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2 hours ago, gabefergy said:

Bosa is a monster. He's a rare prospect and fits a huge need for the Ravens. I have zero concerns about his ability to play OLB in our scheme. It's a silly reason not to draft an elite player like him if he were to fall.

Buckner is a fine back-up plan at #6 if the likes of Jack, Ramsey, Tunsil and Bosa are all gone. Those are the 4 blue chip prospects in this class imo.

I will agree 1000 times with you.

First, the fit at OLB is a dumb question. ZDS was projected as a 4-3 end and nothing else, yet he had one of the best season for a rookie Edge Rusher last year.

And I also totally agree for the 4 blue chips thing, and Buckner being a fine Back Up plan.

Personnally, I would prefer Bosa, because of the differences in need. They have similar talents, but selecting Buckner would waste the talents we have with Guy, Urban or even ZDS who will eventually play some snaps as an interior rusher.

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I honestly don't see him getting past SF after their mass exodus of their front seven including 2 of their starting ILB's in the past 2 years.

Forgot about SF. I would fear a bit less that SF takes him, because they have so much needs, and because Chip Kelly. But that pick would make a ton of sense for them.

I don't think we could grab Myles Jack with a trade back, honestly. Miami seems like a team that would take him without hesitation.

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What round does Joe schobert go? I think the 2 most natural scheme fits in This class are schobert and Spence. Spence for obvious reasons, and schobert because he does it all. Great short range coverage and great movements and reads in space suggests he can zone drop very often, he has great edge rushing technique and burst off the line, and seems to do everything very smart and efficient. He could stand to pack on a few pounds but man is he underrated as a 34OLB. I'd take him one the 3rd without question. He's the kind of mid round guy with a high floor and low ceiling that ends up a full time starter and key player for us after some learning and bulking up.

1000 times agreed that Schobert is a good fit. He's got good vision and versatility, and nice moves as a rusher. I see him as a 4th round guy.

I also like Fackrell, he's got this impressive bully factor, seems unstoppable at times.

Maybe Correa could fit, but I'm not a huge fan. 

Joe Dahl can definitely play as a guard on his first year if we draft him in the 4th

So Myles Jack reportedly won't fully participate in the Combine. Does that change anything?

2 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

Gonna have to disagree on that, Weddle was a really good athlete coming out of college with 4.48 40 and 1.43 10 yard split which I think is one of, if not the best in combine history, I'm not trying to knock Thompson because I like him okay, but he's not the athlete Weddle was or is right now.

'kay, guess I was wrong then, but his athleticism didn't jump on me, on the rare occasions I got to watch him. I'll have to rewatch then, but anyway, it's not like Thompson isn't a good athlete, it's just not his forte. He will put up very decent numbers, I'm pretty optimistic on that.

33 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I thought he lacked athleticism which I still believe but he has plenty of range and the smarts to practically run routes with receivers, and he has ball skills and wingspan to match up any wr in the NFL. 

 

And I may be in the minority but I really like Jackson and I'm not so big on fuller.

Then we agree on both points. 

As for Thompson, I don't think athleticism is that big of a problem when you're a safety and you have his vision and intelligence. Weddle doesn't have superb athleticism if you ask me, and yet is a top5, maybe top3 at his position. Thompson is the center fielder type, always ready to jump routes and excellent when it comes to predicting the play. I'm just starting to see him mocked as a first rounder, and believing he'll be gone before we can even consider taking him.

As for Jackson and Fuller, every tape I watched of Fuller he got burnt. I'm higher on Jackson as well.

On 13/2/2016 at 9:17 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Could anyone give me a reason why darian thompson isn't a first rounder? He is an absolute stud ballhawk. He looks like he obviously is a film junkie, very high iq, great pre snap, great diagnosing, knows when to stick to his job and when to make a play, he jumps routes like he was in the huddle with the offense, and his picks aren't just from bad throws, this boy is a real deal ballhawking safety and he is what we are missing on the back end. He may be the guy im now campaigning for in the second round

I remember when you were telling me Thompson with our 2nd was a reach, feels satisfying to see you saying that now  

Also, I was wondering, is there any chance that Apple falls to us in the 2nd? If not, would you rather have Fuller or Will Jackson III?

Being a stranger to the 4-3 schemes, I can't argue with what has been said. However I think Myles Jack would have plenty of fun in a 3-4, where he could occupy at will any of the LB spot, depending on how he or Pees wants to affect the opponent's weakness. He could be a pain for the opposing OC to deal with, being able to do everything.

37 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

It could be a good place to take him, but I wouldn't be surprised if Shepard went in the late 2nd. The Chiefs in particular could really want to get him to give them a playmaker at WR.

I follow the chiefs alot, and I think What they really need is a tall receiver, red zone target. They already have shifty playmakers in Maclin and Conley. Imo they'll take a Josh Doctson type of wr.

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

is round 2 too early for shepherd?

Imo yes, our place is perfect to take him with our third pick.

