Jaybirds

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Do people live in a bubble? Do you not hear about every other team losing players to injuries during the offseason?

i mean the Jags lost Fowler last season and Ramsey got hurt this year. Man those Jags and their crazy practices! Oh wait, they purposely did mainly classroom work and light non-contact stuff and Ramsey still got hurt?? 

If we were going light and guys get hurt we'd be complaining that we're not preparing the guys right or getting them in good enough shape. Darned if they do, darned if they don't. 

Last year was crazy, so I get the sensitivity to injuries... But come on now. Over Harbs tenure we haven't been any more prone to injury than any other team.

And on that "mutiny" Pollard was the catalyst and he's never stuck with any team bc he starts stuff behind the scenes and doesn't get along with anyone. Vets don't like practicing hard, period. But young guys need it. Harbs is good about giving vets rest days.

SSS is the elder statesman of the team And goes harder than anyone in practice. No issues what so ever with "practicing too hard." If a, what 37 year old can do it and even go above and beyond that, then it's not too hard for a bunch of 20-something's. 

These are mainly freak injuries. We've had an unlucky streak no doubt. But it's misfortune, nothing else. Every team deals with it, the extent of which is largely up to chance. 

The last two years we've been more prone to injury than any other team.  Are we insisting that's just a coincidence?   Aging roster, really bad luck, etc.?   I have trouble believing that. 

Also, the 37 year old couldn't do it.  He was on the IR before the season ended.  

18 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

His acl injury isn't due to going too hard in camp. There's also issues with hamstring pulls that can be tied in to not warming up properly or the long time standing around between reps that happens more often when you have an inflated offseason roster.  

Except this isn't the thread for his injury.  This is about all the injuries, mostly from the past couple of years.  And then the new trend that seems to be starting. 

Or are you thinking that's all just randomly bad luck and had nothing to do with the team?  We just added the conditioning training this year on a whim? 

27 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

Ok so what drill and speed was perriman doing when injured?

" The injury apparently occurred after Perriman caught a pass on a back shoulder fade during one of the drills, went down without any contact and continued to practice. On Friday, he told the Ravens the knee was a little sore."
-Don Markus, Baltimore Sun. 

I'm surprised, I thought it would have been a sharp twist or turn, but it doesn't sound like it. 

8 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

Well the team did change up the conditioning program this yr and in a sport with so much running and contact injuries are bound to happen. 

 

As far as saying a reason for injuries is due to making people compete for their jobs I think it's a foolish statement. They shouldn't be half assing whether they're spot is handed to them or not so what's the alternative? Mental reps only?

I don't have an alternative.  But we lost more starters last year than any other team, and I think the year before that.  So we are doing something different than normal. 

Maybe, just maybe, going 100% every time is a bad idea.   Especially considering how many of these injuries weren't game related.  

I'm not saying I'm right.  I'm saying it's something worth considering. 

I'm starting to wonder if it's an issue with the coaching stafff.  Maybe it's the drills, maybe it's the pressure of making everyone compete for their job, I don't know.  But after so many injuries each and every year, the common denominator here isn't the players. 

I'm just here for the pic of Tucker!

11 hours ago, Winchester said:

Looks increasingly likely ravens run a 4-3. Only void would be Weak side lb that can cover. A signing or trade maybe.

It's not a HUGE need considering how often we ran our nickel package last year.  This is the guy who would probably come out for the extra CB.  

I haven't seen talk of a 4-3 anywhere but here (though it sure seems like we drafted for it!).  So I'm not sure if we're a 3-4 team converting to 4-3, or if we're a nickel team that runs 3-4 against the rush.  Or maybe there isn't really a difference.  

7 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Where'd you get that idea? 

2015: Z Smith, Buck Allen, Tray Walker (all 4th round); Nick Boyle (5th); Darren Waller (6th) all made the team. Only 1 pick after the 3rd DIDNT make the team.

2014: Brent Urban, Lorenzo Taliaferro (4th); John Urschel (5th); Keith Wenning (6th); Campanaro (7th) - all made the team in some capacity (I think Wenning went to PS) but even if you dont count that, all but 1 made the team and are STILL on it. 

2013: John Simon, Kyle Juszczyk (4th); Rick Wagner (5th); KLM, Ryan Jensen (6th); Aaron Mellette, Marc Anthony (7th) - All made the team, went on IR or PS and were brought back the following offseason. Most are still on the roster and battling for a starting spot or play a prominant role for another team.

 

If our draft picks, even after the 3rd round, dont make the team THAT would be the anomaly. They're definitely expected to make the team, some make an impact right away, and definitely be making an impact by next year. There's only like 3-4 picks after the 3rd round from the last 3 years that aren't still on the team.

 

I know we have a very good record after the third round, that's one thing I really like about our front office.  (It also makes me wonder why we get so uptight about the first three, but anyway).    But I know it's not supposed to go that way.  The later the round, the less likely the prospect in general.   6 or 7 post-3rd guys in one year would be high, even for us.  But that's partly because nobody has had that many 4th round picks before.  So that's intriguing to me.  Even if we've come to expect it, it's different than the rest of the world, and downright unique this year.  

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

hes an often forgotten guy... but i like it.

If all he does is replace what Upshaw did for us thats a win. If he can be more dynamic and offer something in the pass rush department - its a home run. Definitely excited to see if he'll take a big step forward.

I think it might be the other way around.  He won't be quite the run defender Upshaw was, but his pass rush could soon be comparable to McPhee.  

