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22 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Happened in October of 2015

Okay, that sort of rings a bell now. Substance abuse, right? I thought he meant something happened more recently. 

31 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

1. Yeah, Waller is a hybrid kinda player, like Funchess.. so it's hard to link him as a TE when he's likely getting most of the reps in the slot. And as you also say, it doesn't really matter into the equation.
2. do you think he's going to be in the final 53? I'm not sure he can fully heal as the season begins and we've seen many times some of our players ending up in the IR without a serious reason.. we could, perhaps, speculate about him not being ready and the team camuflages this with a "hamstring" (or whatever) kind of excuse just in order to keep him around but without having him counting against the '53'.
3. I also didn't know a brick bout Elam but I swear I read it before.. I'm looking for it in my google history and editing the comment.
4. of course just speculation.. it's way too early to predict eventual cuts. We cut Jacoby Jones for a mere 700k when he was our #3 WR and starting KR.. now we are 7-8M under the cap with Williams, Wagner and Tucker to extend.. I wouldn't be surprised if we cut Forsett.
5. I wouldn't know how to use him, seriously. You keep a #7 WR to play only short routes when another gets hurt? He can't be any better than a Givens or Campanaro.. also, he can't play ST but still take the spot of someone who can; we would have to change the gunner and likely see Waller go if let in the PS. I think he has a bigger market value than Raynolds.

Edit: http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/BAL
that's where I saw Elam being suspended
article was updated on " 05/17/2016 8:44PM ET "

1. It has already been said that Waller has bulked to play the TE position, but if anything he will be kept mainly for ST this season. 

2. For Pitta, I don't think they waste time trying to put him on the PUP list.

3. If Elam was suspended we would have heard it from the team by now, so I doubt that's true.

4. One reason I think Forsett still makes the team is because without him we don't have a true veteran presence at the RB position. You would be left with a second year RB, rookie, and a RB believed to be immature in West. 

5. Reynolds is actually working at being a returner. So if he picks it up fast enough that could be his way onto the roster. I don't even think he would make it to the PS, he would be picked up before that.

16 minutes ago, xxhighriser said:

I keep Maxx at all costs and let Boyle and Waller continue to develop this year while Watson and Pitta get the load.  If the market is out there for Crockett this is the time to get value for him. 

Why is Crockett the guy you would get rid of? 

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Zuttah could stay and Wesley stays on the PS. Idk.... just my first guess for now. If Urschel out plays him I could see him gone bc he would free up ~$3-4m in cap space that could be used to extend B Williams... 

I understand what you're saying. You could easily come up with a scenario where it's either him or Monroe that gets cut to save money to extend Williams. 

15 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Here's my go at it. Granted theres always some shock we never see coming, and some person we all think that's safe who gets cut:

QB - Flacco, Mallett (2)

RB - Forsett, Buck, Dixon, Juice (4)

TE - Watson, Gillmore, Maxx, Pitta (4)

WR - SS, Aiken, Perriman, Wallace, Camp, Moore (6)

OL - Monroe, Stanley, Urschel, Yanda, Wagner, Jensen, Lewis, Wesley (8)

 

NT - Williams, Davis (2)

DT - Jernigan, Henry (2)

DE - Urban, Guy, Kaufusi (3)

OLB - Suggs, Doom, Smith, Correa, Judon/Ochi (5)

MLB - Mosley, Orr, McClellan (3)

CB - Jimmy, Wright, Young, Powers, Arrington, Davis (6)

S - Weddle, Webb, Lewis, Brooks, Onwuasor* (5)

 

SP - Tucker, Koch, Cox (3)

 

*Hybrid safety, MLB

 

Couple of these guys will definitely get the IR designation which will make it easier. My bubble players are: Butler (wr), Richardson (rb), Reynolds (wr), Elam (ss), Ochi (olb).

Last guys in were: Pitta (te), Juice (fb), Wesley (ot), 

 

I have a feeling about Onwuasor. Guy generates turnovers and has the size/athleticism to be that safety/lb hybrid we want. Really like him though its a long shot -- but hes my UDFA pick to make the team. Ochi is a close 2nd there... i something happens to Judon, Z Smith or Correa i think hes a shoe in.

I agree with you about Onwuasor, he could definitely be that hybrid player for us. So you have us cutting ties with Zuttah? 

4 hours ago, ant2ney said:

No tape, but some background on him....

 

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/7/23/4550860/patrick-onwuasor-arrest-felonies-arizona

 

Kicked out of Arizona due to drug and weapons charges. 

 

Surpised we went near him given our recent stance on off the field issues

Yeah I've seen this already. From what I've seen he has completely turned things around. In an interview it talks about the first time he met with the coach at Portland State. The coach says the first thing Patrick said to him wasn't anything football related, but about how he knows that he put himself in a bad situation and how he let his family down. 

