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im seeing one too many articles on how bad our DL has gotten because we lost JERNIGAN AND GUY.. well what about DAVIS.. HENRY.. KAFUSI.. that's like 3 rookies we just got to replace them.. ALL 3 DIDNT PLAY LAST YEAR.. its like adding 3dl to our DRAFT ... AM I MISSING SOMETHING?

The interior d line is just fine, barring no injury. of course. Another corner and some O line men.........like a few O line men, and the ravens should have a pretty good roster.

I don't know why fans are so obsessed with wr, passrusher and running back. Two out of three of those positions will not matter if they don't have a decent line. The running backs were getting hit in the back field last year, and as much of a bone head I think Flacco is, in his defense, he again had no time to throw the ball.

If the Ravens can fix the O line like they did the secondary I will be very optimistic about the Ravens season, and I would not have said that a few months ago. I still think we are one year away from a super bowl run though. I think the wild card is a possibility for the Ravens, I don't see them winning the division if Pittsburgh stays healthy though.

  12 minutes ago, Drinkmore Beer said:

Using a #1 on an OT would be nuts. No player available is worth it. Find one in later rounds (like we did with Wagner). What we need are playmakers -- dynamic receiver, edge rusher, CB. I'd also be very happy with Reuben Foster as #1. Huge step up from KC. Imagine pairing him with Mosley.

I agree with this post

Did you guys see the Ravens run game and passing game last year? It wasn't do to not having receivers or running backs, but more so the fact that Joe Flacco, had zero time to throw the ball, and the backs were getting hit in the back field. The O line needs to be fixed, regardless of which round it is in

  13 hours ago, ByTheBay said:

Good news is they still have time to develop. Didn't Max put up the best numbers for a rookie TE in franchise history? I know it wasn't anything to write home about but the potential is there. He has to work hard and rise to the top. It's still possible. Hopefully Correa takes the next step this year and locks down the spot next to Mosley for many years to come. It's a lot of pressure but he will have the opportunity to succeed. Also excited to see what Bronson will bring to the table this year. Could be another surprise player. Last years draft class has the potential to be historical. 

Absolutely, Maax showed a lot of promise but injuries have hindered his development. I also loved seeing Gilmore in action and hope beyond hope that those two can stay healthy as take that next step. 

Im also extreemly excited to see what  Kafusi has to offer but I don't want to get too hyped then get my heart broken.

All three of those guys listed are not the FO fault but just bad luck. 

Correa on the other hand scares the heck out of me. I think he can be a top pass rusher in this league but don't get why we are trying to convert him to ILB.

out of those 4. I just want 2 to pan out and I'm good lol 

Correa has the size, and if he can run with te's and add some speed in the middle that would be great. They really do need to find what position he is best suited for and stick with it rather than try him at various positions. Hopefully he comes into his own this year. I'll try to stay optimistic. He has the big tackles in front to let him roam free, and we really locked up the secondary, I am actually really impressed. One of the biggest weaknesses and now one of the biggest strengths. Still worried about the O line. Really like to see them get a tackle in the first and possibly the best center in the second. If they can build a dominate offensive line, the Ravens should be pretty good team next year.

Webb was part of the secondary that routinely surrenders 4th quarter leads. I don't get how adding him makes the Ravens better or add quality depth. What happened to getting younger and faster?

He is a great tackler and belongs more at nickel, since a lot of teams are using 4 receivers, I think he will get used more efficiently and really adds depth to the secondary, something the Ravens have not had in a long time. Good move

OZ said himself that recent drafts have not met expectations so there no need for fans or media trying to defend the obvious bust in recent drafts. The pitchforks are out per Steve B. So no need to defend anything when your boss put it out there you are on notice.

A GM is successful if he can not only draft but also retain top talent. This article points out Eric and OZ failure to do both in recent years.

For example, Webb accounting for 8.5 million against the cap was a joke. If you make those types of decisions then of course you can't pay KO. So they can try to justify letting good players go because they are 'too expensive', but then paying guys like Webb who are average at best.

We haven't drafted the best since the Super Bowl, but in the Ravens defense, they got stuck with some really bad contracts, which included paying suggs, webb, pitta, a lot of money to sit on the bench with injuries, plus ray rice, and eugene monroe killed us, plus not having Matt Elam come through was a big disappointment. Good news, is that next year all these bad contracts will be off the books and the Ravens should be in much better cap shape at least.

  2 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Pick 16 + Pick 74 = Pick 8

I like your thinking. The only question is will the Panthers take it? They two are rumored to want to move up.

Ravens have way too many holes to give up picks, stay at 16 or trade back.

