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I just want one person on this board to tell me that they truely believe Humphrey was the best pick available. I challenge ANYBODY to tell me that with a straight face. I am ready for Decosta to start pulling the strings 

I can't believe y'all like this signing more than if we got Mo. Ozzie been talking all off season about adding playmakers, instant coffee, etc. Carr is not a playmaker! This whole thread keeps repeating how great it is that he is reliable and not an injury risk. Why does that matter if this guy doesn't make plays when on the field? He has had like 2 picks over the last 3 years! At least Mo had talent and upside, Carr is old and you know exactly what you are going to get which is average. But it's cool because he will "stay on the field". That 6 mil a year could have gone to King Dunlap to fix the line and then take a corner in the draft since it's such a deep class! This and the Woodhead signing were wasted money imo. 

I would be ecstatic if we moved on from Pees and promoted Leslie Frazier. I think he would be a fantastic D coordinator for us

I think Harbaugh is a terrific head coach. There is only one Bill Belicheck and we don't have him. After that you can make a case any number of guys (Harbaugh included) are in that second group of really good coaches. Is he a defensive or offensive mastermind? No. Does he rely on his coordinators more than most other coaches because of this? Yes. However, it is indisputable that the man is a fantastic leader who gets his guys to compete and play hard every single Sunday. His guys never give up and despite playing teams who are far more talented, we rarely get blown out and always look like we belong. As a fan I cannot ask for much more than for my squad to have a chance to win each and every week.

our draft class this year brought a nice influx of talent that produced on the field and played a role in upping our win total from 5 to at least 8 and hopefully 9. FACT. This allows Oz, Eric, John and co. The opportunity to repeat this year and hopefully build on next year. If we miss the playoffs again then we may need to reassess.

One final thing. Most of my fam is from Philly and this fan base is starting to remind me of the way Eagles fans constantly complained about Reid despite his success. Look where they are now that they fired him. Look where the Chiefs are with him. 

Bottom line is this season was a step in the right direction and with John Harbaugh we have it better than at least 80% of this league. Our fans would be wise to remember that and be thankful for what we do have.

3 hours ago, ALI624 said:

Did anyone see on the Red Zone channel that Perriman was clocked at over 20 mph, the fastest of the day.

From somebody who ran track in college, Perriman may be the fastest person in the league currently. My eyes about popped out of my head watching how quickly he accelerated after catching the ball. He looks like he is plodding because his stride is silly efficient and he relaxes his upper body for maximum efficiency (i.e. No misused energy). Watch Usain Bolt run and tell me Perriman doesn't look similar. When Bolt runs you might think he's going slow because his legs don't look like they are moving that fast until you remember how tall he is and see how quickly he leaves very fast people behind. Perriman made those guys yesterday look like they took bad angles. They didn't. The kid is that quick. 

10 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yea I was listening to a radio interview Owen Daniels did and he was asked about the difference between a Flacco led offense and Manning. He said that Peyton was given more freedom to change things within the offense and Joe wasn't. Now I don't know if it's because the Ravens don't truly trust Flacco, which I find hard to believe or they just don't want a Nascar type offense but it's frustrating at times. 

I love that mentality from Flacco as well. He came out a few years back and was like just put the ball in my hands during the game and allow me to stand before the media and answer questions of why things did or didn't work after the game. That's what you want imo. There has been times when Flacco has voiced his opinion about the tempo of the offense and the coaches listened, I wish they would more. 

How is that hard to believe? Flacco should not be given close to the same type freedom Peyton Manning has. That's laughable. Look at his play over the last 2 years. What has he done to earn more trust? He has just as many bonehead plays as he does brilliant ones. I think his play the last 2 games has been trending up though so I'm hopeful that continues  

52 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Hey. How about we stop with these negative thread names for good games? Promoting a toxic atmosphere for posters to feel like they HAVE to complain rather than coming in here and saying "good job nice win". Its annoying.

Maybe if we did more good things than bad things in a game this season against any opponent other than the browns, but this team doesn't make it easy to heap praise on like you are suggesting 

I thought Flacco played pretty well today. Seems the last 2.5 games his play has been trending up which bodes well for us. Hopefully we get Wallace more involved next game and keep looking at Perriman too.

The bad: our offensive line is so bad. People on this board love to talk how great Stanley is, but he has shown me absolutely nothing this year. Yanda looks like a shell of his former self, hoping he gets a bit healthier down the stretch because we will need him. Ducasse, Wagner and Zuttah are trash and should be cut next year. 

Ugly: every pass rusher other than Sizzle. We get zero pressure, it's embarrassing

31 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And the Cam Cameron offense had better personnel to be better with.

