Not sure this really indicates they are moving away from zone. While he is powerful, he's still really athletic.
Anyone else think Jamie Collins when watching him?
Howard would be really tempting.
Rapoport tweeted about the Falcons trying to move into the top 10.
Barnett falls out of the top 20.
4 hours ago, KBoum said:My problem isn't only the drug test, but his lifestyle outside the football field. Yes I agree he is a top5-10 talent. Just like Rolando McClain was or maybe Trent Richardson but all of them had a toxic circle of people around them. We are talking about a guy, who's got a big AU tattoo on himself because he committed to Auburn but then changed his mind and joined Alabama. Also a guy who loves to party so unless he proves drastic improvements, I wouldn't draft him in the top 16 pick. Then again, Ozzie is the right guy to make the call, he's got great info coming from Bama I'm just stating my opinion.
Maybe I have just missed it, but how do you know who he hangs out with? Tattoos and changing his mind on the biggest decision of his life are hardly reasons to not draft someone. Let's not forget this is football we are talking about; you don't want a bunch of choir boys out there. I don't think there's any way he gets past 16.
Great trade. Have plenty of young guys to rotate and there was no way he was resigning after this year. Could possibly get a solid player on a rookie deal because of this trade. Curious to see what kind of deal he gets next year, and what round comp pick he generates. Not to mention the best part of the trade: more Pierce.
On 3/23/2017 at 2:47 PM, usmccharles said:One thing I don't get about the draft is when the word value is brought up. Im going to try to explain this the best I can, lets use Charles Harris as an example.
I see a lot of people saying taking him at 16 is too early, but if we traded back to the 20s no big deal. Now I know we would be getting an extra pick out of that, but how do you put a value of the production difference from slot 16 to say 25.
It would be like saying Suggs would have been a reach at 4 but at 10 it was a great pick. Well, considering the career he had, I think most people would of been comfortable picking him at 4. I don't know if im conveying my thoughts very well....work is crazy busy.
Extreme example is Tom Brady. Obviously, knowing what we know now, he would be the #1 pick in any draft class. But, taking him in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and to a less extent 5th rounds that year would have been bad value because you can get him later.
Another example: the market rate for an employee is $50,000 and you can hire him for that. It would be foolish to pay him $75,000, no matter how good you think he might be.
15 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:One play??
Did we watch the same tape?
I saw Barnett absolutely steal Cams lunch money time and time again.
It didnt always result in product bc Bama figured out real quick he would destroy the entire game. After the first series they almost exclusively ran the ball, and away from Barnett.... and only went his way after setting up good play fakes or counters.
But if you watch Barnett still had him beat within a step or two almost every play.
And even with the very limited opp to rush the passer I'm pretty sure Barnett still ended with multiple sacks and several other pressures/hits.
Did he have a FF or INT that game too? Forgetting bc it's been a while since I've watched Barnett since no other prospect has come close to dethroning him in my eyes as a pass rusher.
24 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:yes it suggests he's dominant in small windows where there is less distance to travel laterally
and i completely disagree - barnett beat cam on virtually every single snap in that game and had cam on skates the whole time - bama literally ran their offense away from barnett's side to try and stop him getting pressure
Rewatched and agree with you guys. I was seeing what I wanted to on the first watch. Idiot move.
4 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:I've watched this game 2/3 times and it hasn't changed my opinion at all for two reasons:
1) Garrett is not a polished rusher and doesn't know how to set up a tackle - he presented no threat to the inside so cam didn't have to defend and could high tail it to the outside to get hands on Garrett - Garrett is so used to just out-athleting tackles and overpowering them that he doesn't have an array of moves to use against cam who gets hands on and drops his hips
2) Garrett went into that game with a niggly injury and was not at full health
if you want to see cam deal with unpredictable and more polished rushers watch him get eviscerated by derek Barnett
I'm not seeing the evisceration you're talking about. He got beat one play, but did not give up a pressure other than that.
Also, the fact that one of the most athletic and powerful players to ever compete at the Combine did not overpower him or beat him athletically says something positive, imo.
17 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:Well the Robinson pick is good but I guess we could do a lot better in the 2nd
15 hours ago, RaineV1 said:I agree. And I still really don't like Robinson as a tackle. Could be a really good guard, but I think he'll struggle on the outside.
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/cam-robinson-vs-texas-am-2016/ Watch this game and I am sure your guys' opinions will change. Note who he is going against.
I'd say there is a .05% chance he is there at 16. He is a much better prospect than Ebron who went top 10 a couple years ago. Read a story/tweet (don't remember the source) that the Titans want him at 5 to pair with Walker.
O/U 20 seconds on the clock if Foster is there at 16?
11 hours ago, arnie_uk said:Can be man up on brandin cooks or edelman or gronk in the slot?
Can any safety?
On 2/11/2017 at 2:48 PM, Robbyrobbass said:The kid Zay Jones could be a steal in the 2nd round
Clicked this thread to post this. He dominated at the Senior Bowl.
On 2/13/2017 at 1:49 AM, ellicottraven said:I'm going to lay out a few names I wouldn't mind in the first round. All realistic hopefully depending on how many QBs go before us. Dalvin Cook. Quincy Wilson, Taco Charleton, Teez Tabor, Corey Davis. Lucky if these guys are avaiable and we should pounce - Rueben Foster, Mike Williams, Marcus Lattimore, Solomon Thomas or maybe even Fournette ( all unlikely but one can always hope and pray)!
Hopefully his leg is better by now
(Marcus is the running back from South Carolina whose leg snapped in half). I would probably add McKinley and Tim Williams. I personally think CB or EDGE is a lock.
Perriman is the best receiver on this team and it isn't close.
Ravens will win and then miss out on Mike Williams or Tim Williams by 1 pick.
1. Give Dixon 20 touches a game
2. Draft an edge pass rusher 1st round
3. Sign Garçon
4. Draft interior o-line
5. Corner depth
8 minutes ago, K-Dog said:Did we even get a new corner?
( long day. Memory is fried.)
Tavon Young and Jerraud Powers
4 hours ago, GhostofGrbac said:To be fair the Ravens reddit is full of homers. I mean there's a thread praising Joe for passing yards and QB rating.
I don't know how the people on reddit can look at the 2 Aiken plays and act like he wasn't open.
Well I'm kinda pissed I actually took the time to read what they were saying. Moat of them made absolutely no sense.
36 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:
I sincerely hope this person doesn't get paid to write
Hopefully they send him flowers or something. Can't believe I'm a fan of such a mean football team!
15 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:I don't want to hear it's all over the place. I want to hear about who the players are.
Logan Mankins is the most recent one that comes to mind. Trading away players unlikely to re-sign like Jones and Collins is also something he consistently does.
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