  1 hour ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Hows this trade back look-
1- OT 24ish take Cam Robinson/ Ramczyk pick up a *2nd ,3rd or plus
2- Edge 47 Carl Lawson second round
3- Center- 74 ( Elflein or Pocic )
3- WR - 78 ( juju smith or Samuel)
3- *CB - ? trade up ( Tankersley, Teez Tabor -extra 3rd round pick )
4- CB - (Sidney Jones)
5- LB- 5th round
5- * extra 5th round ( trade)
6- deep pick LB/DL
7- deep pick S/CB/KR

yeap thats right get the best players available at the right positions at the lowest possible picks. Tackle- Edge /Rush -CB - Center- WR and CB

There should be a great offensive tackle at 16. I hope they don't trade back, I don't care who we have at receiver or running back. If they can't protect flacco or push the other teams line, the offense will suck big time. Two tackles in back to back years........Go Ravens

I like that mock draft..........O line please. Moving up 25 spots is a lot. Good move in my opinion. I would take a corner in the second though and center in third. Smith, Correa, and Judon, have to come through.

Hows this trade back look-
1- OT 24ish take Cam Robinson/ Ramczyk pick up a *2nd ,3rd or plus
2- Edge 47 Carl Lawson second round
3- Center- 74 ( Elflein or Pocic )
3- WR - 78 ( juju smith or Samuel)
3- *CB - ? trade up ( Tankersley, Teez Tabor -extra 3rd round pick )
4- CB - (Sidney Jones)
5- LB- 5th round
5- * extra 5th round ( trade)
6- deep pick LB/DL
7- deep pick S/CB/KR

yeap thats right get the best players available at the right positions at the lowest possible picks. Tackle- Edge /Rush -CB - Center- WR and CB

There should be a great offensive tackle at 16. I hope they don't trade back, I don't care who we have at receiver or running back. If they can't protect flacco or push the other teams line, the offense will suck big time. Two tackles in back to back years........Go Ravens

  3 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  5 hours ago, Tdot.to.Bmore said:

Even though its not the sexiest pick i wouldn't mind picking up a OT in the first. Secure the line for Joe so he can do his thing. Get back to the ground and pound attack with the play action.

I agree. Trade back 7-8 spots, pick up a 3rd or 4th Rounder and draft OT Cam Robinson. He's KO 2.0! Will still have stud CBs available with the 2nd Round pick. You can also package two of those 3rd Rounders to move back up into the 2nd for a pass rusher like Tim Williams or Carl Lawson.

That could work IMHO

We need an O line man

I like this trade. I think moving 25 spots is a lot, especially considering it is in the 3rd round. We are stacked at D line any way (aside from pass rushers). I wouldn't mind the Ravens getting another tackle in the first, corner in the second, and a pass rusher and center in the 3rd. The Ravens really need to sure up the O Line and while another tackle in back to back years isn't glamorous, it would surely fill a need and hopefully sure up the line for at least 3-4 more years.

Well to be honest, as good as Brandon Williams is, he is far from replaceable, and while having the best run defense is great, most teams end up thrown the ball anyway. Wagner is another one, who while is very good, you could not say he is elite. Alot of these burdened contracts that have been haunting us for years should finally come off the books this year. Such as Webb, Pitta, Watson, Lewis, just to name a few

Realistically, there are only a handful of absolutely can't miss prospects at 16. excluding unrealistic options, For me, they are: 

Malik Hooker, Jamal Adams, Reuben Foster, Mike Williams, Fournette, Derek Barnett, Sidney Jones and Marshon Lattimore. 

Cook and Davis are borderline can't miss. But it depends on the offers made to trade back. 

Its in our best interest to land plug and play stud starters and to acquire as many picks inside the first four rounds. Any of he above players I would trade up 3-4 spots at the cost of a third rounder to get because I think each one is a likely pro bowl/ All-pro waiting to happen.

But if that list is cleared. Let's trade back and I wouldn't even be mad if we did it twice inside the first two rounds to acquire an additional second or a couple of extra third rounders. If we have 4-6 picks in the top 100 picks in this class, we are likely coming into September ready to make some noise. 

At the end of the first there will be a lot of likely talent still sitting there like Gareon Conley, Cam Robinson, Dan Feeney, Budda Baker, Haason Reddick, Tim Williams, Sean McCaffrey, etc. 

we then would have the chance to combine a lot of talent in the second through the third with the trade back. Having the chance to nab talents like Jourdan Lewis, Carl Lawson, Desmond King, Kevin King, Pat Eiflein, Tyler Orlosky, Rasul Douglas, D'onta Foreman, Jabrill Peppers, etc.

