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29 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I'm actually going to be surprised if Alex Lewis starts the Pitt game if Stanley is back. We all know Harbs has his doghouse and if Lewis isn't in it, I don't know who is. 

What makes you think Lewis is in the doghouse? 

57 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Which young guys specifically aren't playing enough?

Do you people even look at the snap counts before you ask these questions?

Who are we holding back at this point?

It was my understanding that the op was talking about when the veteran players get healthy. 

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I definitely agree poor drafting has contributed to this. I never said that wasn't the case. With that said, we weren't a young team. I'll disagree with you there. Also, if you want to throw around an attitude by saying "I'm not sure you even thought about what you said..." then get your facts right because Flacco was in his 4th year not 5th, Pierce didn't have that big of an impact in our Super Bowl run, Kruger was on his rookie deal but he was in his 4th year, just like Flacco. Jimmy Smith didn't see the field because he was injured on ST early against Pittsburgh in the first game of the year, yes, that's true; however, he was always eased along anyway and never really saw the field early and it wasn't just because he injured his ankle. He was never a starter immediately, and that's a fact. I remember that very well. He was behind the likes of Foxworth and Washington and Webb back then. 

We relied on a lot of veterans on the team in key areas, and used rookies rarely to start. KO was young, yes, that's true. But we also had Matt Birk, Bryant McKinnie, Marshal Yanda as veterans and Oher was in his 3rd year. That's a lot of veteran experience to mask 1 rookie's inexperience. Then you have Boldin and Jones, also two veterans, as well as Leach the FB. 

I definitely agree, once again, that poor drafting is hurting us. I'm not sure whether it's poor drafting or bad development, but there's definitely a problem here. 

I was going to edit my post last night, but it was late so I didn't. I re-read what you wrote and kind of got the sense we were saying the same thing. I wasn't implying that there was no veteran presence on the team, much like you weren't implying there was no contribution from younger players. Which is what I stupidly assumed you meant, and I'm sorry for that (it was late lol). 

One thing I will say is that just because the coaching does not think a younger player is worthy of the starting role, does not mean it is the right decision. We saw this with Judon yesterday getting 2 sacks, after being inactive earlier for the older and more expensive Dumervil. Now, I'm not saying cut Dumervil, but Judon should at least get some pt moving forward (which is what the op is all about). 

If only there was a top 5 guard cut in the preseason the Ravens could have claimed off waivers.  Line would be Sitton in a much better place right now. 

3 minutes ago, Maryland said:

We're 1 game out of first in our division with 5 divisional games left on the schedule. With how weak our division is this year, we are still very much in this thing. This bye week couldn't come at a better time; with Stanley, Yanda, and SS89 hopefully healthy for week 9, our OL and offense as a whole should be much improved. Our defense probably won't improve a whole lot post-Bye, since we still have no pass rush, but there are some injuries in the secondary, along with Mosley, obviously. Not counting on Suggs or Dumervil to save this defense, tbh. Nevertheless, with Roethlisberger out 4-6 weeks, we're still very much in the race for the AFCN.

And players and coaches don't tank, at least not in the NFL. A FO can assemble a non-competitive roster that will lose despite the coaches and players' efforts, but the coaches and players themselves do not lose on purpose. 

For what it's worth, Roethlisberger said he would have played today if it was the playoffs according to Nantz/Simms. Wouldn't be surprised if he plays in 2 weeks.  

52 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

The Jets game was essentially the make or breaker for our season and I am standing by that. From the top down we are a joke. Without going on a long rant, we lack discipline, our coach doesn't look like he can inspire anyone, we find new ways to lose each and every week. Face facts, we are the equivalent to the Browns this year. 

An important fact is that the Browns have 0 wins and Ravens have 3. Not quite equivalent. 

I don't think mental mistakes are really the issue. Just not enough talent. 

