YorkCountyRaven

Man... TJ's story really hit me, you can just look at him and see how tough of a kid he is. Takes it right on the chin and keeps his head up. God bless him.

I called this pick, Humphrey is a great pick who plays like a Raven. Athletic, relentless, and covers well. Welcome to Baltimore. Have fun covering AB, AJ Green, and possibly Gordon.

Well, being that I have also torn my acl, mcl, strained pcl and torn meniscus... I do know that after an acl reconstruction surgery it takes the graft 2 years to fully heal... So what Joe is doing is being preventative and he probably feels 100% but knows the graft is still vulnerable. A lot of people tend to forget ACL surgery is a reconstruction which means they take a graft from somewhere else (hamstring tendon or patella tendon) and make it a new ACL. That graft takes up to 2 years to fully become a ligament.

  On 3/16/2017 at 0:33 AM, YorkCountyRaven said:

  On 3/15/2017 at 8:06 PM, riseNConquer81 said:

  On 3/15/2017 at 8:02 PM, thesteve53006 said:

For those saying "Its only a 6th round pick" Adalius Thomas #186, Tyrod Taylor #180, these are Ravens picks.  Other players include Colston, Garcon, Antonio Brown, Tom Brady, Greg Hardy. There is value in the 6th, i would rather have an earlier pick in the 6th than a later, plus this way it cleared up more cap than making him a cap casualty.

Tyrod Taylor is a middling starter. 
Tom Brady is overrated. 
Greg Hardy isnt in the league anymore because he has trouble keeping his hands to himself. 
Pierre Garcon is a career sidekick receiver. 

There's not that much value in the 6th. thats why its the 6th. 

Negative Nancy alert.... Saying Tom Brady is overrated is like credibility suicide within football talk. The fact of the matter is Zuttah wasn't what we wanted at center and we got what we could for him in order to free up cap space. We received way too much pressure up the middle of the offensive line, and obviously Ozzie has plans in the future. You can get great unexpected value in the 6th round, we play against a man named Antonio Brown 2 times a year incase you didn't realize..... AKA the highest paid WR in football.

No it's not.
Saying Tom Brady is overrated shows i actually pay attention to and understand football, as opposed to casually following the crowd.
Tom Brady's a game manager that relies on playmaking after the catch to produce. always has been, always will be.

and since youre the 23874932743902743209742094th person to bring up [insert favorite rare high level player from the 6th roudn here], I'll go ahead and point out that Antonio Brown was pick number 195. Everybody's other favorite example, Brady, was #199. That actually only further proves my point that moving up 12 spots in the 6th round doesnt really mean or do much. If anything, you're better off keeping 198, according to the trend.

Regardless of where it is, a 6th round pick is a crap shoot. its hard to argue that moving up or back in the 6th round dramatically increases or decreases the value of the pick.
so like i said before, the net effect of this trade is essentially the same as if we cut him.

OK but YOU are still missing the point. Zuttah was not what our team wanted at the center position, we received wayyyyy too much pressure up the middle of the oline in passing situations Zuttah can not handle big, physical nose tackles.... Joe was extremely hesitant on any pressure coming up the middle. So... with that being said. What is your problem with getting something from a player we were going to cut?!? Also, Tom Brady who holds records for QB's in most categories is a game manager? Like I said, credibility suicide. Tom Brady literally turns average talent into top tier talent. He makes everyone around him play better... that is much more than a Game manager. You are just extremely opinionated and biased towards things that cloud your judgement.

  4 hours ago, thesteve53006 said:

For those saying "Its only a 6th round pick" Adalius Thomas #186, Tyrod Taylor #180, these are Ravens picks.  Other players include Colston, Garcon, Antonio Brown, Tom Brady, Greg Hardy. There is value in the 6th, i would rather have an earlier pick in the 6th than a later, plus this way it cleared up more cap than making him a cap casualty.

Tyrod Taylor is a middling starter. 
Tom Brady is overrated. 
Greg Hardy isnt in the league anymore because he has trouble keeping his hands to himself. 
Pierre Garcon is a career sidekick receiver. 

