and everyones rosters were completely different it was chaos.

[berad]

[quote name='RavensIQ' date='31 July 2009 - 06:27 PM' timestamp='1249079232' post='213797']
As opposed to what? Drafting a WR in round 1 next year (maybe having to throw in an extra pick to move up a couple spots to get him) all in hopes of after ayear or 2 he'll eventually being as good as Brandon Marshall is NOW??? Not to mention Brandon Marshall hasn't even peeked yet in terms of potential. [b]That's like saying instead of trading a 1st round pick for Ed Reed, let's use that pick and draft a safety in hopes of him being the next Ed Reed...[/b]
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You can't compare Ed Reed to Brandon Marshall. Apples to immature, less-talented oranges.

We would have to give up high draft picks to land Marshall, especially now that Mason is contemplating retirement, we've lost most of our leverage in the any potential trade dealings. And those picks wouldn't have to be for wide receivers, there are more ways to improve a passing game and a team, overall, than one [i](i.e. MICHAEL OHER)[/i]. Successful teams build through the draft and [b]smart[/b] free agent moves. Not frivolous, impractical actions.

I can understand the sense of confusion and desperation because of the lack of proven players at our receiver position, but in the case of Marshall: [b]Pros < Cons[/b]. And [i]that[/i] is why Ozzie hasn't made a move yet.

[Geno the booter]

[quote name='RavensIQ' date='31 July 2009 - 07:14 PM' timestamp='1249085687' post='213820']
Next year = no cap
We also don't have to worry abour Ogdens and McNairs cap hits any more.
The league continues to gain revenue each year
The new CBA hasn't been negotiated yet

So where do people get the idea that we won't be able ti resign our players when time comes?

For all we know there will be a lockout in 2011 which means no football for us to watch. Shoot if there's going to be a lockout I'd rather us do what it takes to win a superbowl now so we can be reigning champs for the next 2 years
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We will have 11 million to spend if Mason retires. So yes we have the money to get Marshall this year and then sign all of our guys next year.

If there's a cap, and if it were to be the same it is now, we would be 30+ million under the cap just to start. So yes, everything is possible, just pray he pulls the trigger .

[52Kia Kaha92]

we wouldnt be 30 mil under
We would have to resign Yanda, Gaither, Washington, possibly extend Ngata so tat would take a good hunk of cash

Remember most deals go up in cap every year, they dont stay the same

[berad]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' date='31 July 2009 - 11:07 PM' timestamp='1249096057' post='213858']
we wouldnt be 30 mil under
We would have to resign Yanda, Gaither, Washington, possibly extend Ngata so tat would take a good hunk of cash

Remember most deals go up in cap every year, they dont stay the same
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Very true, not all contracts are structured as [i]$x million/year[/i]; there are tons of incentives/signing bonuses/performance bonuses. Also, the players' agents aren't stupid: they know when the cap rises, too, and they will demand more money, accordingly.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

ok here is the thing he gets $2.198 million this year we would have to match or increase for him to come by nfl rules in trades you basicly pick up the contract do we have that ammount????

and coincidently he only had 3 100 + games and 1 multi td game last season so my question is you say he is better then clayton is he realy? I say about the same

[Ravens52]

Well, we can all forget this now!

[FlaccoFlicker]

[quote name='Ravens52' date='01 August 2009 - 01:54 PM' timestamp='1249149247' post='213966']
Well, we can all forget this now!
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lol agreed ravens got mase back so um no marshall

[tweety]

The Raven just don't have the pressure or confidence to make the move of Marshall anymore. Our big ticket Receiver will have to be pursued next year.