Ravens V. Steelers

[thewarden86]

[quote name='RAVEN63' date='24 July 2009 - 09:57 PM' timestamp='1248487029' post='209838']
I dont like the steelers. OR THE FANS OF STEELERS.
So because Ben has been with better women.
Then he must have been shocked more by a less good looking woman.
How dare her not want to be with a steeler....
give me a break....
Im surprised hines ward didnt go blindside block her yet....
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Any chance you can rewrite this so it makes sense? Thanks.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='lowrider' date='24 July 2009 - 04:53 PM' timestamp='1248468785' post='209722']
[b]But there will be people that do hate him for it. And no matter what he does his reputation will never be the same. Kobe was innocent (or at least in the court of law he was)[/b] and people still said he was a rapist. Doesn't matter if he is innocent or guilty his reputation will be ruined, granted the levels of his reputation being ruined differs if he is guilty over innocent. People will still make statements to get under his skin and when your character is questioned, it will still get to him. Then the media will distract him.

I think he made a poor decision on who to hang around but if he is innocent, which until guilty he is, that women is a sick and pathetic human being. These situations are terrible but there is no doubt it will hurt him. It will hurt him mentally more than physically. And how hard football is you need all the mental toughness you can get. Which is kind of why I hope Mason stays retired.
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I think another example most if not all ravens fans are familiar with is the Ray Lewis one, where he was found not guilty (aka innocent) of the murders... yet to this day, people still call him a murderer :/ (and they are idiots)

[quote name='thewarden86' date='24 July 2009 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1248475843' post='209788']
I think Ben has been told "Yes" by better. This woman has mental issues as well.
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I'm surprised you use the word think and not know.... being Ben Rothlessberger and all

[darklight1216]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' date='27 July 2009 - 12:21 AM' timestamp='1248668514' post='210332']
thats not true his worst statistical year was 2006
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That is true. I was willing to overlook that year since he was injured and all, but why does he deserve a break?

Here's hoping he has another post- Super Bowl, after unpleasant offseason, dissapointing year.

[Tighthead420]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='24 July 2009 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1248475843' post='209788']
I think Ben has been told "Yes" by better. This woman has mental issues as well.
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As I heard it, this is not the first time she has pulled this stunt. As much as Dildoberger annoys me, he is more than likely innocent.

But you are fooling yourself if you say this won't affect him. Regardless of what the outcome of the case will be, it will be in his head until then. Ben has proved that adversity can be overcome, but some things will eat at you and affect performance. This is no different. Now the degree to which he will be affected....that can be argued. I say not much because, as many on this topic have stated, she is a gold-digging hooch. Plus he knows his innocence. Still, the civil case brings a whole different set of issues. He knows jail is not in the equation, but what if he feels that he must settle? How much money will he have to pay this tramp in said settlement? How much time out of the season will have to be dedicated to fight this? If the suit goes to trial, does she have some sort of evidence that's damning? Remember, in these types of cases the plaintiffs need not prove anything necessarily, just insinuate. The hit to the reputation alone is enough to make most people, companies or whatever balk.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Tighthead420' date='27 July 2009 - 04:32 PM' timestamp='1248726724' post='210579']
As I heard it, this is not the first time she has pulled this stunt. As much as Dildoberger annoys me, he is more than likely innocent.

But you are fooling yourself if you say this won't affect him. Regardless of what the outcome of the case will be, it will be in his head until then. Ben has proved that adversity can be overcome, but some things will eat at you and affect performance. This is no different. Now the degree to which he will be affected....that can be argued. I say not much because, as many on this topic have stated, she is a gold-digging hooch. Plus he knows his innocence. Still, the civil case brings a whole different set of issues. He knows jail is not in the equation, but what if he feels that he must settle? How much money will he have to pay this tramp in said settlement? How much time out of the season will have to be dedicated to fight this? If the suit goes to trial, does she have some sort of evidence that's damning? Remember, in these types of cases the plaintiffs need not prove anything necessarily, just insinuate. The hit to the reputation alone is enough to make most people, companies or whatever balk.
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I dunno Tighty. There are a lot of "ifs" in there.

