Clayton Named Ravens #1 Wr?

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='neepo13' date='24 July 2009 - 05:16 PM' timestamp='1248473765' post='209779']
[b]Clayton did what was asked of him. One player does not make a team and he cant do it all by himself. If our offense is struggling vs. whatever team, chances are he's not going to look so great either.[/b] When our offense played well vs. whatever team he had a very good day. Hell, even Chad Johnson looked like rubbish when the Bengals offense was not playing well. Surely, you dont think he couldnt be atleast a great #2. Stop trying to make it more then what it is. Football is a TEAM sport. He cant look good if Flacco is laying on his back most of the day, it just cant happen. [b]Stats are nothing if you cant put them in context.[/b]

If a RB rushes for 40 yards on 19 carries and then he rips off a 60 yard td in garbage time, the stats will show he had a good day running the ball, when he was really lousy and did nothing to help the team win.
[/quote]
really?
24-10 Washington vs Baltimore, Flacco 134yards 1TD 1INT (clayton 19yards 0tds)
41-13 Baltimore vs Houston, Flacco 185yards 2TD's, Smith 1TD (clayton 40yards 0tds)
10-29 Oakland vs Baltimore, Flacco 140yards 1TD (clayton NOTHING)
27-13 Baltimore vs Miami, Flacco 232yards 1TD (clayton 13yards)
All wins, all good games by Flacco and no production from clayton
There is your context

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' date='25 July 2009 - 03:02 PM' timestamp='1248487376' post='209845']
really?
24-10 Washington vs Baltimore, Flacco 134yards 1TD 1INT (clayton 19yards 0tds)
41-13 Baltimore vs Houston, Flacco 185yards 2TD's, Smith 1TD (clayton 40yards 0tds)
10-29 Oakland vs Baltimore, Flacco 140yards 1TD (clayton NOTHING)
27-13 Baltimore vs Miami, Flacco 232yards 1TD (clayton 13yards)
All wins, all good games by Flacco and no production from clayton
There is your context
[/quote]
Thats only one game over 200 yards, not discrediting Flacco - all I'm saying is it's not there's a great passing offense at the best of times. Clayton does draw coverage away from Mason.

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' date='24 July 2009 - 03:49 PM' timestamp='1248464986' post='209678']
on the home page of the website you will see that Clayton has been named #1 WR

[url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2009/07/Claytons_Now_No_1.aspx"]clayton now #1 article[/url]

But what ever happened to Mason...I know he has said he was going to retire but from what I've heard Harbs has said that he has felt optimistic about Mason returning for the 09-10 season and Mason hasnt "officially retired" so why are they naming Clayton the #1 WR?

Also I would like to point out the fact that why is Clayton are #1...he didnt show anything in the 08 season [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/markclayton/gamelogs?id=CLA796702"]Clayton game by game stats[/url]
Games he got over [b]50[/b] yards: 2nd CLE game, 2nd CIN game, PHI, JAX...
the only team that was any good last year was PHI and they were struggling when we played them and [b]he only had 76 yards.[/b]
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Only 76 yards!!
If he did that every week he would have over 1200 yards for the year.

I beleive in Clayton. He had number 1 stats with McNair at Quarterback and with Joe there now i have faith in Clayton. Clayton had more yards and receptions than mason did in the last 8 games last year so I strongly believe he can be the #1 wideout. Besides we have Rice, McGahee and McClain so we can just run it 40 times a game

[Ravenskid2085]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' date='24 July 2009 - 04:59 PM' timestamp='1248469143' post='209735']
I'm happy to see we sign Bennett..Clayton CAN NOT be the #1 WR he isnt good enough read my first post to see why and check out the link
[/quote]
You seriously think Drew Bennetts better than Mark Clayton??
Clayton will do fine. Trust me.