28 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Was it from baltimorebeatdown? I saw that as well and was disturbed at just how uninformed these people are. 

 

We need less news outlets catering to the ignorant and more news outlets INFORMING the less knowledgeable fans. You think uninformed fans want to hear we spent another 2nd on an edge setter? Why they would even lie that blatantly is beyond me...

Yeah that's who it was, but I still think it will be Smith taking over for Upshaw and Correa will back up Suggs 

27 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Anyone has some tape of Onuwasor? All I could find was some highlights, but he got me interested, he fits what we need. 

No, that's all I've been able to find. I also want to see more of what he can do.

43 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Could be an interesting guy to keep an eye on. I do believe the characteristics of the 2nd ILB is changing in todays football into more of a coverage guy and sometimes blitzer instead of 2 run oriented guys.

I agree, it would just be a plus for the second ILB to be good at stepping up to make tackles. 

On 5/7/2016 at 5:32 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't see that skill set from correa. If he were to be a 34OLB I think he is the future heir to suggs. he has held down that spot and been held in such high regards for so long because he isn't just an edge rusher, he's not the best edge setter but he plays the run very well and is extremely instinctive on quick zone drops, I see Correa very much in the same light, I think if we stick with the 34 then the plan is to replace suggs with correa after some coaching and bulking up

I just read an article yesterday and that person seems to think that Correa will be used to take over the spot Upshaw left open.

3 hours ago, Suggsrules said:

 Here is my re-attempt at a 53 #2.

QB: Flacco, Mallet

RB/FB: Forsett, Dixon, Allen, Juice  (T-rich) (somehow I have a feeling he makes it be it through another player's injury or a trade)

WR: Smith Sr., Permian, Wallace, Aiken, Moore, Reynolds  (Camp do not see him making team now with reynolds getting navy clearance.) 

TE: Watson, Williams, Gillmore, Pitta

OL: Stanley, Wagner, Yanda, Jensen,Urschel, Zuttah, Lewis, Monroe (no point letting Monroe go we have plenty of cap room unless someone trades for him and one of our seemingly strong OL Undrafted signee's step up and force a move)

 

DL: Williams, Jernigan, Davis, Kaufusi, Guy, Henry 

OLB: Suggs, Dumervil, Correa, Smith, Judon, Ochi

ILB: Mosely, Orr, Mclellan, Brown

CB: Smith, Wright, Young, Davis, Powers (i knew there would be a fa pick up)

S: Weddle, Webb, Levine, Brooks, Elam

ST: Tucker, Koch, Cox

So I take it the order that you have the players in is your starters and back ups... if so what makes you put Maxx over Gilmore?

11 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Mosley is such a dominant run stopper that I don't even want a 2nd  ilb, I really want a sslb hybrid. I think it would be the ideal situation to get a big guy who can hold down the seam and blow up drags and slants far more than getting a traditional LB. Our run defense would be good Even if we ran a 6 man front as our base, we have 2 safeties who I think are going to excel and turn our defense around completely BUT I still think we'll be very vulnerable to tight ends because those safeties are undersized for that job. 

 

I think killebrew or cash would have been huge pickups and that could be the one mistake of our draft, not getting a guy who can handle TEs. Was killebrew on the board when we took Alex lewis?

Killebrew was already gone by the time we picked Lewis. The one video I did find on Onwuasor makes me think he might be able to do what is needed. 

29 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Yep, he has a real shot at it too. It's a very open competition at the moment.

If he is willing to come up and play the run he could be a nice compliment to CJ Mosley.

33 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I think there's a good chance the undrafted ILB the Ravens picked up, Luckett, becomes the next starter. He has good size and range. Plus it's not like the Ravens haven't started undrafted linebackers before, such as Orr.

There is also the other UDFA Patrick Onwuasor, he's listed as an ILB after playing Safety at Portland State and Arizona before that.

9 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

1. Buck Allen

2. Kenneth Dixon

3. Trent Richardson

4. Terrance West (this spot may be lost if the Ravens decide to keep an extra tight end or receiver)

 

Forsett had one good year. Last year he didn't look like he had th same burst and agility he did the year before when he broke out for 1200 yards. I really hope he can play like he did he was a solid piece for us. But if not I can easily see the Ravens cutting him for cap savings. Allen showed promise as a rookie running back with back ups all around him, Dixon comes in with 87 touchdowns on his resume and he plays aggressive he may end up passing Allen on the depth chart. I think it will be very close. Richardson is a former 1st round pick has all the talent in the world. Running behind a solid O-line like ours will be a lot better than the Browns and Colts which have always had iffy O-lines. West is on the edge I see him competing with Forsett and if he is almost as good as Forsett it may benefit the team to cut Forsett to sign at another position. Young backfield but that has not stopped us before.

