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Just now, CaliRavenFan said:

If we trade back with the Titans we are getting at least two 2nd round picks, unless they give us the 1st they got from the Rams next year.

So basically it's going to come down to who we pick at #15, 36, 43, 45. Personally I would do that trade without thinking twice, we give up one player to be able to select 3 very talented players. We can draft OL, Corner, OLB and WR with those 4 picks and fill positions of need with every one.

if we end up with those 4 picks i reckon they'll be

#15: one of dodd, lawson or spence

then cravens, alexander and maybe one of the linemen like spriggs

6 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

That would be hilarious, another Ozzie swerve while the Ravens nation lose their minds.

there'd be a little outrage for sure - but if the pick was then doctson at that spot i think most of ravens nation would be sure that ozzie had lost his mind

1 minute ago, Dewy101 said:

Id take those 3 2nd round picks and be happy haha

imagine 3 high 2nd rounders and the 15th pick... i'm actually sat here salivating

1 minute ago, TurkishRaven said:

We had this argument before

would you want an elite player and 2  good players or 4 good players?

Now, it also depends on the team we talking about. I think our team is getting old and they started to getting injured so I say we should trade down.

i think it's slightly different in this year's draft though because i see less of a dropoff in talent behind those supposedly elite prospects

8 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Not alone at all. Im one of bosas biggest fans here, but if he's on the board and the saints offer a 2nd then I take it and take either Lawson or dodd at 12 and get 2 probable starters in the 2nd and I don't think twice. Think about getting lawson, and then butler or Alexander at 36 and then 6 picks later we get sua cravens or Cody whitehair, we are adding 3 game changers instead of 2 and they all fill massive needs and fit the system great(except for Alexander because he's a man only guy and we use a lot of zone from our #2, still would be huge)

I agree, this draft has a lot of depth of talent after the top 8 players or so - the dropoff is not huge from the 15th to 40th best players in the draft so any top 50 pick is incredibly valuable this year - in lieu of getting one of the top guys, more picks in the early second could be more franchise changing than banking on one superstar in the first 6 picks

Just now, beanfigger said:

That's right, and the team that drafted him kept looking for replacements because of poor play. He needed to get shipped off to get a chip on his shoulder and go beast. Perhaps we should let another team draft Zeke the same way and wait to scoop him up after he is discarded? That what you're saying?

And even more to my point, the Bills drafted arguably one of the top two or three most dominant RBs of his time, and they are currently suffering through the longest playoff drought in the league. Don't draft a RB! Wait to pick one up...like Seattle did...

they drafted one that we then took (via a few other clubs) justin forsett

also no one considers that zeke might be the next trent richardson lol

34 minutes ago, Underdogsontop! said:

Bold prediction: Noah spence falls to the 2nd round and the Browns take him. Then with in 3 months spence is room mates with Johnny fooseball and Gordon. Haha

then next off season they are all found in Vegas drunk, stoned and hallucinating respectively and separately all claiming they are staying with their 'bro' Von Miller

18 hours ago, Maryland said:

Bold prediction: Ravens have the option to draft, but instead pass on Tunsil rd. 1 and Noah Spence rd. 2

wow - i think there might be anarchy in baltimore if this happened

1 minute ago, JO_75 said:

Tuesday Night is almost over, only 1 more day before the 2016 Draft and one more day of rumors. Then all the rumors quadruple on Thursday when things start to leak, and insiders start throwing darts to see what sticks just hours before the draft.

FOX Sports' Alex Marvez says the Browns are eyeing Connor Cook in another trade down from 8 is something to keep an eye on.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/334540/browns-eyeing-qb-cook-in-another-trade-down?ls=roto:CLG:topheadlines

Yeah while Johnny Manziel was a major headache, Cook is an upgrade in that department but he still has his issues that teams are concerned about. Only the Browns.

i doubt they trade back for cook - they could get paxton lynch in a trade back if they swap with the dolphins or even the titans... as long as they pick in the top 15 they should be able to get lynch if they want him so i see no reason for them to trade back for connor cook - he's not even the 4th best qb in the draft and they should easily get him in the 2nd... and if they don't he wasn't worth the pick he was picked with (even the 2nd is rich for him)

this just sounds like one of your aforementioned darts although i guess if there was one team that would do this it would be the browns

36 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He wasn't drafted by them, but Marshawn Lynch was a top 10 pick and you cannot convince me that he was not the driving force of their offense in their Super Bowl runs. 

of course he was - but the seahawks didn't go to the superbowl until three years after he joined and his impact as a rookie for the bills didn't revitalise their season the year he was drafted

while he was the driving force for the seahawks offense in those runs, they were riding off the back of a scoring defense that was dominating the league in a way that was comparably dominant to the 85 bears and 2000 ravens

he was a nice addition to those seahawks but i bet they're glad they drafted the defensive guys they did

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Here's what we all need to ask... How many teams have been on the patriots level of consistently winning, have drafted top 10? None recently. 