[neepo13]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' date='24 July 2009 - 10:02 PM' timestamp='1248487376' post='209845']
really?
24-10 Washington vs Baltimore, Flacco 134yards 1TD 1INT (clayton 19yards 0tds)
41-13 Baltimore vs Houston, Flacco 185yards 2TD's, Smith 1TD (clayton 40yards 0tds)
10-29 Oakland vs Baltimore, Flacco 140yards 1TD (clayton NOTHING)
27-13 Baltimore vs Miami, Flacco 232yards 1TD (clayton 13yards)
All wins, all good games by Flacco and no production from clayton
There is your context
[/quote]

Wow, a whooping 1 game over 200 yards, 0 where the ball was thrown more then 25 times, and 1 game with over 15 completions by Flacco. Those numbers are average at best.

Mason in those same games:

vs. Oakland- 1 catch for 3 yards. Infact of Flacco's 140 passing yards, 70 (thats half) came on the D. Williams TD.

vs. Houston- 3 catchs for 41 yards. Basically, the same as Clayton, average at best.

vs. Washington- 3 catchs for 60 yards. Average at best.

vs. Miami- 6 catchs for 87 yards. This is the only one of those four games that I would consider a good day by our passing offense that Clayton flat out failed in.

What I consider good days for our passing attack:

vs Jacksonville: Flacco- 17/23 for 297 yards- Clayton- 4 for 128 yards. Mason-6 for 77.

vs Cin.2: Flacco: 19/29 for 280 yards. Clayton-5 for 164 yards. Mason- 6 for 91 yards.

vs Cle. 2: Flacco: 17/29 for 248. Clayton- 4 for 87 yards. Mason- 9 for 136 yards.

Thats FOUR good days by our passing attack as a whole and only one of which Clayton didnt succeed in. Yup, all our passing attacks problems are his fault.

[bce086]

[quote name='neepo13' date='24 July 2009 - 11:18 PM' timestamp='1248491890' post='209873']
Wow, a whooping 1 game over 200 yards, 0 where the ball was thrown more then 25 times, and 1 game with over 15 completions by Flacco. Those numbers are average at best.

Mason in those same games:

vs. Oakland- 1 catch for 3 yards. Infact of Flacco's 140 passing yards, 70 (thats half) came on the D. Williams TD.

vs. Houston- 3 catchs for 41 yards. Basically, the same as Clayton, average at best.

vs. Washington- 3 catchs for 60 yards. Average at best.

vs. Miami- 6 catchs for 87 yards. This is the only one of those four games that I would consider a good day by our passing offense that Clayton flat out failed in.

What I consider good days for our passing attack:

vs Jacksonville: Flacco- 17/23 for 297 yards- Clayton- 4 for 128 yards. Mason-6 for 77.

vs Cin.2: Flacco: 19/29 for 280 yards. Clayton-5 for 164 yards. Mason- 6 for 91 yards.

vs Cle. 2: Flacco: 17/29 for 248. Clayton- 4 for 87 yards. Mason- 9 for 136 yards.

Thats FOUR good days by our passing attack as a whole and only one of which Clayton didnt succeed in. Yup, all our passing attacks problems are his fault.
[/quote]

Beautiful post Neepo...

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='24 July 2009 - 09:57 PM' timestamp='1248487059' post='209841']
Last season

Mark Clayton caught 54.7% of the passes thrown his way

Derrick Mason caught 68.4% of the passes thrown his way

[b]Don't look for a breakout season because it won't happen. Flacco would have to throw to Clayton almost 200 times to get 100 receptions. 80 receptions? around 150 attempts, and we are a run first team, Clayton will never "break out".[/b]
[/quote]

That's just not true. I understand you don't believe in Clayton and thats cool but those number are actually way off.

Yes Clayton and Flacco only connected on 54% but Clayton was also credited for 0 dropped balls. Clayton was only thrown to 75 times which averages out to about 4.5 attempts a game, lets round it off to 5. Clayton caught 41 passes, that averages out to about 2.8 catches a game. Again lets round that off to 3. So what that means is that for every 5 attempts Flacco and Clayton connected on 3. 3/5 is about 54% So giving more opportunities it's safe to say Clayton would have had more catches.

