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it's kind of got to the point where there isn't much more to discuss lol, people have their preferred prospects and hopeful outcomes that have been carefully researched and reinforced over months - everyone's mind is set in some way or other

we do really just need thursday night to be here already

3 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I feel like we're all just cherry picking theories and scenarios that fit our preferred prospects.

you're absolutely right of course - and the debate is kind of defunct anyway because we shouldn't be debating who we would take but who is the better player because when it comes down to it, the ravens are gonna go bpa so the best player left will be the one we take

- it doesn't matter if tunsil or ramsey are the bigger need because we aren't drafting for need even if it is hard to forget about that aspect of every pick

25 minutes ago, nishadrahman13 said:

Absolutely a fair point, and there's a solid chance that the 36th pick goes in another direction. That's probably the most difficult pick to determine in this draft, because who knows who will fall to that slot.

for me it'll probably be a trench guy because people always reach on pass rushers and corners

at OL: cody whitehair, ryan kelly

at DL: andrew billings, ashawn robinson, chris jones maybe nkemdiche

of course those aren't the sexy picks - and we may have some players who might be available here rated higher - sua cravens might be rated high on the ravens board or a wide receiver might fall (although they are often reached on)

i'd love it if one of the other corners was around at the beginning of the second like mackensie alexander or william jackson iii (if other gms go crazy) but i don't see it - especially as no one's going to take a defensive lineman because there is so much depth in this draft

i guess i could see cleveland trading back with miami and taking ragland or someone like that at 13

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Whoever it was said the only trade they see potentially happening is the Dolphins moving up for Elliott.

and even then, it would be to get ahead of the browns or the giants - and i dont see the browns with their analytics taking a rb at 8 anyway

12 minutes ago, nishadrahman13 said:

I completely agree, he's more of an athlete than a football player at this point. However, they said the same thing with Ziggy Ansah and he's been the most productive pass rusher out of that draft. Basically, he's also likely not to be pure BPA at that spot. That's basically a fact. But two major points here: 1. He has legitimate potential, and 2. There's gonna be a big run on corners in this draft from late 1st to mid 2nd round, and I really think our hand will be forced to take a corner earlier than we might have that player graded.

unfortunately, you've basically given the reason we won't pick burns there - if there's a run on corners, it means that other higher graded prospects are falling - and oz and eric will stick to bpa because it's almost like their religion - burns might go, but if there's a run it won't be to the ravens unless we have a much higher grade on him than other teams

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think it is a lot closer than people realize. I wouldn't be surprised either way. I think SD could go Buckner or Tunsil and it would make a ton of sense.

i guess the question for me, then, is whether the chargers would have buckner above ramsey on their board or whether they would be reaching for fit

either way, if their real choice is between buckner and tunsil rather than tunsil and ramsey then the board feels a lot simpler

with the 51st pick in the 2016 nfl draft, the new york jets select Le'Raven Clark OT Texas Tech

if buckner does go to the chargers, i think the only way the ravens don't get tunsil is if it someone trades up with the jags (albeit they seem to be in love with jack and won't necessarily want to risk losing him by trading back) because dallas seems to be closed for business in trade terms

daniel jeremiah seems to think that the chargers might have deforest buckner ahead of both ramsey and tunsil - this is the second consecutive mock draft he's been put there and jeremiah's only reasoning for him being there is ' Lots of rumblings about the Bolts taking Buckner over Jalen Ramsey and Laremy Tunsil. '

6 minutes ago, TurkishRaven said:

I think for us it depends on the position depth in draft. I mean Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Jack they all are good players and you cannot say one is better than the other. In this case we should be thinking about the next rounds. 

If we think we can land a good DE prospect at 2nd we should pick Tunsil or Stanley with first. Or like FO said during the pre draft meeting if they think they can land a OT at 3rd round we will go defence with first two.

 

Depends on our board. If there are 5 OTs and 20 DEs and 15 CBs and Tunsil is there we get him and hope for the best.

maybe we do this - but at the end of the day ozzie and eric will take whoever is top of their board when they got on the clock regardless of their position

1 minute ago, verified said:

This is irrelevant, Trent richardsons weight was never the problem. The problem was his lack of vision and quickness. I doubt he makes this team

he's a camp body but one who i'm sure we'll get daily updates on once we get to camp

at least we probably get to see him play in live football in the preseason before we discard him - as long as he makes it there

1 minute ago, Sizzlebshu said:

uwot m8?

GrimCoconut has been ex-communicated from the Church of The Prophet formerly known as Sizz

BSHU has tough entry requirements

i love that 4th round but im not sure tapper, ngakoue and cyrus jones all make it as much as id love all 3 - if this happens ill be elated but i can definitely see both tapper and cyrus jones being taken in the mid-late 3rd by someone

28 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I cant believe were even asking this question. Not even a week ago we thought we had no shot at either. Now we may have to choose from both. 