25 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

We're losing games because we are relying more on younger players than we have in the past. Go look at our Super Bowl roster and tell me you see a bunch of young guys contributing. Part of the problem recently is we are trying to get younger, and have tried since the Super Bowl purge. While getting younger has its benefits, there are some significant drawbacks and we are now experiencing those drawbacks. Those are the growing pains associated with young, inexperienced players getting experience. Jimmy Smith, a 2011 first round pick, rarely saw the field as a rookie because of the veterans in front of him. People clamored for him to start, but he was eased along. Fast forward to today and people are raising pitch forks that Perriman hasn't made a huge impact after coming off of two injuries and haven't been removed from football for two training camps. Guys take time to develop, and when you have solid veterans in front of them, it makes their development easier. This is the problem of our current Ravens--our veterans quickly aged and injured while the youth is being forced to start. Pitta, Monroe, Webb, Suggs, Dumervil are reasons why this team is hurting and hurt in the past. 

They're losing games because the roster is just not that talented because of years of poor drafting. I'm not sure you even thought about what you said about the Super Bowl team, but you couldn't be more wrong. Flacco was in his 5th year, Rice isn't even 30 yet, Bernard Pierce was a rookie, Torrey Smith was young, Pitta in his 3rd year, Osemele was a rookie, Arthur Jones in his 3rd year, McPhee in his 2nd, Kruger still on his rookie deal, Upshaw was a rookie, Jimmy Smith a 2nd year player. And Jimmy Smith rarely saw the field his rookie year because he hurt his ankle on the opening kickoff. 

This team isn't bad because of players "aging quickly". It's bad because the front office drafted terribly in recent years and had to use the extra cap money to fix up their mistakes instead of make the team better (Weddle/Elam, Dumervil/Upshaw, Wallace/insane amount of failed receiver picks). 

4 hours ago, Ravensdoordie said:

If Harbaugh is still around keep looking until he is finally gone... 

2017 will be like this year and the year before with him around...

hopefully biscotti sells the team to someone that knows how to hire people that know how to 

put a winning team on the field... He has money, but no brains... Keeps losers and senile GM's around way to long.

This is ridiculous. Do you not remember the Ravens making the playoffs 6 of Harbaugh's first 7 years? Or the Super Bowl 4 years ago? Hate Harbaugh all you want, but saying he doesn't know how to put a winning team together is just idiotic. 

I think the Ravens definitely need to start playing the younger players. The lack of playmakers on either side of the ball is killing this team. The only player that even has an argument to be considered a playmaker is Mosley (and maybe Jernigan). Give the young guys a shot and see what's there. I will say that it seems like the front office realized they weren't getting it done and made some changes because it seems like this rookie class is the best in recent years by far, and this is without any contributions from the 2nd and 3rd round picks. 

Edit: I feel like people are seeing the word "tank" and not even reading the post. All op is saying is that more reps should be given to younger players, not to lose on purpose. 

What do you guys think of Marquis Haynes from Ole Miss? This class is loaded with edge players and I would love to see the Ravens take one in the 1st.  Has to be the biggest need in my opinion.

Just now, nextgen_RavensFan said:

LMAO,,, Time to just accept that we are a bad team and Harb's is just accepting it as he knows he has Steve B fooled that we only need to get "healthy". Even if we get healthy we cannot play against middle to top tier teams. Flacco is awful this year and if our roster is always just one hurt player away from a collapse then something needs to be done to bring in better coach's to teach the back ups and or get better talent here. It has been obvious for years that this team has an awful eye for offensive talent. 

 

I wish Steve would grow a pair and make Harb's feel some heat in order to do something constructive instead of staying status quo. Look where it has gotten us the last 2 seasons. Other teams survive injuries. We are the new Browns in our division.

Tough to be the new Browns when the real Browns are 0-7.

Anyone else surprised by the amount of playing time Taliaferro got? I personally was excited to see what Dixon has to offer, but he obviously has not done much in his limited reps.  Hopefully it's a case of the staff really liking Taliaferro and not Dixon playing poorly.

I think we've found the next Belichick.

2 minutes ago, flynismo said:

That's to be expected of them. That's what they do. Yeah I get that there are plenty of decent ones too, but I'm not going to pretend that I'm shocked some Raiders fans got n a fight at our stadium.