So if Clayton and Flacco couldn't connect on only 2 or every 5 attempts, and Clayton didn't drop a single pass, it means Flacco just missed Clayton for whatever reason. Flacco should improve this year with the offensive line improving as well as him being more comfortable and confident within the offense. I could definately see a breakout year from Clayton. Giving the fact that he caugth every 3 out of 5 balls thrown to him and didn't drop any, i think it's safe to say that if he was given the same 7 attempts per game that Mason was, Clayton would catch atleast every 5 out of 7 and that would up his percentage to about 71%. So that 54% is a little misleading.

So giving those numbers. 5 catches per game would be 80 recs. 7 attempts per game would be 112 total attempts. Clayton average 17 ypc last year and caught a TD every 13.6 catches. Lets say we drop him down to about 16.5ypc to avoid inflation.

That would give Clayton numbers that look similar to this. 80recs 1320yds 7TDs. I would say that is a breakout year for any 5th year WR. As far as Clayton catching 100 balls, it's unlikely. Hell it was only 2 WRs in the whole NFL that did that last year.

So yes Mason caught 68% and Clayton 54% but they both caught balls at the same rate. Mason was given 117 chances and Clayton 71. Mason got about 7 chances a game and caught 5, Clayton 5 chances and caught 3. Mason was credited for 6 drops, Clayton 0. So given the same amount of chances i'm pretty sure Clayton would have had a percentage as good if not greater then Mason's.

I'm not saying Clayton is better then Mason, but he definately can produce at a similar rate if given the opportunities.

[tweety]

[quote name='Florida_Bird' date='24 July 2009 - 07:18 PM' timestamp='1248477536' post='209795']
Hey guys, I have been lurking around these boards for a while, and this is the first time I really felt compelled to post.

It seems like most people are not convinced that Clayton can provide the same kind of production that we received from Mason last year. I'm not ready to say that Clayton will be a good #1, but I think his past performance indicates he has what it takes to be a first option in our passing game, and I think the numbers back me up.

Last year Mason was obviously the receiver Flacco was most comfortable with, especially early in the season. He caught 80 balls for 1,037 yards and 5 TD's.

Clayton only had 41 rec. for 695 yds and 3 TD's. However, his production definitely climbed along with Flacco's comfort. Over the last 8 games of the season, Clayton averaged 66.3 yards/game. Assuming that Flacco will at least be as good this year as he was the second half of last season, we can extrapolate the 66.3 yds/g to 16 games, and it comes to 1061 yards, more than Mason had last year.

Because of this, taken with the fact that in 2006 Clayton had 939 yards, I see no reason Clayton cannot provide us with 70 balls for 1000 yards, which is what we expected from Mason. By no means and I saying Clayton will perform at this level, but he has proven he can produce at that level in the past.
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First, I would like to say Welcome to the Official Ravens Board.
Second, I totally agree with you (enough said, lol)

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='24 July 2009 - 11:25 PM' timestamp='1248492347' post='209876']
That's just not true. I understand you don't believe in Clayton and thats cool but those number are actually way off.

Yes Clayton and Flacco only connected on 54% but Clayton was also credited for 0 dropped balls. Clayton was only thrown to 75 times which averages out to about 4.5 attempts a game, lets round it off to 5. Clayton caught 41 passes, that averages out to about 2.8 catches a game. Again lets round that off to 3. So what that means is that for every 5 attempts Flacco and Clayton connected on 3. 3/5 is about 54% So giving more opportunities it's safe to say Clayton would have had more catches.

