Somerset Ravens

This would be a good draft for us. Lamp would be a great addition to our offensive line. I really like the double dip on defensive backs in the third, hope fully King would still be there.

On April 4, 2017 at 11:43 AM, PurpleHorseman said:

What happened in court? Could of been self defense. Were you there? Do you know any party involved?

Obviously I was not there nor do I know any of the parties involved. You should really read the accounts of the domestic violence arrests in 2012 and 2013 as well as his arrest in 2016.  Please let me know what you think of those events after you discover what really happened.

what happened.

I would be disappointed if this was our draft as I do not see good value with the first two picks. I like Ryan Anderson but taking him with the 48th pick is quite a reach. I do have concern over Reddick's size but the bigger issue to me is his tackling. According to Pro Football Focus last season Reddick missed 15 of 76 attempted tackles and over three seasons missed 28 of 150 attempts. I would be surprised if that improves much against a higher level of competition in the NFL. A linebacker with tackling problems is not where I want to use the  16th pick.

16 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

The Westbrook hate is inept. It was a small incident and was over in a hot minute. Senseless to write off every player ever accused for anything. Interview the guy and get your take on his personality. I like Stewart the best to. But Westbrook is really good. If he is there in round 3 at our comp pick. Oz should consider him. If we haven't already drafted Stewart or JuJu. However you are right about Stewart. Wow!!

Do you consider being arrested twice for domestic violence against the mother of his child a small incident?

20 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Too bad we cant draft the next Barry Sanders in McCaffery

Have you ever seen Barry Sanders play? McCaffery is not in his league.

I would agree that Matthew Judon could really step up this year, he was impressive on defense. I expect to him to cut down on his special team penalties.

If we get our tight end situation straight I think Maxx Williams  could break out this year. He has a good season as a rookie and hopefully he can stay healthy this year after falling to the injury bug last year.

I also think Patrick Onwuasor could surprise this season.

15 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

As much as we are arguing about Timmy's value etc. Does anyone here actually think he's going to be traded?

I do not see anyone giving us a high enough pick to trade him. The only way I see a trade happening is that we trade him is for another underachieving player, which is a long shot.

12 minutes ago, Drinkmore Beer said:

Where did the Ravens rank in time of possession? Because of our pass-happy offense, probably near the bottom. Which means our D was on the field too long and gassed by the 4th quarter. There goes the pass rush and the finish.

In 2016 we were tenth in the league in time of possession. That was probably a result of our dink and dunk offense. A strong running game would be a big help with finishing drives with touchdowns instead of settling for field goals.

He seems to have a knack for being in the right place. I wish the draft started tomorrow as I am anxious to see who we end up with.

15 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm an Alabama fan myself and I've watched Tim Williams probably more than any player in this class. Sorry for getting so defensive, I misunderstood as it seemed like you were attempting to take every word I said 100% literally, like when I said there was plenty of film showing him defending the run, I didn't mean he was on film as a full time 3 down guy, I meant that there was just plenty of evidence of him showing at least some competence in that regard. 

And I believe that williams was given limited opportunities there simply because Sabah is a winning coach and knows how valuable it is to use your defensive depth. They had an all time great front seven with ridiculous amounts of NFL talent and didn't wanna wear out his top pass rusher, simple as that. I'm no drawing a definitive conclusion of him as a 3 down defender, I'm trying to project the guy based on what I've seen, his run stopping abilities, albeit in small sample sizes, looks way better than Charles Harris and about on par with takk McKinley. Getting a great pass rusher at 16 is gonna come with some concerns to be worked out, what I'm saying is that we make a reasonable projection as to where his run defense could end up and take the odds

Hopefully we can have a conversation about Tim Williams after the 2017 season and discuss how his rookie season went.

Being an Alabama fan I was wondering what you thought of Ryan Anderson? He was my second favorite player on their defense last year.

42 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

That's one game and he had beaten the tackle badly multiple times only to slip and fall when the grass came out from under his feet, happened quite a few times. 