Oh yeah I wasn't surprised by it either. I don't understand acting high and mighty after a game in which you had little to no impact on the outcome. Even the players shake hands afterwards. Just a sad situation all around. 

The amount of confrontation from the Raiders fans yesterday was a joke. These clowns were acting like they played in the game. I hope he pulls through and will be ok. Some people don't realize football is just a game. 

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

The play calling is some instances was still highly suspect in certain areas, but yes, Trestman actually made adjustments yesterday.  Unfortunately, he hadn't done much of that in the 3 games prior.

I don't really think the play calling was bad. What did you think was bad about it or had done differently? Not trying to be confrontational, just curious. 

But he did make adjustments when Flacco told him to start calling more deep balls. I know some can look at this as a negative (he should've realized it), but there is some positivity to that. Sometimes the QB and coordinator just see the game differently. And it's a good and refreshing sign that he was open to input and changed his game plan. I know of one coordinator the Ravens had that was too stubborn to change anything or give Flacco the freedom other QBs had. 

I really don't understand the fanbase's obsession with blaming coordinators. The only gripe could be not running the ball more in the first half, but he made an adjustment (something everyone has been clamoring for). His offense put up enough to win the game. He didn't drop that ball on the last drive, or underthrow Pitta, or constantly run routes a yard in front on the first down, nor is he responsible for the absolutely inept backup LT Hurst. He has no business being on an NFL roster. The amount of people posting "Trestman sucks!" and then not saying why or what they would do differently is laughable. 

Finally got the running game going, looks like it might have just been Forsett. 

Luckily Irvin and Mack is probably the best pass rushing duo the Ravens will face this year. Amerson and Smith are no joke at corner either. Tough matchup with the backup left side of the line. 

The defense played really well too. Wright got absolutely owned by Crabtree a couple times, but other than that they held the #2 offense in check. Run defense is real, especially against that o-line. 

14 minutes ago, xxhighriser said:

And that's the difference between backs like Forsett and Dixon.  Dixon often makes the first man miss so those no gainers will look like 2 yards and 2 yarders like 5.  If he's healthy of course we will still see a difference.  Don't forget the big play factor as well.

Couldn't agree more. Right now Forsett isn't making any one miss at all. Pretty much getting all his yards before contact. The leaders for that stat are usually around 3, which is pretty much what Forsett is averaging per carry. Now I'm not sure what Forsett is averaging before contact this year, so this is just a theory. 

Dixon if he is active. I'm interested to see how Perriman does against the bigger corners. Torrey Smith seemed to have trouble against them (Browner in particular). 

Defense I'm going to go with Webb. I think they'll play him over top of Cooper a lot. 

3 minutes ago, Daft Classic said:

Doom-Jernigan-Williams-Guy-Suggs

Judon-ZDS-Pierce-Urban-McClellan

 

I Like that 

Probably can add Correa to that too. Him being there on the Jags' final drive has to be a good sign, right? If Correa, ZDS, or Judon can develop into a consistent rusher, this defense will be scary good. 

8 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

He would have to have a helluva 11 or 12 game performance to pull off OROTY since he's gonna miss at least 4 games. 

Yeah, he won't get it over Zeke or Wentz if they stay healthy all year, but Dixon has a legitimate shot at third lol. Him and Will Fuller will be up there. 

8 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

Still waiting on this whole link thing....

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9 minutes ago, CaliRavenFan said:

The problem is that he is coming off back to back injuries to the same knee.. I know a lot of us fans have high expectations for the guy but im worried if we rush him back to soon that he will end up causing more damage and thats the last thing we want for our franchise back. I wouldnt bring him back until next week at the earliest and thats just for a couple series. Its a long season and fresh legs are a great thing to have at the end of the year.  Our problem is more of the very predictive play calling that gives our guys no chance before the snap, Im guessing most of our negative yardage is from our 1st down runs every single time.

Yeah I was assuming he would be 100% in my previous posts because rushing him back would be a bad idea. In all likelihood, we'll see something similar to what Jacksonville did with Ivory last week.