So if Clayton and Flacco couldn't connect on only 2 or every 5 attempts, and Clayton didn't drop a single pass, it means Flacco just missed Clayton for whatever reason. Flacco should improve this year with the offensive line improving as well as him being more comfortable and confident within the offense. I could definately see a breakout year from Clayton. Giving the fact that he caugth every 3 out of 5 balls thrown to him and didn't drop any, i think it's safe to say that if he was given the same 7 attempts per game that Mason was, Clayton would catch atleast every 5 out of 7 and that would up his percentage to about 71%. So that 54% is a little misleading.

So giving those numbers. 5 catches per game would be 80 recs. 7 attempts per game would be 112 total attempts. Clayton average 17 ypc last year and caught a TD every 13.6 catches. Lets say we drop him down to about 16.5ypc to avoid inflation.

That would give Clayton numbers that look similar to this. 80recs 1320yds 7TDs. I would say that is a breakout year for any 5th year WR. As far as Clayton catching 100 balls, it's unlikely. Hell it was only 2 WRs in the whole NFL that did that last year.

So yes Mason caught 68% and Clayton 54% but they both caught balls at the same rate. Mason was given 117 chances and Clayton 71. Mason got about 7 chances a game and caught 5, Clayton 5 chances and caught 3. Mason was credited for 6 drops, Clayton 0. So given the same amount of chances i'm pretty sure Clayton would have had a percentage as good if not greater then Mason's.

I'm not saying Clayton is better then Mason, but he definately can produce at a similar rate if given the opportunities.
[/quote]

Awesome post. I am not trying to crown Clayton as the savoir, he's still got to prove himself but I see no reason why everyone has to be so pessimistic about our wr situation without Mason.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='neepo13' date='24 July 2009 - 11:18 PM' timestamp='1248491890' post='209873']
Wow, a whooping 1 game over 200 yards, 0 where the ball was thrown more then 25 times, and 1 game with over 15 completions by Flacco. Those numbers are average at best.

Mason in those same games:

vs. Oakland- 1 catch for 3 yards. Infact of Flacco's 140 passing yards, 70 (thats half) came on the D. Williams TD.

vs. Houston- 3 catchs for 41 yards. Basically, the same as Clayton, average at best.

vs. Washington- 3 catchs for 60 yards. Average at best.

[b]vs. Miami- 6 catchs for 87 yards. This is the only one of those four games that I would consider a good day by our passing offense that Clayton flat out failed in. [/b]

What I consider good days for our passing attack:

vs Jacksonville: Flacco- 17/23 for 297 yards- Clayton- 4 for 128 yards. Mason-6 for 77.

vs Cin.2: Flacco: 19/29 for 280 yards. Clayton-5 for 164 yards. Mason- 6 for 91 yards.

vs Cle. 2: Flacco: 17/29 for 248. Clayton- 4 for 87 yards. Mason- 9 for 136 yards.

Thats FOUR good days by our passing attack as a whole and only one of which Clayton didnt succeed in. Yup, all our passing attacks problems are his fault.
[/quote]

Well in that Mia game Flacco had 17 completions. 10 of 17 went to RB/TE position. Clayton was thrown to 2 times in that game and caught one pass.

I think it is really unwise to judge much off of what happend last year. Even in my above post, those numbers or projected numbers won't mean anything this year. No one knows what will happen with the WR group. All we can do is watch and have faith for the best.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='24 July 2009 - 11:38 PM' timestamp='1248493101' post='209886']
Well in that Mia game Flacco had 17 completions. 10 of 17 went to RB/TE position. Clayton was thrown to 2 times in that game and caught one pass.

[b]I think it is really unwise to judge much off of what happend last year.[/b] Even in my above post, those numbers or projected numbers won't mean anything this year. No one knows what will happen with the WR group. All we can do is watch and have faith for the best.
[/quote]

I agree.

[Fred Sanford]

We hardly ever threw deep to Mason last year, and most times we threw deep were to Clayton. Particularly early in the year, most of those balls were way underthrown or overthrown. Even later in the year, when Clayton had to full stretch or come back in double or once triple coverage for an underthrown ball, he made amazing plays on the ball.