As far as it affecting Ben, I understand what all of you are saying, but I believe Ben is operating under his faith in both his innocence (sp?) and the legal system. Many people don't believe her story and I think SHE will have more pressure on her than he will on him. We'll just have to agree to disagree. We'll find out soon enough.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='27 July 2009 - 05:22 PM' timestamp='1248729767' post='210594']
I dunno Tighty. There are a lot of "ifs" in there.

As far as it affecting Ben, I understand what all of you are saying, but [b]I believe Ben is operating under his faith in both his innocence[/b] (sp?) and the legal system. Many people don't believe her story and I think SHE will have more pressure on her than he will on him. We'll just have to agree to disagree. We'll find out soon enough.
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Then again, he could buckle under a guilty conscience... who knows...

[thewarden86]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='27 July 2009 - 05:25 PM' timestamp='1248729940' post='210597']
Then again, he could buckle under a guilty conscience... who knows...
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Always with the negative...

This reminds me of an article entitled something to the effect of "List of reasons Why woman are crazy" that I read a while back:

[quote]#13. If there are two ways to interpret something, a woman will always choose the negative.[/quote]

....just sayin.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='27 July 2009 - 05:37 PM' timestamp='1248730670' post='210609']
Always with the negative...

This reminds me of an article entitled something to the effect of "List of reasons Why woman are crazy" that I read a while back:



....just sayin.
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First of all: that is low.
[img]http://media.photobucket.com/image/kick%20nuts/Purple_Haze_240/My%20Stuff/kick-gif.gif?o=24[/img]

Secondly, my point of view is positive for a Ravens fan. If a star player on a divisional rival team does badly for whatever reason, that is a good thing for one's team.

[RAVEN63]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='27 July 2009 - 03:40 PM' timestamp='1248723627' post='210546']
Any chance you can rewrite this so it makes sense? Thanks.
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Ok.
Since you cant read.
I DONT LIKE STEELERS FANS,THE TOWN THE SMELL THE LOOK.
Everything about Pittsburgh You too!!!
Since you are so cocky and need to come over here and be a ars.
Ben cant handle being a man that is rejected buy a woman.
Which got him in trouble.
You are cocky and look for trouble and cant let things go.
I DONT LIKE YOU ,YOU KNOW THAT.
Do you feel better you come over here and start trouble???
If Ben had a bad year last year and did not win a superbowl ,
would you still be sticking up for him??
I say no...

[thewarden86]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='27 July 2009 - 05:48 PM' timestamp='1248731300' post='210614']
First of all: that is low.
[img]http://media.photobucket.com/image/kick%20nuts/Purple_Haze_240/My%20Stuff/kick-gif.gif?o=24[/img]

Secondly, my point of view is positive for a Ravens fan. If a star player on a divisional rival team does badly for whatever reason, that is a good thing for one's team.
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I hear that! One problem though; It's not going to happen. lol.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='RAVEN63' date='27 July 2009 - 05:53 PM' timestamp='1248731622' post='210616']
Ok.
Since you cant read.
I DONT LIKE STEELERS FANS,THE TOWN THE SMELL THE LOOK.
Everything about Pittsburgh You too!!!
Since you are so cocky and need to come over here and be a ars.
Ben cant handle being a man that is rejected buy a woman.
Which got him in trouble.
You are cocky and look for trouble and cant let things go.
I DONT LIKE YOU ,YOU KNOW THAT.
Do you feel better you come over here and start trouble???
If Ben had a bad year last year and did not win a superbowl ,
would you still be sticking up for him??
I say no...
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Okay, in the spirit of the no smack rule, I'm going to keep my hooked on phonics comments to myself. Otherwise, I am crushed that you don't like me. *sniffle*

For the record though, Ben DID win the Super Bowl and I would [u]definitely[/u] stand up for him even "if" he didn't. One has nothing to do with the other.