What a radical concept... players that actually play football and don't stand on the sidelines have a more pronounced effect on on-field performance. What a revolutionary concept.

Hahahahaha. I would take SSS, Wallace, Pitta and Perriman anyday over Boldin, Torrey, Pitta and Jacoby. Don't tell me we don't have the personnel to be better than that offense because that just is not true.

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

.... which doesn't happen that often. If the outcome you're banking the most on is pass interference, then you're making my case for me.

This isn't 2012 anymore. Joe Flacco is NOT doing what you say he is. He's NOT putting the ball in a position where the receiver can make a play on it on throws down field... its arguably one of the biggest negative aspects of his game for the last several years. 

I'm the biggest advocate of attacking down the field as anybody... I'm just not into doing it willy nilly for the heck of it or doing it in obvious situations where another team would expect you to do it. O wow, how creative of you to suggest that a team should throw deep on 3rd and long. Gee, I've never seen a team do that before... how revolutionary.

You probably would have a hard time coming up with a down and distance that you are least likely to complete that throw or even get a penalty on than what you are describing. I have zero interest in throwing deep consistently on 3rd and long, and neither does any good, average, or bad offense in the entire league, because there isn't a single team that does that consistently and is good at it. Not one.

Teams that are effective at taking shots down the field do it more frequently on 1st and 2nd down. 2nd and short is a popular spot to take a shot, as is 1st down on play actions or a bootleg, where you can suck the defense towards the line of scrimmage in order to open up the field.

And you're right... our offensive line nor our offensive players are consistent enough to get us 4 yards/play consistently. So trying the fan logic, a "balanced" attack would involve probably running it on 1st, running it on 2nd, and then throwing deep on 3rd. 

Where I have seen this movie before... (Cam Cameron reference for those that didn't get it)...

And you know what man? That Cam Cameron offense was better than what we are currently putting on the field. You just made my case for me. That offense was extremely frustrating and I'm no way saying that is what I want, but am merely pointing out that at this point it would be an improvement. 

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Perriman is also a rookie who, when we drafted him, was described by everybody as "incredibly raw". 

I mean we could just start throwing it down the field more, except the OL isn't blocking anywhere near consistently enough to be taking a large number of shots down field AND we haven't been overly accurate with the one's we are taking.

I really do hope that the Ravens start throwing it deep down field on 3rd and long. Because we already know what happens... lots of incompletions, the occasional interception, and the rare completion. Basically you're advocating mostly a "punt first" style of football in that regards, because that's what that offense will get you.

As usual, fans are looking at the exact wrong thing when it comes to these third down complaints. Ravens run the same plays every team does... throw it short of the sticks (since every defense is defending the sticks) and get yards after. Dallas did it to us repeatedly yesterday. 

The question you should be asking yourself is... how did we end up in a 3rd and long to begin with? I can tell you two fan-advocated plays that lead to this problem quite often... running the ball for minimal yardage on 1st or 2nd down, and taking a deep shot down the field that falls incomplete on 1st or 2nd down. 

... Or a pass interference call that changes our field position durastically. You seem to forget that we have a QB with a huge arm that can put the ball in a position for the receiver, like BP, to make a huge grab or get this call. Or I mean we could do what you are advocating and keep going with our vanilla offense that doesn't surprise anyone and doesn't consistently move the chains. How after 10 weeks you don't understand that we need chunk plays to get points is beyond me. Our line isn't good enough to consistently block well enough to ensure we get 4 yards every play and are constantly in 3rd and short situations 

48 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Pretty much this. At the end of the day, he's the 4th option on this team in terms of targets for pass catchers. He's clearly behind Steve and Wallace (as he should be at this point), and we always involve TEs in the passing game, and so in this case Pitta is the 3rd option basically. 

Question for the fans... what specific kind of production to you expect the 4th option in ANY Ravens passing attack to produce? I don't even think the player matters at this point. If you're the 4th option, you don't produce in these offenses.

Look at 2013... probably the most "pass happy" offense this team has ever had. The 4th option in that passing game was probably Jacoby... he was 4th on the team in targets (behind Torrey, Marlon Brown and Rice), 4th in receptions and ended up 3rd in yardage.

His average game stat line was roughly 3 catches for 38 yards. That was a prototypical game for a 4th option in a heavy-pass offense. 

Perriman is at about 2 catches for 28 yards currently. Not that much of a difference.

If you want Perriman seeing more targets or producing better, then he's going to have to move up in the depth chart. Does anybody see a reason why he should be playing ahead of Steve or Wallace right now?

