Jacquouille

Love the three. The first seems to be the best though 

Changed my mind when I started watching some tape of Myles Jack. He's the best talent in the draft to me, even better than Ramsey.

While everyone is looking for an upgrade in the pass rush, Guy had 4.5 sacks in 6 games sarted. He will be very decent as a starter, as a pass rusher he's better than Canty.

I've said it already, but I'm from France (the western part, known as Brittany for those who know), and started getting interested in football a year ago.

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Nice to see someone else on the Jack wagon.  when I posted my mock with us taking him at 6 I was the only one really suggesting that.  I think him and Mosely together would be huge

You made me curious, so I watched more of him. Rest assured, you'll never be alone on his wagon anymore. He blew me away like no prospect before him. We're talking about a guy that can play ILB, CB and OLB or even DE and be elite any way. He's a generational talent, no doubt.

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

That doesn't justify taking a rb 6th overall though lol. And also Spence and vh3 and even tread and Stanley hold more value at 6 than seek. Especially for this team

(it was 9th, but nobody cares). The point was to bring a player that has an impact from day one and for the next ten years. There is no such pass rusher or CB available at 6. Of course, there might be better choices than Eliott, Treadwell for example, but seeing how much replies I got, I'm happy I put Eliott on the table hehe!

30 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I think our offense is in far better of a situation than our defense.  If we don't get a pass rush, the qb has all day to throw, hurting our secondary, and vice versa.  Im not the biggest fan of Buck Allen, as I don't see him as a game changer, but I for sure think he can get the job done in our offense.   So to take another RB would make our teams defense take another step back which we cant afford, obviously.  Drafting a pass rusher later isn't the same as getting a top guy, obviously, that's the point of a guy being a top 10, top 20, 1st round, etc....the later you take a guy the more risk you run of getting a bust. 

I 100% agree. But to me Ogbah and the other rushers after Bosa have a high bust factor. And we couldn't afford to draft another bust in the 1st. 

20 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

 What we need is speed on the outside and someone to replace Suggs and the guy to do it is Spence. Not sure if you overlooked him or you don't rate him high enough for some reason.

I wouldn't like to draft Spence with the 6th pick. With a trade back in the teens yes. But to me there's a lot of hype right now... I'm still sceptical, off field issues aside, he's not as talented as Miller like everyone make it seem. I'm really high on Floyd and would be ecstatic if we got him in the 2nd

16 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

But... the talent at edge rusher position worth our #6 clearly is there, so I don't really see your point.

That's where I disagree. To me, if Bosa is off the board, there's no Edge worth it. I'd consider Buckner if he was there but I'm good with Guy to rush from the DE position. 

14 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

And just because they didn't dominate in their first means nothing, time to develop is needed for almost any position coming into the NFL.  Im all for a elite talent at rb, I have made numerous cases we need to find the next Ray Rice, he transformed this team and was dynamic, but the value isn't there when other RBs are being found way later.  We have far more pressing needs than a RB to be our first selection, unless Elliot can get to the QB. 

Yes, I agree. You need to give an OLB some time to developp. But in that case what's the problem with drafting one later and groom him like we've been doing with many before? Because he won't get you double digit sacks? Leonard Floyd will, given time.

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

with our team, i dont care if hes got barry sanders elusiveness with APs power and emmitt smiths vision, i wont want a RB 6th overall lol. in todays NFL you just cant compete with the high end teams without a few key things, 1) pass rush 2) offensive line 3) corners and obviously a QB, if you have those 4 things you can be absolutely mediocre everywhere else and as long as you arent cellar dwelling in the run game then you will probably have a successful team, none of the top flight teams in the league have any kind of heavy investment in RB and the steelers and vikings are the only "successful" teams with an elite RB, and i do not use those quotation marks lightly lol

Yeah but here's the thing. We badly need OLB and DB. That doesn't mean we have to draft one in the first if the talent isn't there. Hoping to get some direct impact from a pass rusher is not a good idea, just look at Beasley, Shane Ray, Dupree, Gregory... Spence is not a better prospect than Beasley to me.

We could go cb, but Hargreaves will have to prove himself in the  combine. The best CB for now is Alexander, and he won't solve the turnover question. 

OK, I probably should have explained my choices after all. I agree this draft is a little original to say the least, but pretty much everything has been said about Treadwell, Buckner and co... So a little change sounded good. Gonna get bashed but no regrets!