For a guy 5'10", that's extremely impressive. I can't wait for Mark to make doubters look stupid this season.

[Tyler]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' date='24 July 2009 - 04:59 PM' timestamp='1248469143' post='209735']
I'm happy to see we sign Bennett..Clayton CAN NOT be the #1 WR he isnt good enough read my first post to see why and check out the link
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DREW BENNETT????? there is no way he will be our number 1. i don't even see him making the final roster cuts. he is a bum. Out of his prime. Clayton has so much more upside. I don't like this move at all. Bennett is 30 years old and i can't wait for him to get cut so we can let some of our younger, more talented guys take the field and leave the special teams guys like kelly washington on the bench. Come on man, if your getting excited about drew bennett then don't get your hopes up.... b/c clayton is def. a better receiver than bennett any given sunday.

[tweety]

I agree I'm not confident Bennett will make the final cut. I am very proud of how to Thread has back Clayton. The Numbers only co-sign with the supporters.

[slugz1]

Go mark ppl always talking bout we need a deep threat mark is our deep threat and our speed guy. If you want a pro bowl high profile guy, hey you can find two of them in arizona go be a cardinals fan. Mark had 2 less td's than mason forget the yards if you cant score. Do yall like what holmes did for pittsburgh? if so then you should like mark cause his yard per catch is higher than holmes. You want as yall say a true number 1 go be a lions fan and root for calvin johnson. PS stealer fans go do something with yall selves get off our site if we wasnt a threat why is yall all on this site worrying about us? You think we are worrying about the bengals right now? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Once we dethrown yall we wont worry bout yall anymore either, thats the only reason why we talk bout yall so much. If the lion would have beaten us three times we would have been worrying about beating them so dont think yall is that special.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='slugz1' date='25 July 2009 - 01:05 AM' timestamp='1248501918' post='209935']
Go mark ppl always talking bout we need a deep threat mark is our deep threat and our speed guy. If you want a pro bowl high profile guy, hey you can find two of them in arizona go be a cardinals fan. [b]Mark had 2 less td's than mason forget the yards if you cant score.[/b] Do yall like what holmes did for pittsburgh? if so then you should like mark cause his yard per catch is higher than holmes. You want as yall say a true number 1 go be a lions fan and root for calvin johnson. PS stealer fans go do something with yall selves get off our site if we wasnt a threat why is yall all on this site worrying about us? You think we are worrying about the bengals right now? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Once we dethrown yall we wont worry bout yall anymore either, thats the only reason why we talk bout yall so much. If the lion would have beaten us three times we would have been worrying about beating them so dont think yall is that special.
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You know, I get blind homerism has its place and stats can be twisted either way but the percentages dont lie.

Mason catches a much higher percentage of passes thrown his way than Clayton, by the same QB. Clayton doesnt drop much but he doesnt track the ball nearly as well...

Mason means:

Less incompletions

More passing yards

Better QB rating

Less defenders in the box

Stronger run game

More rushing yards

More time driving downfield

Less time the D has to play

Less punts

More points

Higher chance of winning

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='lowrider' date='24 July 2009 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1248465814' post='209687']
Flacco improving is more important than Mason returning. His learning curve is different now, granted. But if he learns to throw to someone else then I'm not worried. I guess now he has to learn. The fate of our offense isn't decided by Mason. Last year it was decided by Mason. This year is different.
[/quote]

It is important for football players or any athlete (or coach) to have consistency. From the coaching staff, to the players, to the equipment manager, they all knew what they could expect from Mason - Day in and day out. He spent 4 fantastic seasons with this organization and can be directly linked to Joe's smooth transition to the tough and rigorous play on the gridiron.