He was used sparingly against the run, but that doesn't mean there is no film out there of him defending the run? Stop with the semantics, im not here to spoon feed you information so you can try to dissect my words to fit your narrative. 

As you can very clearly see, Barnett was taken ahead of us, meaning we can't take him over williams, my post clearly says that a player who is elite against both the run and the pass is likely gonna go too early for us to take at 16, it's what happens, edge rushers hold a lot of value and if they also happen to be an effective 3 down starter then they hit that top 10 range. williams has shown competence against the run and he would need some reps and coaching to build upon that, it's not fair to call him a one trick pony because his opportunities to prove otherwise have been limited, but he has shown in this past year some pretty decent play vs the run, and at worst a competence and willingness to work to get better in that regard. 

You really are more than welcome to watch all of his games that you can find online like I have done multiple times, if you want to pick apart my arguments based on my word choice then I'm not gonna continue spoon feeding you about williams, you can just find out for yourself and then bring an actual football related argument to the table.

I am sorry that you feel I am trying to pick apart your words, that certainly is not my intent. I am trying to respond to points that you made.Our opinions of William's value differ. There is nothing wrong with us not being in agreement. I find it interesting to examine a different point of view.

The reason I brought up Barnett and Williams was that of value. I understand that Williams has had limited opportunities against the run, but the limited sample size does not let you draw as definitive a conclusion as seeing him as often we do as a pash rusher. Doesn't it make you wonder why he didn't play more against the run? He may develop into a good run defender but we need to see more of him against the run. I do not question his work ethic but I am concerned about Scouts Inc. questioning his football intelligence. The off field issues also take away from his value in my mind.

I am sure you watch more film than I do but I am an Alabama fan and watched them play eight times last season so I have seen Tim Williams play. You and I will just have to agree to disagree on William's value.

10 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

 

williams doesnt just have pass rush ability, he has ELITE pass rush ability, he is a game changer. not to mention, tim williams really isnt just a one trick pony, like i stated above he has film out there of him holding up quite well in the run, he crashes the line on the back end of zone plays very well, pursues great, and his motor runs as high as anyone in the class, and this year he beefed up a lot and played much more physical and really progressed big time against the run. 

 

I am not saying that Williams is not a good pass rusher, I am not sure he has reached elite status yet. How elite did he look against Clemson in this year's national championship game?

10 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i think his lack of opportunity against the run is being held way too much against him. williams has plenty of film of himself defending the run well, it just shows up sparingly since hes playing on a front seven that is basically all NFL talent with NFL talent backups. the tides front seven the past 2 years is absolutely ridiculous and you cant fault a player for the coach wanting to keep his legs fresh to do the more valuable job and do it better. 

 

You mention Tim Williams lack of opportunity against the run, then you say there is plenty of film showing him defending the run well but that it shows up sparingly. Seems to be contradiction there.  Is it that the coach wants to keep his legs fresh or is it that the coach does  not want to expose his weakness against the run?

11 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

 

you dont draft an edge defender at 16 for his run stuffing abilities, you draft him because he can get to the qb very well, which williams does, at that point you hope he either provides enough value there or he progresses into a 3 down starter. guys who can pass rush like tim williams but also defend the run at an elite level end up going top 3, so to get a guy with williams' talent level at 16 is great, because he brings a top 5 impact at potentially the most valuable aspect of a defense and just needs to progress in an area that can be addressed with dime-a-dozen players. courtney upshaw may be a better edge setter, but i doubt anyone would take upshaw at 16 hoping he becomes a better pass rusher, you can do that with pass rushers though and hope they develop their run defense.

 

I think you draft an edge defender at 16 you expect him to be able rush the passer as well as play well against the run. If both Derek Barnett and Tim Williams are available at 16 who do you take and why? You say that you hope he progresses into a 3 down starter which sounds like you are saying he is a one trick pony.