[Moderator 3]

A couple of things to remember:

1) personal "squabbling" is not allowed.

2) fans of all teams are welcome to post in these forums as long as they abide by our Code of Conduct.


If these (deleted) attacks continue, this thread is going to disappear.

[1/28/01]

Just ignore all the immature morons that float around here.

They're the same guys petitioning to have Smith be the starter as well as trade for Moss, TO, Boldin, Fitz and C Johnson.

Then we'd be stacked and would never be beat.

Picture it now.....Smith scrambles, tosses a hitch to Moss on his tip toes on the sideline who then laterals to TO who runs to the star and laterals to Marshall who then tosses it to the corner for a Fitz jump ball.

Man, that's going to be awesome. And all this under cap. Ozzie, get it done!

[Xxx52xxX]

[quote name='Moderator 3' date='27 July 2009 - 07:51 PM' timestamp='1248738685' post='210659']
A couple of things to remember:

1) personal "squabbling" is not allowed.

2) fans of all teams are welcome to post in these forums as long as they abide by our Code of Conduct.


If these (deleted) attacks continue, this thread is going to disappear.
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Thank you for changing the name of the post [if it was you that did it] im sorry if i got outta line in anway i just dont like people attacking my favorite players... my bad but to answer the question i dont think it will affect Big Ben i may not like him but he has alot of heart he will bounce back from this incident but not against our D this year

[thewarden86]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='27 July 2009 - 07:56 PM' timestamp='1248738976' post='210662']
Just ignore all the immature morons that float around here.

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I'd just like to add a reminder: If you (anyone, not you 1/28/01) absolutely can't stand a particular poster and want to avoid seeing thier posts then it's as simple as this:

1). Click "Manage Ignored Users" at the top of the page.
2). Add the name of that user (it will auto fill as you type).
3). Click "save" and it's a done deal.

-Happy posting.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='27 July 2009 - 06:02 PM' timestamp='1248732178' post='210617']
I hear that! One problem though; It's not going to happen. lol.
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We will see about that...

[quote name='thewarden86' date='27 July 2009 - 06:07 PM' timestamp='1248732461' post='210619']
Okay, in the spirit of the no smack rule, I'm going to keep my hooked on phonics comments to myself. Otherwise, I am crushed that you don't like me. *sniffle*[/quote]
I like you, Warden.
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For the record though, Ben DID win the Super Bowl and I would [u]definitely[/u] stand up for him even "if" he didn't. One has nothing to do with the other.
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Liking a player even when they lose... that would be the definition of "fan" wouldn't it?
You think you'll still stand up for him if something incriminating were to turn up?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='27 July 2009 - 09:20 PM' timestamp='1248744011' post='210688']
We will see about that...


I like you, Warden.

Liking a player even when they lose... that would be the definition of "fan" wouldn't it?
[b]You think you'll still stand up for him if something incriminating were to turn up?[/b]
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"[b]IF[/b]" he is guilty of raping a woman, I will think him nothing but trash and would hope that they lock him up and throw away the key. That would have to be decided in criminal court first of all, and I doubt it'll ever get there. My reasons? Because I think this broad is just trying to get money from him. I believe him to be innocent based on the information available right now.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='27 July 2009 - 09:30 PM' timestamp='1248744617' post='210693']
"[b]IF[/b]" he is guilty of raping a woman, I will think him nothing but trash and would hope that they lock him up and throw away the key. That would have to be decided in criminal court first of all, and I doubt it'll ever get there. My reasons? Because I think this broad is just trying to get money from him. I believe him to be innocent based on the information available right now.
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Well okay then. Good for you.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='darklight1216' date='27 July 2009 - 10:27 PM' timestamp='1248748040' post='210704']
Well okay then. Good for you.
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You asked. ::

[Steelerkillers]

we dont need any hand-outs! i wouldnt wanna play the Steelers this season if they're gonna be Benless. That way there will be no excuses for beating them or why they lost. It will make beating them more sweet! I think that if we sit around hoping and focussing on Ben Losing his mind or not playing to his potential, thats trying to take the easy way out. Thats the guy who swept us the entire 2008 season and stopped our superbowl dreams, thats who we should want playing his best football. If my fellow Raven fans wont agree,i know the Steeler fans will. Theres more important things to be concerned or nervous about. For example;Receivers!