I - According to some sources, Eliott is considered by scouts as a rare talent, on pair with Gurley's, minus the ACL. This might be bold but to me NYG will take him if he falls to them.

II - The last time Ozzie picked this high, he took a RB that carried the offense. We don't have that right now. The running game has been bad all season long, and that's because, as good as Allen and Forsett were, they can't carry it. Allen has a damn special talent as a double threat, but he averaged something like 3.9 yds/carry. That's not enough. Everyone kept saying we need a playmaker, Eliott is one of the biggest available to me.

III - As much a we need pass rushers and CB, it doesn't mean we must get one in the 1st round and for two reasons: 

1) There isn't any CB or OLB worth the 6th pick at this point. Ramsey and Bosa are the only two worth it and by my predictions they're gone. I'm still not sold on Spence at 6.

2) What we lacked at OLB was depth. If we had depth, Doom could have been used on 3rd downs only, and Z could have been put in a more confortable position. What we lacked in the secondary was a playmaking FS. Jimmy and Shareece were good in the second half of the year, they didn't give up the big plays that killed us in the first half. We just lacked turnovers, and that's because Lewis was a non factor and got only flags. Change him for Thompson and we're good, really.

Problem with Eliott? Or is it the choice of a RB in the 1st?

I'm lazy to explain each of the choices as of now so feel free to ask and I'll answer later.

Titans: Tunsil

Browns: Goff

Chargers: Bosa

Cowboys: Ramsey

Jags: Buckner

TRADE BACK with TB for their 2nd: Vernon Hargreaves

SF: Carson Wentz

Miami: Myles Jack

Ravens: Ezekiel Eliott

2) Leonard Floyd

2) Darian Thompson

3) Sterling Shepard

4) Joe Dahl

4) Joe Schobert

4) Cyrus Jones

3 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Fine, lets just say for argument sake that Maxx doesnt just project to Jimmy Graham, he actually plays like Jimmy Graham - next season..... 

For that projection, then Crockett Gillmore would also have to put up Jimmy Graham type numbers for them to reach 1,500 yds combined......... in the same offense. Around 140 combined catches just by the TE's. And remember Maxx didnt start putting up numbers until both Gillmore and Boyle went down, as well as SSS. So, yea he had a good season but he was thrust into being one of the top 2-3 targets.

Is he still going to be that when SSS, Perriman, Aiken, Gillmore, Maxx, Boyle, Forsett, Buck and Juice - plus likely another FA WR added in the mix - all get their touches? 

Sorry man... aside from a couple seasons in history that included monster years from a few of the best TE's in history that type of production just doesnt happen from the TE position. 

I love both guys, and you can add Boyle into that mix. I'll put my life savings though that they dont get to 1,500 yds or get to 1,200. I'll bet Gillmore, Maxx and Boyle all combined dont get to 1,500.

Oops, seems like I have not been understood. I didn't want to argue that the TEs could combine for 1500yds and 18 TDs, but simply that the argument made above made no sense. I think those numbers are unrealistic, 1200yds and 10TD combined if they stay healthy would be my pick.

32 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

LOL not a chance this happens. And I suppose you think Flacco is going to throw 40 td's and 4500+ yards?? Not how our offense works. Furthermore, Gilmore hasn't shown he can stay on the field long enough to put those kinds of numbers up and I would love to hear why you think Williams will make a huge jump. I could almost never tell he was even on the field this year and had next to no impact. I expect a better year from him, but with Gilmore and Boyle taking playing time from him I don't think Williams gets anymore than 400 yards and 3 td's. Hoping he proves me wrong. Perriman I see putting up 750 and 6 td's as he improves throughout the year.

Flacco has never had as many weapons as he has now. Not projecting 40TD but he was on pace for 4300 yards this season, so why does that sound incredible, with new weapons rising?

Williams had the best season for any TE in Ravens history. More than Heap, Gilmore, and way above Pitta, whose numbers were ridiculously low from what I've seen. Williams' numbers as a rookie compare to Jimmy Graham, for example. TE never have a great impact in their rookie season, so it's just normal that he had just 250yds and 1TD as a rookie. Plus, he was the youngest player in the NFL last year, and can physically improve A LOT this offseason.

