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Let's draw a line in the sand then because it seems like everyone's trying to douse a tiny flame in gasoline

i personally would like to see someone with that much passion and effort join the increasingly long line of Undrafted inside backers who become special teams enforcers but simultaneously it's not going to break my heart if he doesn't make it

his play might have gone over the line, it might not have - we don't know, we weren't there but I think the reason we're talking about it so vehemently is because either way good or bad it's something the Ravens haven't had in a while

3 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

I'm not drawing any conclusions yet and that's why I said there may be a potential issue. But I have to say if your pushing a team mate down not wearing pads at a non contact practice while going out of bounds, well, I have to say that's a pretty dumb move.

i can't help thinking though that out of this situation owuasor is a winner - he's shown something (good or bad or questionable or neither) that has got the fanbase debating and talking about him seriously

1 minute ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I think the way Onwuasor is playing is reckless. You can be aggressive without being stupid and right now his style of play screams a ton of personal foul penalties. I think the coaches need to tell him the right way to play like a Raven before he knocks somebody out with a serious injury.

hes a udfa with nothing to lose - unless he's actually being reckless rather than just playing hard with a chip on his shoulder then he stands to lose nothing from these skirmishes etc. he was a nobody and now an entire fanbase is talking about him

and pollard was a similar kind of player who ravens fans still salivate over - let him have a go - if he does go overboard i trust harbs and the coaching staff to stop him (or cut him)

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

We don't know if it was or wasn't. 

And old little bit of advice I received in management was praise in public, discipline in private 

that is a very person specific piece of advice - for some (especially in sport) the opposite is sometimes more helpful

4 hours ago, fusuymada said:

I never get too high or too low before training camp. Where people were trading away running backs and tight ends because we had so many now have to backtrack and take another look. As it looks right now with the injury issues at both positions we may have to add some running backs and tight ends to keep from burning out our starting players when preseason games start. I am most worried about tight end because we already had to move Daniel Brown in because we were short. With Gilmore's injury, that really really hurts as he was a blocking nightmare for other teams. Right now with just Watson, Pitta and Daniel Brown, I am not quite as comfortable with those guys helping Stanley and keeping Flacco on his feet.

still got waller and boyle for the preseason i think

i definitely voted for brown when this poll first turned up just out of hope that he could finally make the leap and win the starting job - but obviously that doesn't look like its even a remote possibility - it looks like he isnt even earning any rotational reps - when you're missing a starting ILB and a couple of safeties are noticeably getting reps ahead of you then it looks like the answer to the question who will start is "anyone but arthur brown"

5 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

 

The potential issue is a player that is not using his head and knowing when it's appropriate to lay wood. If you're hitting a player out of bounds(Dixon), huge, costly and dumb mistake. And we know that many hits that were not flagged in previous years are now a routine 15 yard UR, or "defenseless player".  We need guys that are intelligent and can think quickly.  I'm not saying Onwuasor isn't capable of that, but there are some signs that there may be an issue. 

And a quick add........I think many are hypersensitive to the possibility of TC injuries.  Given last years bad fortune this is totally understandable.

as far as im aware, Harbs isnt an idiot - onwuasor was really being that reckless or dangerous something would have been said or he would have been sent from the practice field or he would have been sent packing by Ozzie - the fact that none of those things appear to have happened leads me to believe that the hits were fine which would suggest they are the kind of hits i want more of as a ravens fan

It is scary to think what might have been if belichick had been in Baltimore from the beginning. Considering the number of drafts the patriots just completely tune out of when they don't like the draft class - you have Ozzie tuned in and giving him consistently good classes and you might have had golddust.

11 hours ago, letitgosometimes said:

"NFL training camps begin at the end of July, and Manziel is still unsigned after being released by the Cleveland Browns in March." Manziel still has a lot of football in him. 

johnny... is that you?

30 minutes ago, The Greek said:

some of those misses came right at halftime which were over 55+ yards. sometimes harbs needs to not be so aggressive.

what's more likely to come up with points? a 55 yarder as time expires or a hail mary as time expires?  harbs should just keep doing what he's doing

Bold Prediction: not one journeyman or rookie will become a preseason darling this year

23 hours ago, Bohica5 said:

O K.....The facts are cincy owns us....that's 0-2.....The clowns have a great new offensive minded coach.....1-1...... win 2 more against the black and yellow and we could actually own the squealers but i think we go 1-1 this year with the black and yellow....let's see that's 2-4......simple but so sad we really need a qb upgrade!

oh prophet, what will the rest of our record be - i'm gonna be busy most of the autumn so can you tell me who wins now so i dont have to find time to watch?

8 hours ago, stampedehero said:

Last year our secondary and special teams were abysmal. The Miami game proved how vulnerable and short visioned the team was in the second half of games. Mistakes and lack of a quality QB were torturous to the fans. We spotted them 15 and lost by 2. Schawb looked like a former shadow of himself. It was pathetic sitting in that humidity watching that crap. We have to establish the offensive power we had in 014 and the stamina to finish as in 012.
 

our special teams unit was the best in the league last year, and what did you expect the offense to do without flacco - and btw shaub isn't on the team anymore

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

Franchise tag.

no way - he'd get the money of an elite interior pass rusher and that's way too expensive even for one of the best nose tackles in the league

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Daniel Brown.

to be fair daniel brown did show something when he made it to the active roster at the end of season last year

47 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Yeah regards to Stanley no news is good news for an olinemen. I've heard bad things about Bosa too thus far but I think it'll pass. But to here the stuff about Tunsil is beyond troubling. Tunsil comes here we probably keep Monroe(who then gets hurt) and then we have Tunsil at guard. I think Ronnie Stanley is an upgrade immediately. 