Except Perriman is worlds more talented than Jacoby, thus his production should be better. From the fans perspective we have never had a guy with 4.2 speed and built like with a big body like BP is so people are clamoring for him to produce now and honestly I agree he has been pretty disappointing so far. However, he has flashed big time in his limited opportunities so I do think he should start cutting into Pitta and SSS reps. Why we aren't utilizing him to air it out more is beyond me because I would rather see us whiff a few more times taking shots of 15 yards or deeper down the field than these stupid dunk passes to Pitta or Juice 6 yards before the 1st down marker on a 3rd down play. If we took more shots downfield BP would see more opportunities plain and simple 

6 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Are you kidding me? He's been on the IR once in his career and has played two seasons in the NFL. Doctors even said he could have played through this injury and Harbaugh decided to let him sit the year to let him get healthy. And given his injury was a cartilage injury, that was the smart thing to do. You don't mess with that. That was Harbaugh's choice. Not his. And I think it comes back to bite us in the butt later this season because outside of Steve, we don't really have a hands guy I trust. Pitta has under preformed, Wallace is a good weapon but has always had suspect hands, and Perriman's hands are super duper inconsistent. 

 

And as much as I hate to throw an OC under the bus as I usually like to refrain from the blame to coaches style of thinking, TRESTMAN NEVER USED HIM CORRECTLY. He showed progress as a blocker this season and when we threw him the ball last season he looked good. His stat line for a rookie TE was good and it showed, as he showed very good hands and route running last season. He honestly looked like the best recieving TE on the roster last year because Crockett's hands are suspect especially in contested situations(an area Maxx has proven in college he's good at).

 

And to call him injury prone already is hilarious to me considering he missed a grand total of two games last season, and they were non-consecutive, with him being back next week. And Maxx's injury is one Harbaugh said he was fighting before, and could continue to play through. 

“It’s the same thing he’s had,” Harbaugh said when asked about Williams on Monday. “It’s a cartilage issue that he has in there. It’s not something that can be fixed until it’s fixed. The doctors have to tell us what the best course of action is going forward. He can still play. Is it the best thing for him and all of that? We’ll have to figure that out.”(source http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-place-tight-end-maxx-williams-on-injured-reserve-20161007-story.html).

It's a cartalige issue. You let that thing heal to prevent further injury. As much as I hate it, it's the right call. 

I am a believer. I think a lot of his game is similarl to Witten's. Good route runner, good hands, good blocker, good athlete. Not a freak, but a good player. 

Not to mention last season he was one of the youngest players in the NFL because he came out as a redshirt sophomore. 

 

I'm mad that Trestman didn't use him correctly at the beggining of the season, but calling him injury prone is absurd.  And I wouldn't count Boyle out yet. 

 

Even then Crockett is a good TE#2. So he's worth keeping around. 

 

I don't think it's a lost cause. To label a player after two years is a bad idea. Especially someone as young as Maxx was when he was entering the NFL.

Dude Maxx is definitely injury prone, the guy was always on the injury report last year and missed a ton of practice time with various and assorted ailments last year that I think significantly slowed his development. I hope we give him one more year and actually give him a fair shot to win the lions share of our TE snaps next year, but honestly some of the things you are saying about him I'm just not seeing. Great hands? I mean maybe in college, but not really sure you can say that about his NFL career yet. He had 250 yards last year, too small a sample size to say he is this great pass catching TE with phenomenal hands. Good athlete? Wrong again, my man gets NO separation because he is slow as molasses. Speed is something he needs to work on this offseason in my opinion to help him get better separation and compliment his route running. 

I am good rolling the dice with Maxx/Boyle/Waller next year because they are all cheap and if they don't produce hey at least we know we can move on. It's not like our TE's are producing this year so it wouldn't be some big loss. Cut Pitta and Watson, too expensive for too little production. Cut Gilmore, guy is always hurt and isn't very good anyways 

The real dilemma is we don't have a TE on the roster that is actually good. Kind of funny to think back to training camp when everyone on this board was talking a big game about us having the best TE group in football. I would trade the whole lot of our guys for Martelus Bennett in a heartbeat. 

1) Pitta - one good game and has done a disappearing act since. Also can't block to save his life.

2) Gilmore - Always hurt

3) Maxx - Always hurt, but willing to give him another year since we haven't really used him for whatever reason.

4) Waller - special teamer

5) Boyle - Always suspended

6) Watson - Who?? Jk but not really.