There's not that much value in the 6th. thats why its the 6th. 

Negative Nancy alert.... Saying Tom Brady is overrated is like credibility suicide within football talk. The fact of the matter is Zuttah wasn't what we wanted at center and we got what we could for him in order to free up cap space. We received way too much pressure up the middle of the offensive line, and obviously Ozzie has plans in the future. You can get great unexpected value in the 6th round, we play against a man named Antonio Brown 2 times a year incase you didn't realize..... AKA the highest paid WR in football.

7 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You're still missing the point entirely.

1. Nobody is saying that signing a FA corner takes away from drafting 1 or 5 of them. Still have no idea why you keep coming back to this.

2. You shouldn't be looking at what Wright got last year, because that's when he was coming off a good season. He was actually pretty good, or at least, above average, in 2015. That's why we paid him like that last season. He was signed for peanuts during the 2015 season after he was cut by the 49ers. That's what the market is for average corners. Its not nearly as robust as you think it is.

3. Sure, Webb, Jimmy and Young are good picks. That's 3 respectable corners in, what, 8 years? There's also Chykie Brown, Asa Jackson, Marc Anthony, and Tray Walker (unlucky on this one). So for every 1 corner we drafted that panned out, another one didn't.

You could argue that's due to where they were drafted, but no team can commit a day 1 or 2 pick on a corner every year and be successful. Heck, the guy you are arguing against us signing was a very high draft pick who was viewed as a "can't miss" prospect by many. There's busts just littered among day 1 picks in recent years at the corner position.

Again, goes back to my point... tons of risk.

If you think drafting corners is the way to go, I agree, and signing one won't change that. It MAY mean that you draft somebody else instead of a 6th round corner who's extremely unlikely to pan out, because lets face, we aren't using two top 3 round picks on a corner. Maybe one of those goes to a corner, but we aren't going to pull a Steelers and draft like 4 corners in the first 3 rounds like they've done recently. That hasn't panned out well for them thus far either.

4. Nobody is even remotely suggesting that we aren't trying to build through the draft. What you're neglecting is that our drafts haven't been very good lately (main reason why we are in this mess) and that a team that has like 10 positions they want to upgrade can't possibly do it in a draft, or two drafts, or maybe even three drafts. Half of your draft class is going to be irrelevant when its all said and done... that's just how the NFL works.

A lot of what people are missing is if we do go ahead and pursue Claiborne that allows us to use our 1st round pick on a pass rusher or even inside linebacker. Reuben Foster will be sitting there to take over Orr or a pass rusher that could take over Doom. If we don't pursue Claiborne the obvious first round pick should be corner, as you stated tavon is impressive but is better suited for the nickel and Jimmy is a great number 1 but he always gets hurt. In my opinion this would be a good signing.

Torrey to the Eagles

d'qwell would be a solid addition imo if the price works and mr. injury prone crockett should worry about making the team.

I think he has done more than enough to solidify his spot on the team.... Watson, boyle, waller, and max need to worry about that

Team Player
Cleveland Browns Myles Garrett
San Francisco 49ers Zach Cunningham
Chicago Bears Marshon Lattimore
Jacksonville Jaguars Solomon Thomas
Tennessee Titans Teez Tabor
New York Jets Jabrill Peppers
Los Angeles Chargers Mike Williams
Carolina Panthers Dalvin Cook
Cincinnati Bengals Reuben Foster
Buffalo Bills Marlon Humphrey
New Orleans Saints Jamal Adams
Cleveland Browns Mitch Trubisky
Arizona Cardinals Malik Hooker
Indianapolis Colts Dan Freeney
Philadelphia Eagles Corey Davis
Baltimore Ravens ?

I don't agree with Tabor being the first CB and Peppers being the first safety. Also, Humphrey was a reach as of now.. But you never know. In this situation I would assume Quincy Wilson, Barnett, or Tim Williams...