 

The ravens in this situation can compare toNOBODY in recent memory. We need to stop looking at other teams recent trends in the draft because we are so far away from all of the teams who are picking top 10 every year.

i agree, and in any case, trends do not really come into it, the ravens will take the top player on their board regardless of need because we don't want to be "win now" we want to consistently win. It's not about who might get us close this year, it's about who could become a cornerstone for the foreseeable future

11 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Ok lets play the top 10 game.

Since 2008 how many cornerbacks or left tackles drafted top 10 have turned their teams into contenders? 

immediately? probably not any - there's a reason why they are drafting in the top 10 and it's because there are multiple holes on their team

i'll throw something slightly different back... how many genuine contenders in that same period didnt have solid offensive lines or playmakers in the secondary?

1 minute ago, trevorsteadman said:

That is a sad situation. The question is would we touch him knowing we would get 5 good years out of him in the second round? In my mind I think we would still avoid probably the most athletic linebacker to come out in awhile. Thanks for the update the mixed information is annoying. I think Jaylon Smith may be drafted before Myles Jack now. Both of their careers are in jeopardy now.

the timing of this announcement is just too convenient for my taste - for new information to come out a day or two before the draft suggests teams trying to get players to drop to me - the knee maybe a problem but if he really was on most teams sub-boards then he wouldn't still consistently be mocked in the top 10 at this late point

this isn't new information to the teams because they will have wrapped up and done their medical assessments of jack ages before now so I infer then that this is a "new" leak - when jaylon smith was confirmed to definitely be out for 2016 he went flying down boards from the late 1st to the late 3rd / 4th at the earliest there has been no such backlash on jack so it sounds to me like scaremongering from teams who want jack to fall to them

10 minutes ago, bcavanagh said:

So what if Zeke's career was close to mirroring APete..would you draft him 6th? I'm guessing most of us would..so if Ramsey and Tunsil are gone, we should go Zeke! I've been watching a lot of film on him and he's going to be a star from day one...I would draft mainly defense from there obviously...

AP is a great player of course, but I'd much rather have a pro bowler at linebacker or tackle or corner or rusher than an all pro at running back

Just now, Ravens559 said:

na i doubt it here's why...here's my mock

1. QB Jared goff Rams

2. DB Jalen Ramsey Eagles ( the trade up was for him not a QB... why else sign S. Bradford to a two year 36mil ? its a smokescreen based off the rams trade)

3. OT Larmy Tunsil Chargers

4. QB Carson Wentz 49ers trade up (when is the last time Chip Kelly or 49ers Drafted a 1st  round QB ? only Alex smith? not too bad imo)

5. DE Joey Bosa  Jaguars

6. QB Paxton Lynch Jets Trade up

7.RB Ezkiel Elliott Cowboys

8. OT Ronnie Staley Browns

9. CB Vernon Hargreaves Bucs

10. LB Myles Jack

the eagles have already said they're taking a qb and you better think they're being serious coz sam bradford believes them and wants a trade which means the 49ers aren't trading up

2 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Personally I have been feeling DT in the second for some time now. I think there will be someone we really like at that position. 

i agree, ashawn robinson or chris jones or andrew billings or vernon butler could all drop out of the first

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Why do you feel DT? CB seems like a stronger possibility since they specifically said 25-40 will be the heaviest hit part of the CB group. 

ravens always go bpa so if there's a run on cb, better graded players at other positions will fall

2 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

True. Just figured it was worth mentioning.

here's the mock draft one: 

http://www.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304431104579550083354271384?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304431104579550083354271384.html

they are all mostly garbage albeit walterfootball is also at the top of this one

3 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Neat. So basically Charlie Campbell and Adam Schefter are generally right more often than they're wrong, and Peter King has been about 50/50. Speaking of which, Campbell has the Ravens taking Ramsey in the 1st(passing on Tunsil) and Dodd in the 2nd. I'd love this draft.

although, be careful - that article was about rumours - there is a separate one for mock draft success

3 minutes ago, ihoxhaj3 said:

Ryan Kelly is seen as a late 1st, early 2nd round pick. 