The knock on Richardson is that he can't seem to read the offensive line, so you can't put iffy offensive line play as a reason for him not being successful so far.

He can improve his functional strength which would help him go against the G. Sometimes him taking on that block and occupying the blocker allows the ILB to do his job better. 

4 hours ago, KBoum said:

Thats alright my friend. Some people think the same thing you do.

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/05/09/tale-of-the-tape/bronson-kaufusi-ideal-3-4-defensive-end/

 

What I find funny in this article is he said Kaufusi is the ideal 3-4 D-End but in the article he says Kaufasi was better rushing from the edge (like I said) and we don't know how he'll project since he didnt have lots of interior pass rush situations. I agree with that and the few times I've seen him rush from the inside he was pretty much just lowering his head and pushing without seeing whats going on unlike when he rush from the edges he keep good leverage and countain.

 

I also agree with the writer when he says its akward sometimes I've said it earlier but he doenst bend akward its more about his pass rush moves to be honest he's really not refine. He needs to work on his moves but I think he bends quite well I've paused a few of his outside pass rush and he bends surprisely well. He's one of the prospect I've studied the more since the draft and the more I watch him, the more its evident to me he's a 4-3 DE. I'm not saying he's a speed rusher but a Chris Long type of guy who could take the Right Tackle to provide a clear path to the RB/TE for the blitzing SAM

 

Well at a 3-4 DE he is still a 5tech (which is a DE in a 4-3 base set) the only difference is he has a OLB on the side of him.

I guess we just won't agree. 

2 hours ago, KBoum said:

 

Well thats the thing, a lot of players are better in 4 men front because thats a better scheme fit. Jernigan, ZDS, A. Brown, Kaufusi, Henry, C. Davis to name a few. I don't see why they would still want to use the 3 men front as much and force their personal into a schemes that don't fit so well right now.

We're a 3-4 Hybrid team, so we would play some 4-3 at times. That's how the team operates. Kaufusi was actually a  3-4 DE last year, where he finished second in run stoppage percentage and first in pass-rush productivity according to PFF. So he isn't being forced into a new scheme. 

8 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think we may hope that Smith steps up and develops into a more complete edge defender in his second year. This would allow us to play Dumervil and Correa behind Suggs or Smith. I think Correa will stay on the field even in 4-3 fronts but I see him at OLB and not 4-3 DE. 

I was thinking about him being the one to take that spot also. I have high hopes for him in year two, he's been training since about a week after the SB.

4 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Smith played his best as a 4-3 end last year so I don't think that'll be a problem. The real question is if he can play OLB and set the edge against the run. I don't think he set the edge as well as he rushed the passer last year. It even took him time to do that. I do think he's the key, though. If he wasn't a senior last year I think he would've gone very high in this draft. 

I agree he does play better as a 4-3 DE. I think it takes some players a little longer to get used to standing up. If that's what it is, then he should look a lot better as a OLB this season. 

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't see that skill set from correa. If he were to be a 34OLB I think he is the future heir to suggs. he has held down that spot and been held in such high regards for so long because he isn't just an edge rusher, he's not the best edge setter but he plays the run very well and is extremely instinctive on quick zone drops, I see Correa very much in the same light, I think if we stick with the 34 then the plan is to replace suggs with correa after some coaching and bulking up

I would agree, I'm just trying to figure out who will fill that void. 

1 hour ago, ravensdan said:

Idk man. I think you are a little off here. With some skills refinement I see him as a versatile olb. Idt he's an off ball lb covering TE etc. I think he can be a good back up edge guy and work his way in to more. His work ethic clearly there. 

Who do you think takes over for Upshaw? Do you think he will have a chance down the road?

5 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

No, Kaufusi as a full time OLB would be a waste of our resources and of his talent.

We already use some 4-3 set, so bringing Correa in wouldn't be hard. 

I didn't include Doom because I'm not sure he would be confortable as a 4-3 DE, I like him more as an OLB. 

Okay, good on the Kaufusi part. I know we already use some 4-3, but I know some people want us to make it a full-time thing. I can understand why it would be used more, but don't completely get rid of the 3-4.

Kaufusi can stand up, but it's not something I want him doing full-time. Yes I agree about Correa, his film shows that he can play not only on the line of scrimmage with his hand in the dirt or standing up, but he can also play off the ball in a 4-3 set.

I'm not sure if the team is ready for that set up on passing downs yet. Wouldn't you want Dumervil on the field?

20 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

I see Kaufusi & Correa being asked to drop into coverage frequently.

I can see the frontline D with strictly pass rushing ability on an all out blitz (Occasionally). 

Suggs/Kaufusi/Ocho/Correa/Doom with strong safety shooting the gaps.

I could see Correa dropping back in coverage, but Kaufusi will probably be playing 5tech DE.