I also think you are taking William's multiple off field problems too lightly. I know you saw interviews that made you feel comfortable with Williams but I am one who thinks actions speak louder than words. I really hope he can put his problems behind him but at this point there are still lingering concerns.

In your draft scenario I would be looking to trade back at 16. IMO Williams does does have enough value to take with the 16th pick.

Looking at your draft it seems to me that your picks are all a round too early. To me Tim Williams is a one trick pony, he does have pass rushing ability but little else. He missed  drug tests which are a red flag for me.To me a first round pick should be a complete player not one dimensional.Tim Williams going in the first round would be a surprise to me.

I do like Schuster but he really needs to improve his route running but he does have good hands and should do well on contested catrches.

22 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Here's my logic on that. Why would we trade him for anything less than a 2nd? Think about it, we lose his game for a full year (this year) and then we let him walk next year because we couldn't afford to pay him (afford being the operative word). Jernigan will make silly bucks in the open market for sure and will assure us a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2019. I don't see us trading him for other than a 2nd round pick or an exchange for an equally impactful player. I would be disappointed if we just traded him now for anything less than a 2nd and lose his services for 2017...

I cannot see Jernigan getting big bucks in free agency. I see him ending up with a one year prove himself deal. He does have ability but utilizes it far too infrequently. He makes too many boneheaded plays. I do not see replacing his inconsistency as being too much of a problem.

1 minute ago, 757RavensFan said:

A few posts on Twitter that the Ravens are in talks to trade him.  

What are we going to get in return?

It was sad to read the comments from both Juszczyk and Aiken, I had thought that they both had more class.

5 minutes ago, berad said:

Jeff Zrebiec has tweeted it before, vaguely saying 'The Ravens feel he looks uncomfortable at RT' or something to that effect

Thanks

1 hour ago, Adreme said:

The Ravens have said he doesn't look good on the right so he isn't going to play RT.  Also you are arguing for a possible upgrade with some flaws to work out (possible because Lewis did look pretty good in his limited time.

Alternatively you take the natural RT who is almost certainly an upgrade because you do not have one on the roster.

I am curious who it was from the Ravens said Lewis does not look good at RT. When was it said? 

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

The move to get rid of joe involved clearing 47m in cap space this year. That is not rearranging money, that requires a total dismantling of the team 

Do you think some of the people here cannot understand this or that it ruins their trip to fantasy land?

I would be thrilled with this draft. I would really like adding Elflein and Moton to our OL. Barnett is what our defense needs. JuJu does not seem a good fit in the second round, his route running needs a great deal of work. Overall this is a great mock.

1 hour ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Sidney Jones will be gone by the 3rd round, one way or another. Nice thought, but utterly in vain.

Depends how much time he will miss. If he will miss most of the 2017 season him going in the third round is very reasonable, especially with so many other quality defensive backs available in the draft.

Your draft certainly has plenty of potential. The problem I see is that only Corey Davis and possibly Isaac Asaita will be able to offer meaningful contributions in the 2017 season. By 2019 several of these players could be mainstays in our lineup.

4 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

idk about all that.

What gives you that indication specifically?? Considering they didnt feel Urschel or Jensen could be the 2nd option at guard last year... seems odd they'd be set with either of them starting there next year.

I could see De'ondre Wesley or Hurst being the options at RT ahead of moving Lewis over.

And Skura's a guy to keep an eye on for the C position. Made a pretty sizable investment to keep him on the PS last year (relatively speaking of course).

It will be very interesting to see what Skura has to offer this season, hopefully we get lucky.

i cannot see either Hurst or Wesley being a starter at right tackle. Hurst has shown he is not capable of being a starter.

50 minutes ago, purpletide said:

True. I just wonder if we could have shook a little bit more value out of the trade though.

Perhaps a bag of chips.

25 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

I'm sorry but that's hillarious! We moved up 12 spots in the 6th round. Really?...

Just let the guy walk allowing him to chose his destination if that's all we get in return. Am I missing something?

It's just business, nothing personal.