Now after what decosta said "id bet defense" ill go ramsey

he made that bet before the two trades meant that two qbs were definitely going 1 and 2

5 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Are you sure because l thought was only a 3rd Rounder? If it's only a 3rd rounder go ahead and get this guy. Ramsey will make our secondary scary along with Eric Weddle, Webb, and Jimmy Smith. If it's only a 3rd Rounder no question asked trade up with the Chargers because they will still get the player they want with 6 overall in Tunsil or Buckner if they're interested. Ramsey over Tunsil all the way. ?

i mean a 3rd rounder this year should also be a starter so you're asking to forego an equally good prospect in the first just for a position you consider a bigger need and in return we lose a potential good player in addition

in the draft i'd always lean towards more picks (especially in the first 2 days of the draft) coz its better odds of getting a player

i think we have to seriously consider dallas taking bosa which would leave the ravens with one of jack tunsil or ramsey depending on san diego - of course this is only one possibility but also buckner is occasionally mocked to san diego which would significantly improve the ravens chances of getting one of those above three

for me i think the pick is either gonna be tunsil or its gonna be jack on thursday night

3 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

For me Laremy Tunsil now falls into the group with Bosa at possibly available, but that all depends on SD. I also agree that Jack now scares me although all the info could be smokescreens and I've never been a fan of Buckner.

i agree that ramsey is probably the only one of tunsil and ramsey not going to be available but considering there is a 100% chance on the availability of bosa, jack, ramsey and tunsil and probably about 50% chance of tunsil or ramsey making it

4 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

Yea in 2015 I can't recall any plays where he had a one on one matchup. Here with Suggs, Doom, And Z Smith, id expect for him to get better match ups.

that's true, but i'd rather take someone who doesn't need the easier matchup to make the play and then give them the easier matchup and see what they can do rather than someone who showed only their best play when they had help

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

How are they weak? You say they're weak but explain how they are weak. I could say you're rationale is weak. If I qualify that statement by then saying that your rationale is weak because you failed to elaborate on why the points regarding SF & CLE are weak. You need to debunk someone's argument if you want to successfully challenge it. 

One thing that gets on me is criticizing without explanation. I'd love to agree with you but if you don't give me reasons and rationale that I can use to form an opinion, I simply won't. 

well i don't know where you got the SF from and I haven't checked but the only place I've seen the browns being interested in jack at 2 was in nfl.com mock drafts - that's not to say they aren't interested in him at 8

i think my main issue is i've not seen hide nor hair of this report that two of the top 10 teams have him off their board

3 minutes ago, The Negotiator said:

I would trade up with chargers give them a 3. thats around the cost and take the best player in the draft. It's a big need and he so happens to be best defensive player in the draft. Dez Bryant was right there and Cowboys jumped us. Let's be aggressive and get a true Beast. Jalen Ramsy Ravens first pick.

no point trading because he or tunsil (who i rate more highly) could well be there at 6.. why give away a valuable 3rd for a player of an equal playing ability and also at a position of need

5 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

I've seen him beating his man (effectively) only 4 times in 8 games.. I don't see him being fast, infact he collected quite many offsides for guessing the snacount wrong and his overall speed is not really good. He does show a good motor even when engaged but I wouldn't call him "fast".
I'll back it up in few hours as I finish to scrutinize the Indiana game on my Microsoft Word doc (hopefully I'll be able to upload it).

i agree, for me it's not that i'm damning him for putting in lots of effort because that's valuable but at #6 i want to see him dominant and not being forced so deep to turn the corner that he's out of the play

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

Which games did you watch? I don't think he played as well in 2015 as he did in 2014. Watch some 2014 games and then talk to me, unless you already have. I think he played a lot faster around the edge in 2014 than 2015. 

i think it also helps you be more effective when there's a good rusher on the other side (as in 2014 with spence)

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

@Sizzlebshu great analysis. I think you're right on here. 

Why not? Sizzle did a great job explaining his rationale. At least explain why you think how you do. Pretty lazy counter argument if you ask me. 

i saw somewhere (maybe bucsnation) that they seem to think that the bucs are the other team that won't take him - which would mean the ravens are fine if it's only two - although i haven't seen those "reports" about 2 of the top 10 teams at all

16 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Honest question: do you honestly think you'd feel the same way regarding Bosa if we were picking 10th? I think a lot of people down on Bosa would be begging we have a chance at him "falling" to us. 

I think the inverse of what's happened for years has taken over: we're now down on top prospects because we know we can realistically get them and are rationalizing that they're not that good and we should trade back when we'd normally be begging to get some of these guys we claim to dislike at 6. 

I think his floor is higher than Upshaw. I think the Upshaw comparison is based on the idea that Bosa is some elite run defender who doesn't rush the passer that well outside a bull rush. I'll admit that Bosa bothers me because he does rely on his bull rush at times; however, he's shown the ability to use his hands and convert speed to power to explode through the OL and get to the QB. I've also watched him round the RT using his speed and hands to bend around and get to the QB.

I think his floor is much higher than Upshaw. 

i'm not down on bosa, i just think he's not worth a 6th. you're right that i'd love him if we were picking at 10 - in fact if we could get him at 10 with a trade back i'd be ecstatic. I agree he had a much higher floor than upshaw, but I don't see him bullying defenders like suggs - for me he won in college because his technique was better than everyone else rather than any game wrecking ability

obviously if he's the pick then i bow to the better judgement of Oz ane Eric but I worry about how deep he has to get to turn the corner in a lot of his tape

4 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

VHIII, Stanley and Spence would all be available later in round 1. (and most probably outside of the top 10)... but what would someone offer in addition is the question? If we could get half of what the browns got... I say take the trade if not... take the stud at #6!

stanley and hargreaves both go in the top 15 picks and most likely the top 10, spence might fall to the end of the first in which case there is a shot in this scenario if you trade back in the first and up in the second but i reckon someone takes a chance in the 20s