Mark Clayton, although very talented, is not the poster boy for consistency - Mason was. Mason is the guy who could handle an offensive coordinator asking for 10 catches a game, 1,000+ yards, and 6+ touchdowns a season. Not only would he be there for you in the post season, but that's where players like him shine. The coaches have no security with Clayton because he's never had the role of a #1 WR before. The players, fans, and even Clayton himself could be surprised by his level of play this upcoming season. I've always liked Clayton and I hope he is ready for the chance he's waited his entire career for.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='25 July 2009 - 02:30 AM' timestamp='1248503443' post='209937']
[b]You know, I get blind homerism has its place and stats can be twisted either way but the percentages dont lie.

Mason catches a much higher percentage of passes thrown his way than Clayton, by the same QB. Clayton doesnt drop much but he doesnt track the ball nearly as well...[/b]

Mason means:

Less incompletions

More passing yards

Better QB rating

Less defenders in the box

Stronger run game

More rushing yards

More time driving downfield

Less time the D has to play

Less punts

More points

Higher chance of winning
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Actually as i pointed out in one of my previous post Percentages do lie. Mason and Clayton couldn't connect on the same 2 pass attempts per game for whatever reason. The difference being Mason was given 7 chances to catch 5 balls and Clayton was given 5 chances to catch 3. Now give or take a few attempt per game and the percentages look like this.

Mason 5-7 71%
Clayton 3-5 60%

As for Clayton not being able to track the ball as well as Mason, that remains to be seen imo. Mason caught a lot of balls in the 0-20 yard range and QBs are highly accurate in that range and connect at a higher percentage. While Clayton was giving attempts 40+ yards down the field, QBs are less accurate and connect at a lower percentage downfield. So tracking a ball 20 yards down field is nowhere near as difficult as doing it 40+yards down the field. Clayton had some great over the shoulder catches that showed his ability to track the ball.

As for your list well. I agree Mason can provide all of those things, however Clayton does as well so it doesn't really make a great comparison.

Many people are saying that Clayton can't be a #1WR or our top guy. Well he has never had to be that guy. I promise, if you go back about 8-9 years and ask Titan fans how they thought about Mason being their #1 WR, you would probably get alot of the same comments that many people are making about Clayton. Mason's first 4 seasons he produced 110 catches 1503 yards and 8 TDs and that was playing with a QB in McNair who had been in the league for a couple years. Many here want to throw Clayton under the bus for playing with a rookie QB, a worn down QB, and a QB who couldn't hit a 10yard out twice in a row to save his life.

I'm not saying that Clayton will be the best WR the Ravens have had since Mike Jackson, but give the guy a chance. I know many will say he has had 4 years already, but lets not act like we are the Colts, Saints, Chargers, or Cardinals here. This is seemingly the first year that this organization will have a good QB in back to back years, and a great OC. Give it a chance to work before you throw it out.

[darklight1216]

Great post, Rf23. I'd give you a plus 1 if I could.
I'm starting to think of Mark Clayton as being more than an afterthought.

[macbrak]

Mason was just what the doctor ordered for a Rookie QB thrown into the fire out right. He's a great route runner and synced with Joe from the get go. His numbers may have been better if he wasn't so bashed up, Clayton's may have been better if he'd connected with Flacco earlier.

Clayton hasn't broken through for what he was brought on for, a big gain receiver that shouldn't reflect on him not being a good receiver. Hopefully he can thrive in the void left and one of the others can step up.

[tweety]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='25 July 2009 - 07:55 AM' timestamp='1248522914' post='209955']
Actually as i pointed out in one of my previous post Percentages do lie. Mason and Clayton couldn't connect on the same 2 pass attempts per game for whatever reason. The difference being Mason was given 7 chances to catch 5 balls and Clayton was given 5 chances to catch 3. Now give or take a few attempt per game and the percentages look like this.

Mason 5-7 71%
Clayton 3-5 60%

As for Clayton not being able to track the ball as well as Mason, that remains to be seen imo. Mason caught a lot of balls in the 0-20 yard range and QBs are highly accurate in that range and connect at a higher percentage. While Clayton was giving attempts 40+ yards down the field, QBs are less accurate and connect at a lower percentage downfield. So tracking a ball 20 yards down field is nowhere near as difficult as doing it 40+yards down the field. Clayton had some great over the shoulder catches that showed his ability to track the ball.