13 minutes ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

1st - Jaylon Smith / Myles Jack

2nd - Cody Whitehair / Jason Spriggs 

3rd - Sterling Shepard / Yannick Ngakoue

4th - Cyrus Jones

5th - Bralon Addison / Charone Peake

We have 3 4th, and no 5th

He did say "possession" also, and from what I've heard, Boyd could be used that way, the staff in Pitt just prefered to use him as a slot, which he does exceptionally well.

Repeating myself, but not Spence, not over Myles Jack or even Vernon Hargreaves. We can get some very good pass rushers even in Day 3. Noah Spence isn't a game changer like other talents that would still be available at this point.

Overall it's not bad, just not my taste. Curious to know who you would like in the later rounds though?

34 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Yeah. He is a unique talent in just about any class and I agree about us taking him if he's there. Wonder how Pees would use him,move him around and truly get the most out of such a special player. I wonder sometimes.

I see him being used as an OLB, always lined up on the edge, next to a WR, so that he can either rush the passer or drop into coverage, or be a spy (which, imo, would be silly considering all the other things he could do, but it's Pees). 

25 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

Look at someone like Eli Harold from last year and you'll see a big difference in first step and acceleration from Calhoun.

Will do, thanks

The more I see of him, the more I am convinced that if Myles Jack is there at 6, he's our guy. He would add so much more to our defense than any of the CBs or pass rushers in this draft. His talent is truly special.

That's true, hence the "for What it's worth". I just tend to believe him this time. 

26 minutes ago, Edgar said:

At this point I'd say spence may not make it to number six in round one. 

C'mon...

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

His anticipation is great but when he fails to time his jump then his slow starts become very obvious, that part of his game really jumps off the film to me. These analysts may be confusing a quick first step with His anticipation. The thing about it is that NFL tackles have such a fast backpedal that no amount of anticipation can help if you have no explosion off the line.

Well then I may be completely unable to see the difference on films!

4 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

This could be the only opportunity for Jerry to get a primo QB and his staff worked with Wentz at the Senior Bowl. Plus we're talking bout Jerry Jones lol. He wanted Manziel and his son talked him out of it plus a lot of teams need QB(Texans,Rams,Eagles and even maybe Saints) so pickins could be slim in the 2nd rd.

For what it's worth, Jerry declared he wasn't going to draft a QB. Will have to find the article though

14 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Romo will be 36 entering this year and is injury prone and when he went down it cost the Cowboys their season. I most defintly can see them drafting a QB. I can also see them trading with Tennessee.

In that case they'd prefer to draft a QB in a later round, they could get a Connor Cook in the 2nd for example and they'd be fine with him I think. This year's class of QB is just bad, it's not worth a 4th pick when you have 5 or 6 blue chip guys that you can't miss on.

21 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

with his lack of a first step I think he'll never be a real speed rusher but with his violent and pretty refined style I think he could pack on 20 lbs and become a very good bullrusher.

Funny, I've heard several times the expert saying Calhoun had an insane first step, I guess that's my limit as an analyst, I can't follow here.

He definitely needs to improve his bullrush, I've seen him countless times put a Tackle on his heels and not be able to finish it just because he lacked strength. I still think he could become a very good OLB, he's fluid and can rush from the stand up position better than most of the pass rushers I've seen in this class.

11 minutes ago, January J said:

I kind of see the opposite- the more mocks I see the more I get the feeling that bosa or ramsey have a good chance Of falling To us. even tunsil Is possible.

a top notch player is inevitably going to fall to us. Whether it be bosa, ramsey, tunsil, or buckner. And if  Something Wild happens and none of them do we still have the option for treadwell, Spence or jack. Whether we trade back or not.

 

I can't think of any scenario in which Ramsey falls to us. He should be the highest player on both Dallas' and Jax's board, and he's gonna destroy the combine, being the athlete he is.

However, I have this feeling that Bosa will not dominate the combine and will slide to us, just like Sizz at the time. For now I think it's between Jack, Hargreaves and Spence (though I'm not a big fan of Spence).

I'm wondering why Treadwell when we could get the same value in the 2nd with Boyd?

For now my first round favourite stays Myles Jack.

I'm maybe the only one, but I do think drafting Thompson would solve our problems in the secondary. He has an insane football IQ, is a leader that helps his teammates position themselves, and above anything else a true ballhawk. He's NFL ready and would make a big impact for us. While I like the CBs in this draft, I also think Jimmy, Shareece and Davis are very good corners. Jimmy and Shareece have proven themselves in the second half of the season, the only time our secondary got exposed was against Seattle, and 90% was on Webb imo.

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He anticipates the snap. Sometimes he times it perfectly and other times he is extremely late off the ball, and when he guesses wrong he is very slow to step

I don't understand how you can know that by watching film (that's a real question)

6 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

Buckner and Leonard Floyd

That would be very nice, and they would greatly benefit from each other.