On ‎1‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 2:09 AM, TheConquerorWorm said:

"The Ravens’ Terrance West and Kenneth Dixon combined for only six plays of 20 or more yards"

Stats don't lie.

Terrance West - 67 Rushes for 1 yard or less
Terrance West - 26 Rushes for 2 yards

That's 93 of his 193 rushes that went for 2 yards or less.....

And only had 19 rushes that gained 10+ yards. Isaiah Crowell, playing behind one of the worst O-lines AND whose offense ran the ball less than the Ravens, had 26 rushes of 10+ yards.
 

I'm not saying west is our answer at running back but you stated that if you lined up all the rbs in the league West AND Dixon would be picked last... that's false. So you're saying you would rather have Jonathan Stewart, Lamar Miller, Frank Gore.... Rashad Jennings?!?!?! They're not even on a Thomas Rawls level? The same Rawls who averaged 3.2 yards a carry and 3 TD's... You're right stats don't lie.

The only positive I see for the patriots winning is the possibility of Tom Brady retiring afterwards... If he loses I feel as though that would just give him extra motivation.

Tired of seeing "West for No gain" or "West for 1 yard". He's a plodding smash against the wall RB. Dixon has some wiggle and some toughness - hoping he takes over the lead back. But the bottom line is none of these guys are on the level of a Zeke or Bell - they're not even on a Thomas Rawls, Spencer Ware level. Let's face it, if you lined up all the RBs in the NFL and picked them, these guys would be at the bottom. Just look at the play-off teams - they are not there because of their secondary or defense, it's because of Ben/Bell/Brown; Ryan/Julio/Freeman; Brady/Edelman/Blount; Rodgers/Montgomery/Jordy.

Completely false

Watching this AFC Championship game, it is clear that if the Ravens want to compete with Steelers and Patriots, they must improve the secondary.

Also, since Orr is out, they need to keep B. Williams. He makes the LBs better. And IMO is the clear cut best player at his position for the Ravens defense. Cut Dummervil, Webb, Wright and restructure whoever to make it work.

Agree 100%

54 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I would love that draft.

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Matt LaPan on fansided or NFLspinsmock had us taking Jamal Adams in the first and Charles Harris in the second. That would be an amazing draft

Lol, I would love that draft as well too. Although it's highly unlikely 

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I think its quite opposite. Humphrey just plays very big and physical at 6-1 195 which is a prototypical size for the position while Tabor measures at 6-0 201, tabor looks more boxy in the torso and he doesnt have the long arms that Humphrey does. Now like you said we need to see true measurables from the combine. Humphrey exceeds Tabor in character too

I was speaking about Wilson being on the heavy side not Humphrey........ I like Humphrey, he's a very Athletic DB and has good ball skills.

4 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

I considering moving him up to #1, I feel like he's a safer all around coverage guy whereas I feel like Wilson may get burned alot, just watched one of his videos and I remember when the WR went deep he was pretty much open every time, if the QB had a bigger arm then he would have hit him for a big gain. I still like Wilson under 20 yards, probaby moreso than Jones at this point, but Jones pretty much stays on his man no matter what. I'm still not 100% on the Wilson bandwagon, but I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt based on what others are saying.

This is the best statement on this thread. Wilson has good ball skills and is an aggressive corner. But, the problem is lining him up 1 on 1 and him getting beat which as a ravens fan I don't like. Especially with talents like AJ Green, Antonio Brown, Sammie Coates...

8 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

On paper Wilson looks better at 6-1 215. And I'm not so sure we will he's known to have character issues and may not take coaching well. I'd prefer marlon humphrey even if alabama corners typically bust

Eh.. he's a bit on the heavy side for a true corner. He gets beat on 1 on 1 occasions periodically, If the QB's in college were all NFL material his tape would be different. He is aggressive and has good ball skills but I just think tabor is a better true corner. Just my opinion.

43 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't think teams are looking at Humphrey and tabor as can't miss guys in the teens. Tabor is all name hype and a penalty magnet at the next level and Humphrey has struggled against good competition. Humphreys name has been sliding in mock drafts recently as well.