As for your list well. I agree Mason can provide all of those things, however Clayton does as well so it doesn't really make a great comparison.

Many people are saying that Clayton can't be a #1WR or our top guy. Well he has never had to be that guy. I promise, if you go back about 8-9 years and ask Titan fans how they thought about Mason being their #1 WR, you would probably get alot of the same comments that many people are making about Clayton. Mason's first 4 seasons he produced 110 catches 1503 yards and 8 TDs and that was playing with a QB in McNair who had been in the league for a couple years. Many here want to throw Clayton under the bus for playing with a rookie QB, a worn down QB, and a QB who couldn't hit a 10yard out twice in a row to save his life.

I'm not saying that Clayton will be the best WR the Ravens have had since Mike Jackson, but give the guy a chance. I know many will say he has had 4 years already, but lets not act like we are the Colts, Saints, Chargers, or Cardinals here. This is seemingly the first year that this organization will have a good QB in back to back years, and a great OC. Give it a chance to work before you throw it out.
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You put things into perspective nicely.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

people need to think , clayton had a decent couple of years minus 2 years ago
he has been in the leagur 4 so my question if mason suposedly called clayton and told him the torch was being passed should we not listen to mason , veterns know more then we do

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' date='24 July 2009 - 09:07 PM' timestamp='1248487629' post='209847']
Thats only one game over 200 yards, not discrediting Flacco - all I'm saying is it's not there's a great passing offense at the best of times. Clayton does draw coverage away from Mason.
[/quote]
are you joking? It should be the other way around buddy...you act like Clayton is T.O. or Fitz..NO ONE IS COVERING HIM MORE THAN MASON nor are they double covering him... but if you look sure your right only 1 game over 200 yards but he only has like 20yards of it..not enough to be a #2 WR

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' date='24 July 2009 - 09:21 PM' timestamp='1248488494' post='209850']


Only 76 yards!!
If he did that every week he would have over 1200 yards for the year.

I beleive in Clayton. He had number 1 stats with McNair at Quarterback and with Joe there now i have faith in Clayton. Clayton had more yards and receptions than mason did in the last 8 games last year so I strongly believe he can be the #1 wideout. Besides we have Rice, McGahee and McClain so we can just run it 40 times a game
[/quote]
Okay for one thing Mason played with one arm....and also the fact that THE TEAMS WERE HORRIBLE are you not understanding this...he doesnt ever do good unless he is playing against crappy defenses

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='neepo13' date='24 July 2009 - 10:18 PM' timestamp='1248491890' post='209873']
Wow, a whooping 1 game over 200 yards, 0 where the ball was thrown more then 25 times, and 1 game with over 15 completions by Flacco. Those numbers are average at best.

Mason in those same games:

vs. Oakland- 1 catch for 3 yards. Infact of Flacco's 140 passing yards, 70 (thats half) came on the D. Williams TD.

vs. Houston- 3 catchs for 41 yards. Basically, the same as Clayton, average at best.

vs. Washington- 3 catchs for 60 yards. Average at best.

vs. Miami- 6 catchs for 87 yards. This is the only one of those four games that I would consider a good day by our passing offense that Clayton flat out failed in.

What I consider good days for our passing attack:

vs Jacksonville: Flacco- 17/23 for 297 yards- Clayton- 4 for 128 yards. Mason-6 for 77.

vs Cin.2: Flacco: 19/29 for 280 yards. Clayton-5 for 164 yards. Mason- 6 for 91 yards.

vs Cle. 2: Flacco: 17/29 for 248. Clayton- 4 for 87 yards. Mason- 9 for 136 yards.