 

So he will not be there in the 4th round.

i think he's the second best interior offensive lineman in the draft, i don't think he makes it out of the first because there are two or three teams in need of a centre in the latter half of the draft who cannot afford to wait and see if he makes it to their pick in the second - i think someone pulls the trigger on him in the first round

i could see your first 5 picks working but after that you go a little awol lol - charles tapper and cyrus jones are picks i'd be incredibly happy with if we could get both in the 4th round

55 minutes ago, CaliRavenFan said:

That's what I'm saying, I would draft him with our #136 pick. He really impressed at his pro day and with his Size (6'4 220 lbs) and Speed (4.4 40yard dash)he is a matchup nightmare. Yes he is really raw but what are 4th round picks for? He can sit for a year to learn the speed of the game and next year when Steve Smith retires he can have a chance to start opposite of Breshard Perriman. That would give Flacco two great huge and fast targets to throw too. Crockett Gillmore and Maxx Williams in our 2 TE sets would be too much for any team to handle.

no need to take him in the 4th, there's still some good players and gems in the 4th - he'll definitely be around in the 6th anyway, or at least ill be very surprised if he's not but pick #136 is a bit rich for my blood

1 minute ago, JO_75 said:

Something tells me Miami is going to have to find a way to trade ahead of Cleveland. With RG3 set at QB it seems, they need a RB like Elliott who can take the pressure off him and set up the pass. Plus with still no solution to the Josh Gordon dilemma and no additions to their receiving core, a ground and pound offense is the Browns best bet. Just they forgot about the part where they need a good defense to go along with a ground and pound attack.

probably why they want loads of picks... so many holes

22 minutes ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

I don't know what the big deal is about Trent Richardson. He was already cut by two teams- why would the FO think that our O-Line/ Coaching can turn this you young man around? smh.... Also, it would've been nice if we could've picked up Josh Norman- due to bad drafts, fa signings, and bad cap management, we can't even get pac man jones. We don't have a shut down corner, and all a good amount of our players are always injured (e.g. webb, jimmy smith, monroe, etc..). Then we get older with our free agent signings? I think this team is going in the wrong direction... We're at least two years from making the playoffs.. Lastly, Flacco isn't elite, but we pay him like an elite qb. An elite qb is good all season- not just during the playoffs.

1.) elite or not, flacco is a franchise qb so you have to pay him like a franchise qb which means you pay him whatever it takes to keep him because what's the alternative? overpaying brian hoyer and going 9-7 at best... yuck

2.) josh norman's deal was extortionate - yes he was an all-pro but he came out of nowhere, and dave gettleman's confidence in letting him go as well as Carolina's supposedly cb proof defense suggests that norman might be a system cb anyway - certainly not worth the patrick peterson, richard sherman, darelle revis money he got

3.) there's no harm in bringing trent richardson into camp as long as he doesn't become a disruptive influence - you'll note that the front office didn't sign him until he lost the weight he needed to. Yes much of that is down to his need to be in better physical condition, but more importantly for me is it demonstrates a desire to play football and work for a chance to be on a team. So this is a no risk signing - if it doesn't work out, he gets cut, if it does work out, then the ravens just got a good rb for very little money - at worst he's a warm camp body

4.) you're right that our recent drafts have been bad, but we have brought in some good free agents (even if they are older), are you really telling me you didn't want justin forsett resigned, or steve smith around or even chris canty on ravens friendly deals for the mostpart and with regards to the bad cap situation - the Pitta deal was too risky and could be suggested was an avoidable mistake, but a lot of our problems came from dead money: most of that was from the ray rice firing - now as much as ray has been victimized and maybe deserves a second chance given the treatment of greg hardy and ben roethlisberger etc, his actions left the team no choice but to cut him and I don't think anyone could really argue otherwise

5.) to argue this team is going in the wrong direction could be justified, but I'm looking at the core of this team and seeing that 2/5 of our starting o line is on rookie contracts and 5/7 maybe even 6/7 of the starting front 7 on the defense are on rookie contracts - that to me sounds like a team that's building in the right way, the sustainable way - in the trenches and through the draft

6.) it seems hypocritical to ask for pac man when you don't want us to get older through free agency - also we want to cut down on penalties because they lose games... or did you not see pac man gift wrap the steelers their victory in the playoffs

7.) yes webby and eugene are injury prone, but jimmy's injury was a freak injury as were a lot of the injuries last year - you cannot predict when a player will be injury prone either - look at perriman, his injury came seemingly out of nowhere

but who can really say - i could be completely wrong

14 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

We've met with Noah Spence twice so I don't think he's off our board.

i really do hope he's not off the board, he's got tremendous upside - i imagine that both of those meetings may have been centered on his efforts to combat addiction and insuring against relapse