Eh, I partially agree with Humphrey. The thing is especially with corners, a bad game may slide them but a good combine will skyrocket them (Which I expect him to have a great combine). Humphrey has been impressive throughout his career at Alabama. Jimmy smith, Humphrey, and Tavon Young would be a very athletic group of corners.

27 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I wouldn't say Tabor at all. I like Wilson a lot more than tabor

I think they are both good corners and I think they will both go in the first round... The thing is tabor has more hype and on paper the measurables as of now appear to be better. We will have to wait until the combine... If Tabor hasn't been picked by the time we are on the clock don't be surprised if we select him.

11 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Obviously outside of the unrealistic scenarios such as Garrett and Allen. Which players do we no doubt pull the trigger on at 16? 

I would say the only no doubt triggers are...Hooker, Tabor, Barnett, and Adams

Obvious throw ins... Tim Williams, Dalvin Cook, Humphrey, and Jones

Some sleepers would honestly be Peppers and Cam Robinson... I know we want a DB or edge rush for the 1st pick but Cam Robinson would be an instant upgrade for our O-line. With Wagner and Ducasse pending FA. Peppers I have a feeling is going to be a flat out playmaker on the backend of any defense. He can also be thrown down in the box which is vital in the AFC north.

We lose one guy, get another to do the same thing? Can he really do it? He will ONLY need a O line and at least two good RB. We don't have either.
Good Luck

lol... man these comments are getting ridiculous

Welp, guess that means more of the same. Trash draft picks (bust, and loading up on positions were already deep at just to stick with the "best player available strategy"), one trick ponys at WR (Deep ball or bust), and injury prone starters at every position. I see why people bangwagon so much, being a fan of a losing team sucks, But aw well go ravens blah blah

I believe in this team and organization. Sorry if you all don't. I love my ravens and the fans... But after this past season reading some of the comments and hearing how angry and unfaithful the fans can be? I'm not sure how good our fan base is. Win OR Lose. I'm a ravens fan.

On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 2:33 PM, gtalk12 said:

A good CB or a good DE/OLB fixes the same issue. One gives the D-line more time to work and the other gives the QB less time to throw. I wouldn't mind either as long as it's the best player available. Hey if its a S then grab him even if we don't need him.

I Know, but the difference is at Corner we have Jimmy who is top 10 CB in the league but very injury prone. And our number 2 Is actually built perfectly to be a number 3. Shareece gets picked on too much. Powers should be our dime. Which means we NEED stability at the #2 corner or we are going to continue this revolving door of defensive backs.

Pass rush is an issue, without a doubt. BUT we have a very strong front 7. Our issue is age. There is still hope with Judon, Kaufusi is coming back and hopefully Correa realizes he is in the NFL next year.

Idk just my opinion but Corner is absolutely necessary in the first round. As the drop off from our 1st pick to 2nd pick with Corners will be pivotal. There's going to be decent pass rushers throughout this draft.

3 minutes ago, Boddiebroadus said:

We get to draft all of bamas defense including underclassman but we can't retain anyone on our d. Would u do it? Maybe keep 4 starters

No, the browns would score 30+ against Bama.

We NEED to draft a CB. I know pass rush is a problem and Cook is tempting but we have Dixon who I have faith is our future. And please give Matt Judon time. If Kaufusi can come back and not have a injury hangover he can also add as well. We know Suggs and Doom will prob get the start. But we really have a question mark at #2 CB we don't have a legitimate #2. Tavon's a great nickel. The Steelers and Pats have like 9million threats catching the ball someone needs to cover them.

I see Takk McKinley like everywhere for us which I wouldn't hate but... PLEASE OZZIE TAKE JONES or JACKSON or KING hell take tredavious white for all I care... I hope Lattimore declares for the draft so he will be on the board as well. Tim Williams in the 2nd.

I also saw an article saying Malik Hooker. Who is an amazing player but not sure how he would help.

If we did go offense please go Corey Davis or something like that. I honestly don't think we have a true #1 receiver.