Thats FOUR good days by our passing attack as a whole and only one of which Clayton didnt succeed in. Yup, all our passing attacks problems are his fault.
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Look at the teams he is playing against...maybe you all dont understand this thread....OMG NOT THE POWER HOUSE DEFENSE OF THE CLEVELAND BROWNS/CINCINNATI/JACKSONVILLE (which was the last game and they had nothing to play for)

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='slugz1' date='25 July 2009 - 01:05 AM' timestamp='1248501918' post='209935']
Go mark ppl always talking bout we need a [b]deep threat mark is our deep threat and our speed guy.[/b] If you want a pro bowl high profile guy, hey you can find two of them in arizona go be a cardinals fan. Mark had 2 less td's than mason forget the yards if you cant score. Do yall like what holmes did for pittsburgh? if so then you should like mark cause his yard per catch is higher than holmes. You want as yall say a true number 1 go be a lions fan and root for calvin johnson. PS stealer fans go do something with yall selves get off our site if we wasnt a threat why is yall all on this site worrying about us? You think we are worrying about the bengals right now? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Once we dethrown yall we wont worry bout yall anymore either, thats the only reason why we talk bout yall so much. If the lion would have beaten us three times we would have been worrying about beating them so dont think yall is that special.
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do you even watch Ravens games?

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' date='24 July 2009 - 10:38 PM' timestamp='1248493101' post='209886']
Well in that Mia game Flacco had 17 completions. 10 of 17 went to RB/TE position. Clayton was thrown to 2 times in that game and caught one pass.

[b]I think it is really unwise to judge much off of what happend last year.[/b] Even in my above post, those numbers or projected numbers won't mean anything this year. No one knows what will happen with the WR group. All we can do is watch and have faith for the best.
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you have to judge him from last years performance...[b]Mason was injured [/b]and HE STILL DIDNT STEP UP...you have to judge players from what they did last year...do you pick players in the NFL draft by not looking at their games in college?

[neepo13]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' date='25 July 2009 - 02:58 PM' timestamp='1248548288' post='210015']
Look at the teams he is playing against...maybe you all dont understand this thread....OMG NOT THE POWER HOUSE DEFENSE OF THE CLEVELAND BROWNS/CINCINNATI/JACKSONVILLE (which was the last game and they had nothing to play for)
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The fact that our best passing days came vs bottom of the barrell defenses is an indiction of how bad it is as a whole, not how bad one player is. Nevermind the days that were all around good days by our passing offense, look at Masons numbers in the 4 games that YOU cited as good games for Flacco that Clayton didnt do well in. vs Oakland Mason had 1 catch for 3 yards. vs. Houston his numbers were the same as Claytons. The only one of those games where Mason and our passing offense in general put up a great performance and Clayton didnt was vs. Miami. vs. Oakland and vs. Washington were both horrible games by Flacco, decent for us giving the circumstances, but if Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or any top QB put in that type of performance the wr's would not be getting the blame for that subpar perfromance. Beyond that, like I said previously every time our passing offense had a good day Clayton did as well. And no, under 15 completions for less then 150 yards is NOT a good day for a QB.

[ravensfan2430]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' date='24 July 2009 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1248486632' post='209836']
if he doesnt get open, he doesnt get the ball
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If Flacco doesn't look his way, he doesn't get the ball.

[tweety]

[quote name='WACKO4FLACC0' date='25 July 2009 - 02:53 PM' timestamp='1248548033' post='210013']
are you joking? It should be the other way around buddy...you act like Clayton is T.O. or Fitz..NO ONE IS COVERING HIM MORE THAN MASON nor are they double covering him... but if you look sure your right only 1 game over 200 yards but he only has like 20yards of it..not enough to be a #2 WR
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We played two wides out during most passing plays, so yes both receivers were double teamed. Corner under and Safety above. Look what Clayton did against the Bengals when they didn't have a Safety on top and he was in one-on-one coverage. Wacko you are in multiple thread creating a sub par record. Do you even know who our 3rd receiver was last year?