 

I agree, if those top 8 are available I think the Ravens have to pull the trigger, hopefully they fall, which could happen. If not, the Ravens should be able to get a very quality starter in the first. According to the mock drafts, which don't mean much. I think we could come away with one of the best o line man in the draft, and a very quality corner in the second, assuming that the draft is very deep at that position. The Ravens have many holes which need to be filled, but given their draft history, I think corner and O line needs to be sured up. We do well with with D linemen and line backers. Lets not even talk about about wide receiver. I really advocated for corner back last year in wanting to draft Hargreaves, but I can't be mad at Stanely, who should hopefully man the blind side for 4 more years. Conclusion, I hope they resign Wagner. Brandon Williams is not better than Snacks, nor should he paid as much. It's a pass happy league anyway, so I feel more value should go to Wagner. We have guys to rotate in if Williams leaves, the same can't be said about our tackle position.

Big Cats Big Board-
Round 1- top 3 at 16 Sidney Jones CB, Taco Charlton DT, Dalvin Cook RB
Round 2- top 3 at 48 Pat Elflein C, Ryan Ramczyk T, M. Humphrey CB, Teez Tabor CB,
Round 3 2-picks- Dan Feeney OG, Desmond King S, C. Tankersley CB-
Ravens will get 2 of the last 6 shown if left on the board.
Round 4- Isiah Ford WR, Chad Hansen WR, Demarcus Walker DE, Chris Wormley DE

So my picks for the first 5
#1 Round 1- Sidney Jones CB or Taco Charlton DT
#2 Round 2- Pat Elflein Center,
#3 Round 3- Desmond King S,
#4 Round 3- anyone 2,3 or 4 left on board above(favoring CB if no Jones or CB)
#5 Round 4- Demarcus Walker DE or top 3-4 left on the board above

O line group is extremely thin this year. I don't know why you think Feeny would be there in the third round. I would not mind taking him at 16, or even trading down to get one of the three best oline man in the draft. That is if they are not all gone by 16. Feeny or Ramcyck or Cam would be a great pick up. As much as our secondary sucks, the overall rankings were not the worst. In contrast, 28th in rushing ( what i think I remember, didn't look up the stats) is horrendous and needs to be fixed

If they pass on drafting a CB this high, and draft their 12th interior D lineman or a backup 4th WR, I will not be surprised. The entire front office lacks and insight or self evaluation skills, clearly proven now with 8 or 9 years since drafting an all pro talent at any round. They have proven to be able to find solid interior line guys almost anywhere, (Pierce, Williams, Jernigan) but they cannot sniff a good DB if they smack them in the face. Finding a reason you would not want to take 1 of the top 3 guys this year would be beyond inept. The best player available philosophy is clearly backfiring. The fact that a running back is even being considered is clear evidence these doofuses are beer goggled for some magic fairy dust that is going to fix their pathetic lack of on field coaching. Gayle Sayers could not run behind this O line. They run the ball about 8 times a game. Unless you shore up the line, that would be absolutely useless.

I agree we need O line help, as I said previously. However, I would not be mad if they drafted an O line man with their 16th overall pick. I have to disagree with you when it comes to the Ravens drafting corners though. For one, the Ravens have not drafted a corner in the first round since Jimmy Smith, I don't think we have even drafted one in the first three rounds since Jimmy Smith. While Smith may not be a Revis, the Ravens surely miss him when he is out. I of course think we need secondary help, but the Ravens need a lot of help, and drafting an Oline men wouldn't be the worst idea. We should also not think about winning now, as I see it, the ravens are at least two years away from making a run. Lets sure up the trenches this year and hopefully secondary, than try and make a run 2018. We should also be in good cap space in 2018 and no major players will become UFA's.

As much as the Ravens need secondary help, I of course could not get mad at them signing a corner or safety. However, I would not be mad if they drafted another offensive tackle, that could maybe solidify our offensive line for years to come. Not a glamorous pick by any means, but we cannot have our 120 million dollar quarterback running for his life anymore, and regardless of our receivers or running backs, there will not be much production in either passing or running game if we are not dominant up front. Plus corners should be plenty, where as O line help is very limited. Lets take what is most scarce.

The Ravens could fill a variety of needs, but I do think corner should be a priority. My reasoning is that for one, the ravens secondary has not been good in years and having another good corner opposite to Smith would be something much in need. Also, the Ravens are never in great cap space, so signing a great corner in free agency just isn't going to happen due to how highly the corner position is valued. In addition, even though the draft is deep with corners, I do expect a sharp drop off in talent by the time the second round roles around. So again, it may prove prudent to draft a round 1 corner, even though it may not be the best player available.