I really feel for tunsil though, he was primed to go really early, was probably reading all the stuff that the media was pushing about him being the best oline prospect in years and then he had multiple bad things come out all at once and we have to remember that these are young guys still. I do feel sorry for him - at least until I remember how much he's getting paid.

very much still glad that we got Stanley in stead even if it's just because he's charismatic. I'm personally going to temper my immediate expectations because I've seen how most of the recent rookie left tackles have struggled on entry but I'm hopeful that because he has such good footwork that he'll learn quickly and be able to recover well

55 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

He's out for the season w/ a ruptured achilles. 

jeez, until i saw the red i thought you were talking about price lol... i was just about to go "here we go again"

i guess though what this all really comes down to is my intense hope that campanaro can earn himself one last chance because i love watching him play when he's healthy

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Butler is probably the most successful, and I think that says a lot about the system in general.

To address the latter point, if you think it's a guy that could be good down the line, I'm all for keeping him and letting him develop on the 53.  There are duds that are weekly inactive/awful on the 53 every single year.  If there's going to be a guy like that, it might as well be someone with potential.

that's fair, but I think that this is a team that has quite a deep roster with usable backend of the roster types who are useful on special teams or as good depth - i don't think this will be a year for example where someone like terrance magee, who has absolutely no chance of doing anything significant, makes it

normally i'd be with you on phantom ir but i think that this year there are too many intriguing prospects + i always get scared (most of the time irrationally) that other teams will poach our late round projects off waivers or off the practice squad because we normally draft well

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Admittedly, you are talking to someone who is staunchly opposed to the whole phantom IR thing.  I've always been of the opinion that you're either good enough for the 53 or not.  I've never been one to believe (and history indicates this as well) that a year off of the field is going to somehow magically make you good enough the next year to crack the roster.

i agree that i'd rather talent just come through - but it has worked in small ways at least in the past year if you look at jeremy butler for instance - i think it comes down to the fact that so many players improve drastically just from having longer in a system - ir candidates can still do the mental stuff and watch tape and be in the room - they just can't train

if the other option is letting them go to another team and star there, i'd much rather them have a year off the field in the room and the system

5 hours ago, Danny D said:

Stanley wasn't an option.

well he must have been because that's who we picked

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Again, I wholeheartedly disagree with that premise.  I'm not saying a private trainer can hurt, but nothing is going to benefit his development more than being able to practice and participate with the team.  Being around the team helps him develop in the offense and in the scheme.

of course it does, but would i rather have camp take up that spot (someone who we know is a contributor and potential game breaker when healthy) of course i would, especially if reynolds isn't as likely to be used as much

this of course is in the hypothetical situation that camp (or another wideout like butler or daniel brown or chris mathews) does well enough that reynolds could end  up on phantom ir which in my eyes is the ideal scenario - because it means that someone won a camp battle against the odds rather than being gifted it

Just now, rmw10 said:

Development for the future.  He can't practice if he's on IR.  It's not like Reynolds would be the first developmental, weekly inactive guy on the roster, either.

as was said above though, the actual route running skills and the art of being a receiver can be learned outside of the 53 - there's no point him being a developmental guy if he's inactive if a lot of his weekly work is going to be learning a position

timing is important but he needs to get the position down first

a lot of his timing in practices isn't going to be that useful anyway as he'd mostly be running not with the 1s so he'd be receiving passes from mallet or a ps qb

43 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I disagree with that premise entirely.  You can work out with a trainer as much as you want, but at the end of the day, it comes down to repetitions with your team and developing chemistry and timing.  Working with an outside trainer certainly doesn't hurt, but I do not for one second believe it would be hugely beneficial to this transition.

he may be able to work out timings etc. but what's the point - he'd be a gameday inactive most likely or the returner - and then what use is that chemistry...

i agree that if he's beaten out by camp etc. then the best place for keenan is on phantom ir

2 minutes ago, dirtybird66 said:

i agree with not signing WILLIAMS to big deal right now,it always seems OZZIE keeps a great guy waiting in the wings like JERNIGAN to hedge his betts,i hate always losing guys to other teams,NGATA and KRUGER,are lucks gonna run out some day,but with WILLIAMS,i'd wait and see.as far as FLACCO and qb. rankings,if only he played the way he did in the superbowl year all the time,then he would be elite,but generally he ranks about 14 best,i agree,BRADFORD is better,CUTLER a notch behind.i'd actually say that COUSINS is better than FLACCO,right now and his cieling is higher,i always wished the LIONS and BRADFORD fell apart,i also wish we were in a position to grab BREES when us and other teams thought his shoulder was an issue,we would be taliking atleast 2 more BOWLS right now.

what makes you think bradford is even close to flacco let alone better and cutler and cousins are definitely behind - flacco is a franchise quarterback, if the redskins thought cousins was as good as flacco they'd have paid him rather than franchised him, if bradford was as good as flacco he wouldn't have changed teams and the eagles wouldn't have drafted his replacement and if cutler was as good as flacco he wouldn't be labelled the coach killer for getting all his head coaches fired. At worst, flacco is around the 10th qb spot.