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Steelerkillers' date='27 July 2009 - 11:37 PM' timestamp='1248752231' post='210728']
we dont need any hand-outs! i wouldnt wanna play the Steelers this season if they're gonna be Benless. That way there will be no excuses for beating them or why they lost. It will make beating them more sweet! I think that if we sit around hoping and focussing on Ben Losing his mind or not playing to his potential, thats trying to take the easy way out. Thats the guy who swept us the entire 2008 season and stopped our superbowl dreams, thats who we should want playing his best football. If my fellow Raven fans wont agree,[b]i know the Steeler fans will.[/b] Theres more important things to be concerned or nervous about. For example;Receivers!
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Lol, of course Steeler fans want him playing his best next season.

We could say that the Ravens only lost because of the early bye, or because we had a reciever who had use of one arm, or because our starting linebacker had to tackle with one arm, or because the refs were unfair, the planets were not aligned, the wind was too strong, or any number of reasons but we don't. If Ben is affected by this, I for one won't accept that as an excuse.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='27 July 2009 - 05:37 PM' timestamp='1248730670' post='210609']
Always with the negative...

This reminds me of an article entitled something to the effect of "List of reasons Why woman are crazy" that I read a while back:



....just sayin.
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surprised to see your still moving with a blow like that

[quote name='RAVEN63' date='27 July 2009 - 05:53 PM' timestamp='1248731622' post='210616']
Ok.
Since you cant read.
I DONT LIKE STEELERS FANS,THE TOWN THE SMELL THE LOOK.
Everything about Pittsburgh You too!!!
Since you are so cocky and need to come over here and be a ars.
Ben cant handle being a man that is rejected buy a woman.
Which got him in trouble.
You are cocky and look for trouble and cant let things go.
I DONT LIKE YOU ,YOU KNOW THAT.
Do you feel better you come over here and start trouble???
If Ben had a bad year last year and did not win a superbowl ,
would you still be sticking up for him??
I say no...
[/quote]

why do you *dislike* him, minus him being a steeler fan, He's just defending his team, just like you would do if someone attacked the ravens organization

[quote name='1/28/01' date='27 July 2009 - 07:56 PM' timestamp='1248738976' post='210662']
Just ignore all the immature morons that float around here.

They're the same guys petitioning to have Smith be the starter as well as trade for Moss, TO, Boldin, Fitz and [b]C Johnson.[/b]

Then we'd be stacked and would never be beat.

Picture it now.....Smith scrambles, tosses a hitch to Moss on his tip toes on the sideline who then laterals to TO who runs to the star and laterals to Marshall who then tosses it to the corner for a Fitz jump ball.

Man, that's going to be awesome. And all this under cap. Ozzie, get it done!
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but, but, but, I was one of the people who said we should go for Calvin Johnson... or are you talking about ocho cinco, but that was back before the draft, and that was for a few draft picks.. thought it was viable at the time w/ the lions being 0-16 had thought rebuilding year for them, rebuilding year = need of quantity and quality draft picks.... and well megatron would be nice on our team

[quote name='thewarden86' date='27 July 2009 - 09:30 PM' timestamp='1248744617' post='210693']
"[b]IF[/b]" he is guilty of raping a woman, I will think him nothing but trash and would hope that they lock him up and throw away the key. That would have to be decided in criminal court first of all, and I doubt it'll ever get there. My reasons? Because I think this broad is just trying to get money from him. I believe him to be innocent based on the information available right now.
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but, what happens if he's found guilty, and the authorities get you and him confused?


[quote name='darklight1216' date='27 July 2009 - 11:48 PM' timestamp='1248752911' post='210738']
Lol, of course Steeler fans want him playing his best next season.