  1 hour ago, berad said:

  1 hour ago, whobilly said:

So what were are other options at QB when the confetti was dropping down on the field in New Orleans?

Trade up in the 1st round of the 2013 NFL draft for... EJ Manuel

Or sit at 32 and pick... Geno Smith

Legends like Tim Tebow, Matt Casell, Kevin Kolb, Matt Moore, and Ryan Fitzpatrick were veteran free agents at that time

Or trade a whole bunch of capital for a QB that a team was willing to part with and let Flacco walk for a 3rd-round compensatory pick.

Or, sign Flacco to a long-term deal he earned.

Thank you.

Flacco will be on the team for another two years, so you guys really need to get over it. He is not going to be traded or cut until at least 2019. Looking at his contract details, you should be able to clearly see why..........you guys are really beating this into the ground, get over it, he's here till 2019.

With regards to Flacco and the cap money, that's why re-signing our O-linemen, namely Wagner should come first. I'd prefer to keep him and Brandon Williams but if not then we've got at least 3 other guys who can fill in for B-Will if he gets traded. Finding the right tackle or guard is a lot more challenging.

Brandon Williams can't be traded because he no longer has a contract with the Ravens. I agree that Wagner is much more of a priority than Williams. We really have to give Flacco some protection/security, along with improving the run game. Brandon Williams is a run stuffier who does not get to the quarterback, which to me is another example of an average player. Kinda like Pitta who led the league in catches, but can not block. Brandon Williams is not a play maker nor should the Ravens pay him like he's one.

I really hope we don't cut Zuttah. There are no linemen currently on the roster who would be an upgrade, and there are no improvements available via free agency. I don't know of any legit, starting-calibre centers available via the draft either. Also- Zuttah was the only guy on the line who started all 16 games last year. Considering Baltimore's terrible luck keepinig guys healthy, we need all the reliable guys we can get.

It's not a huge cap savings and he should only be cut if the ravens can find a better replacement. I think cutting the six veterans above would be wise along with Pitta and Watson. Yea I know Pitta was the best pass catching tight end (helps when the quarterback has no one else to throw to too), but I feel everyone above is just average at this point in their careers and the Ravens need to get out of these big contracts on players that aren't producing at a high level. I also think Brandon Williams is replaceable and that Wagner should be more of a priority than Williams, given the Ravens O Line woes throughout the past few years. I am also not completely sold on Wallace, who relies solely on speed to get open. Also, the Ravens receivers are just not good, so it is hard to compare him to other receivers on the team. Moreover, Wallace may indeed just be better than the Ravens current receivers, which sadly isn't saying much.

Since good free agent corner backs command huge salaries, which puts Baltimore out of contention, I would say you have to draft corner back. Hopefully the Ravens have a good/big center or tackle sitting there at 48 for the their second pick. If we could sure up our secondary and O line up this year, that would pay dividends for the future and hopefully the Ravens will ready for a run in 2018......... Hopefully

I'd like to see them take the money that we'll spend on Brandon Williams and use that money on a good wide receiver. The Ravens are bosses at signing D Linemen where as wide receivers they lose ever time..........at least through the draft that is.

we should not keep Williams unless we get a few people to take pay cuts to make it easier to still add people. I don't really count cuts as being part of it because then we still need to replace those people. I would love Williams back and we could take a big hit on our run d if he leaves but too many holes on other parts of the team.

I think that Wagner may be more likely to sign than Williams. Although who knows. Snacks Harrison who is a better lineman than Williams, signed for 46 mil with 24 guarantee with a 9 mill APY. If Williams makes less than that, which he should since he is not on the same level as Snacks, I would say Williams should be very much in Baltimores price range. Although, you still have teams like the Oakland Raiders, who will spend 50 mil for a guard. Little steep. I think at this Juncture the Ravens can afford to lose Williams, because the Ravens have always been good at drafting D Lineman and Williams does not get many sacks. If we lose Wagner, that leaves two holes on the O Line ( assuming Zutta may be out the door, only if we can find a replacement ) Where as with Williams position, the Ravens have good depth.

I don't know why but our drafting has on the decline overall since Harbs became HC. The problem I have is the only variable in the entire process of front office, scouts and coaches has beenJohn Harbaugh. Stay out of the draft process John. Let Ozzie, Eric and Hortiz give you and the coaches the players. You stick to coaching and we'll all be good.

I agree, it should be ran like the Federal Reserve and the US Govt..........My best analogy.