Wait... are you guys talking about the same guy?   I'm pretty sure I know who Regz is talking about.  It's weird we can't say his name because there's no way he's getting drafted in this league!

Well, there's a lot of overlap with your own post.  But I'm excited to see which of the late draft picks catch on.  I know anyone drafted after the 3rd round isn't really expected to start, or even make the roster.  But guys like Moore, Young, Judon, Ochi, Reynolds, Henry, and Dixon make me think we break that mold.  This was either an incredible draft, or we're about to see a lot of heartbreak.  

3 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

I think I speak for all of Ravens nation when I say watching him pick us off on that last drive was pretty terrible. 

See?  It's for the good of humanity.   Though now I wonder if I can find a pic of all my defenders doing something bad to Brady/Edelman.  

5 minutes ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

As a divisional opponent of yours with Tom Brady and Julian Edelman on my roster, I'm not a fan of that picture...

I was going to use the one vs. the Ravens.  I guess you drew the short straw.  

8 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

I lost it here... Well played lol

New team name?  I'm thinking new team name.  

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd be a bit hesitant with a Cover 1, but he's got pretty solid range and knows where to place himself. He's one of the more well rounded safeties in the league with a willingness to even come up and pop the run game.

My linebackers are pretty good in coverage (and there's probably worse strong safeties than Burnett).  And like I said, my CBs can press to disrupt the timing.  A quality nickel and one more pass rusher on my line will seal the deal.  But yeah, I think I can get away with Cover 1.  Basically it's a race to see if I can break up the play before multiple targets get to Stewart.  

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I felt the same way with the guards as you did with the tackles, but with how much guards and centers have thinned out, I had to take the chance.

Urschel is an interesting one to me because he's got excellent technique and leverage, but he's not overly quick or athletic. Really played well at guard, but struggled at center. I'm curious to see if he regains that rookie form or not because he was a really nice surprise.

The math guru isn't terribly athletic, but knows all about levers and torque.  Sounds about right.  

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

 

I don't like Maxwell because I felt like the scheme over there in Seattle just does wonders for their defensive backs and having Earl Thomas as a safety net is a huge plus. However, with Stewart, I expected him to play about how he did when he was here in Baltimore, which was well, but not enough to make fans forget about Ed Reed.

Honestly, Stewart was really in an unfair position because the Ravens went from Reed to having a certain first round pick back there and I think fans were just so desperate for great safety play again that they unfairly threw Stewart under the bus. In Denver, though, that pass rush and those corners were a huge help and he really played exceedingly well. I don't think he's as good as he was in Denver last year, but I do think what he did in Baltimore was much better than he's given credit for and that's about where I'd expect him on any given day.

I think in any other fan base, Stewart would have been long gone by now.  

That is exactly my goal with Maxwell and Stewart, so I'm glad you mentioned it.  Earl Thomas is obviously a better safety than Stewart, I'm not trying to say they're equals.  But I do think Stewart can handle a Cover 1, a Robber 1 so Burnett can run free, and a press Cover 3.   So I took the two best press CBs I could find.  I do NOT have a Legion of Boom, more like a Squad of Pop.  But I'm trying to mimic that design.  "Baby Boomers" if you will.   But that's how I intend to get Maxwell back up to his Seattle performance.  

I think Miami is going to use him the same way I am.   Press in Cover 1 and let Reshad Jones roam freely (I wanted Jones, I'm fine with Burnett).  So I looked past last year to guesstimate his trajectory.  

1 minute ago, Dubs said:

Not sure why there was a neg on Darian Stewart, had to plus 1 that pick. I think Ravens fans are a little irked with him as he did not do too much he, but he was a key cog for Denver's pass D and fit perfectly there. He really was not in the best situation here to thrive, hopefully that changes with Weddle and some health in the secondary now

Thanks.  Between his season here, and then that timely pick against us in the playoffs, I was expecting a few negs.   But we're on the same page:  this wasn't the best situation for him.  His work in Denver is closer to his true level. (I used the same logic with Byron Maxwell if anyone is curious).  

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I know I didn't get top of the line guards that can get out there (a big knock on Jones is he doesn't get to the second level consistently), but I feel I at least got elite (or potentially elite) level play from my tackles and center.

I definitely agree with that.  And with Luck, it makes sense to build that much edge protection first.  

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

They're all a quality fit in the ZBS and Miller is pretty much a consummate one cut and go back.

So that's a yes, then.  Fair enough.  For all the high picks I would have looked for a little more athleticism.  But it sounds like you're executing your plan.  That's what really matters.

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Site is being really salty about letting me upload a picture, but I know have a line of 

Beachum-Zuttah-Frederick-B.Jones-Schraeder for Luck and Miller. Think that's an improvement over what they did have?

Luck, yes.  Miller not so much.   Seems like you really hate pull blocking.  

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Nothing against any of the picks that were just made because the positions have really thinned out, but seeing guys like Urschel, Massie, and Robinson go makes me REALLY glad that I grabbed offensive lineman early.

Massie will be fine for a league like this.  Even if he doesn't build on the improvements he made last year, I can still put a veteran RG next to him to help with pass blocking.   He'll definitely be a big asset for my run blocking.  I think he's a good fit for a team with Cam Newton; he's got more upside than Mike Remmers, Cam's actual right tackle.  

With the 387th pick, the Lumberjacks select....




Bobby "You Can't Sleep Here" Massie, Right Tackle  

With the 382nd pick, the Lumberjacks select.....

Darian Stewart, FS

Gilchrist was going to be my next pick.  I guess I should have taken him last round.  Not going to lie, that one hurts.