I do think ZDS takes over for Upshaw, I already prefer Z over Upshaw actually. But if we keep the comparison with Pernell, Z should be a 2-down player that is used to set the edge and pressure the QB when needed. The 3rd downs belong to Doom and Sizzle, the future drafted OLB will split time with Suggs on the other side, that is how I see it.

One player we haven't talked much about is Orr. He improved a lot this year and showed nothing but good things when on the field. This year he will take over the starting role opposite CJ and do all the dirty work (coverage, mostly), letting CJ fly around and follow his instincts to make big plays.

2 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

Leonard Floyd will drop to the 2nd round. More tape I watch on him he does flash great pass rushing skills, but gets pushed out of the way easily in 75% of the plays he's in. 

Possible, I have seen him mocked in the second already. Would love to get him in the 2nd, he's got an tremendous talent. 

Reggie Ragland running a fast (or at least not slow) 40 would make me consider him for a trade back. It's one of my biggest worries with him. If he shows some good stuff as a pass rusher I would be really taunted also, his versatility as a LB would be huge for us.

2 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Very interesting thought process indeed if Ezekiel turns out to be that kind of talent... with the AFC North teeming with great RB talent, I won't put it past the Ravens to do so but not at #6. If that is who they're targeting they'll keep it really close to the vest and absolutely trade back and still get him.

My thoughts exactly. I think TB is a great trade partner. I see more and more VH3 falling to us, and TB wanting to get him before Miami, will think about giving their 2nd to us. I would have no problem taking Eliott in that case.

Jeff Risdon from Draft Breakdown released a mock today and he has us taking... Ezekiel Eliott. To say I was surprised would be an understatement, but at the same time I've always thought that we lack a worhorse back to carry the running game with power, something neither Allen nor Forsett can do. He gave us Josh Doctson in the 2nd, which I don't hate, but I think there would be better choices.

Here's the link: http://draftbreakdown.com/jeff-risdons-post-super-bowl-mock-draft/

4 hours ago, January J said:

That's crazy you say that because a month or so Ago I had a dream that we picked ogbah too ! I believe I posted something about it as well. Not sure if it was at 6 or after a trade back but that's wild we both had dreams about a player that hasn't really been on anybody's radar.

Yes, I wasn't on this forum at the time but I remember I read you saying that. Maybe because PFF had the same dream in their first mock?

14 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

People talk about Bosa not fitting into a 3-4, I really feel that Dodd can't play OLB here far more than Bosa. 

My thoughts exactly, he seems to get all his burst from his hands. He would be really slow starting from a stand up position. I widely prefer Fackrell, Ochi or Schobert, fast guys with some nice moves that we can get later in the draft.

Finally got to see some tape of Kevin Dodd, I like him but think he's a bit slow for a 1st rounder. He seems technically OK, but I don't see enough burst. I think he's gonna have an average combine, and we will be able to snatch him in the second round.

I see a higher ceiling for Spriggs, I wouldn't take a guy to become an above average LT in the 2nd round if I thought he was going to become an above average blocker. He's shown good stuff against high level competition from what I've heard, and Castillo can work his magic with him. Iv do agree with the Hurst improvement, which to me is needed.

I like Miller in the 3rd, he's explosive and dynamic, and some lessons with SSSr would help him become what we all want to see him become, namely AB 2.0

I still trust Brooks and Elam to make the leap, I just hope they can stay heatlhy and get on the field.

I still don't believe Ngakoue will be available, but that's nitpicking because there will be some good pass rushers in the 4th (Schobert, Fackrell, Ochi, maybe Jenkins...) and the rest of the draft has me drooling. I also find it realistic, which makes it even better. One of my favourite mocks so far.

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Hopefully Ramsey is in the conversation. I like darian thompson as well, very underrated prospect and he could be the next legit center fielder.

Glad I'm not the only one liking Thompson. He's a game changer.

19 minutes ago, cobrajet said:

I see a lot of love for the potential of getting Ramsey in the draft. I really hope he falls to us, but like many of the draft experts are predicting I find it hard to believe that Jax (a team that really needs secondary improvement) would pass on a big athletic player like Ramsey. I just don't see it, but I hope I am wrong. If we picked up Ramsey, I see him starting at CB for us, with Webb as FS and Hill as SS.

Yeah, I don't see them passing on Ramsey either, except if they wanna go to the Gator, namely VH3... But Ramsey is on another level to me.