We could say that the Ravens only lost because of the early bye, or because we had a reciever who had use of one arm, or because our starting linebacker had to tackle with one arm, or because the refs were unfair, the planets were not aligned, the wind was too strong, or any number of reasons but we don't. If Ben is affected by this, I for one won't accept that as an excuse.
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How about the grass was too green, or the sun was too bright?(granted most of the games were played at night) or best yet, the snow wasn't white enough.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='28 July 2009 - 12:56 PM' timestamp='1248738976' post='210662']
Just ignore all the immature morons that float around here.

They're the same guys petitioning to have Smith be the starter as well as trade for Moss, TO, Boldin, Fitz and C Johnson.

Then we'd be stacked and would never be beat.

Picture it now.....Smith scrambles, tosses a hitch to Moss on his tip toes on the sideline who then laterals to TO who runs to the star and laterals to Marshall who then tosses it to the corner for a Fitz jump ball.

Man, that's going to be awesome. And all this under cap. Ozzie, get it done!
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Hahahaha wonderful. My concern is the lack of Adrian Peterson and Michael Turner in this play?

[rlh445]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='24 July 2009 - 04:36 PM' timestamp='1248467768' post='209710']
Fisrt of all, I ALWAYS screw up which one to use (effect or affect). I think it's "affect" in this case.

Second, this issue distracting him cannot be assumed. Look at the 2007 Patriots. He has the support of his teammates, his city, fans across the globe and many major sports media (no not just ESPN).

My assumption is that he's innocent. With this in mind, he has nothing to fear.
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Must agree with Warden here..Ben is a rich, famous athlete..and a frat boy to boot. He doesn't have to rape chicks to get laid, Hell, I would be willing to bet that chicks attempt to rape him.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='rlh445' date='28 July 2009 - 08:42 PM' timestamp='1248766945' post='210806']
Must agree with Warden here..Ben is a rich, famous athlete..and a frat boy to boot. He doesn't have to rape chicks to get laid, Hell, I would be willing to bet that chicks attempt to rape him.
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Whilst I agree with everything you say, I think its more a case of 'I can' with some of these guys (where true) than 'I want' or 'I need.' These sports stars know they are powerful and that the law is applied differently to them. They get lighter sentences and can buy their ways out of situations.

[b]I'm not at all saying Ben did this by the way - this is just regarding the issue of celebrity males and accusations of a sexual nature.[/b]

The thing with the judicial system is, ultimately, unless there is evidence beyond reasonable doubt, convictions cannot be made. That, combined with large financial means and great representation means that these cases will likely be not guilty, unless unequivocal evidence can be provided - and that is very rare.

[jfc13]

[quote name='rlh445' date='28 July 2009 - 03:42 AM' timestamp='1248766945' post='210806']
Must agree with Warden here..Ben is a rich, famous athlete..and a frat boy to boot. He doesn't have to rape chicks to get laid, Hell, I would be willing to bet that chicks attempt to rape him.
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While I think Ben is probably innocent, being rich and famous doesn't mean someone won't rape, no matter how many women are fighting to be with them. Rape isn't about 'getting laid', it's about power.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='27 July 2009 - 08:11 PM' timestamp='1248739878' post='210671']
I'd just like to add a reminder: If you (anyone, not you 1/28/01) absolutely can't stand a particular poster and want to avoid seeing thier posts then it's as simple as this:

1). Click "Manage Ignored Users" at the top of the page.
2). Add the name of that user (it will auto fill as you type).
3). Click "save" and it's a done deal.

-Happy posting.
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You are the man! Steelers suck, though.

[Moderator 3]

Since this thread no longer seems to have anything to do with football, it doesn't belong in "Ravens Talk". Off-Topic here it comes.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Moderator 3' date='28 July 2009 - 10:37 AM' timestamp='1248791872' post='210856']
Since this thread no longer seems to have anything to do with football, it doesn't belong in "Ravens Talk". Off-Topic here it comes.
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Oh goodie.