Time for our fan base to admit our tight ends are trash. If they weren't they would be having more of an impact this season. Half the time I don't even know if we even have one on the field because they literally bring nothing to the table. Hoping Maxx actually shows up next year to solve this issue 

Oh daddy I can't wait for Sunday! After watching them beat the Steelers last night (and loving it!) I really think we match up great against the Cowboys. They are no Patriots, we can and will win this game. We will hold Zeke under 100 total yards and no touchdowns, our secondary locks down Dez and I think our pass rush makes Dak just uncomfortable enough to make a rookie mistake. I think our D line hits their offensive line in the mouth and lastly and most importantly this is the kind of game that Flacco comes out and looks good seemingly out of nowhere. Steve Smith has over 100 yards and a TD this week and Perriman catches the game winner. I plan on putting my money where my mouth is and taking the Ravens straight up, hoping the moneyline is at least +275 as I expect Vegas to give us no shot in Jerry World with at least a +7 spread. Ravens 27 Cowboys 24 book it!

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Lol. Wow. I see there is no discussion to be had here.

You have nothing to say because you love and adore Stanley. Now if it was Hurst who had 4 penalties, gave up two sacks including a strip fumble, you would be out here screaming for him to be on the streets. I just want you to acknowledge that you are extremely bias because the cold truth is Stanley has not been much better than Hurst this year. I expected more from our number 6 overall pick. I expected to not watch him get dominated by old man Harrison who the Steelers literally picked up at the retirement home on the way to M&T. Stanley made a slow, past his prime 38 year old pass rusher look like an all pro yesterday even though he had no sacks the rest of the season. 

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

wow. Rookie LT, missed 5 weeks, was a stone wall before, faces James harrison, and has a rough first game back. Were 4-0 with him and 0-4 without him and because he has played excellent with only 1 bad game under rough circumstances... 

James Hurst is better though right? I mean Stanley was only being touted as a freaking pro bowl rookie LT before he got injured.

You touted him as that before he got hurt. Please give me a link from a national media source touting him as a pro bowler lol. Also never said Hurst was better, I said he was worse, but not by much. Certainly doesn't hold as much 

6 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Monroe ran himself out of town (and out of the league entirely). That's on him.

2. Actually, we didn't have a consistent running game when Monroe was here. In the whopping 6 games he started in 2015, we averaged 4.0 YPC on the ground. In the 10 without him... 3.7 YPC. Monroe's number was also overinflated by basically one game against the Browns, where we ran for 181 yards and averaged 5.8 YPC. In the other 5 games he started... we averaged 3.6 YPC. 

So our run game changed very little regardless of who played LT for us last season, which is obviously not surprising, because it requires at least five guys blocking well in order to have a successful run game, not just a LT. 

3. Oher had 46 penalties in 5 years, so an average of 9 per year. He never had a four penalty game, but he did have five different three penalty games, none of which came in his rookie season.

4. Stanley had zero penalties against the Browns in week 2. He also only had one against the Bills. He didn't play particularly well against the Jags, and he certainly did not play well yesterday.

It feels just like a one game overreaction to me by some fans. 

I just want people like JoeyFlex5 to stop acting like he is an All-Pro or pro bowler. He isn't even close. You made some good points, but if he has played so well Joe would feel more comfortable and that hasn't been the case since he always has pressure in his face and is throwing off his back foot. Direct impact of the line not doing their job well.

On the positive side, if the D keeps playing like that. The O just needs to do a bit better and we should get on a roll. Hopefully we destroy the Browns and get the offense hitting on a few more cilinders going forward 

10 minutes ago, DenverRaven said:

You do realize we'd have no LT right now, right? Like, we'd literally have Hurst out there every game.

The negs are because you don't seem to understand how hard LT is to pick up. The fact that Stanley is out there starting, with a rookie LG next to him is pretty much unheard of. The Ravens were the first team to start a rookie at LT and LG in 25 years. They aren't prefect? Whine harder, because otherwise you get Hurst as a permanent fixture. He also missed the last 4 games with an injury. Pretty sure an 80% Stanley is still better than Hurst.

We would have a left tackle if we hadn't run Monroe out of town. Yeah he got hurt all the time, but when he was out there we actually had a consistent running game and he wasn't flagged for holding every other series. 

This wasnt 1 game, Stanley has been penalized every game he has played this year at least once. Our running game is majorly inconsistent and Flacco looks uncomfortable every time he drops back. These are all direct impacts of how poorly our line is, particularly the left tackle position. Yeah Hurst is definitely worse, but at this point not by much. I certainly haven't ever seen Hurst, Oher or any other line man get penalized FOUR TIMES in one game.

Hes a rookie I get it, I am sure he will get better, but let's not pretend that he isn't absolute trash currently and desperately needs to improve his game. This board acts like he is the 2nd coming of JO and it's laughable 

Y'all loved to crucify Michael Oher when he got penalized, but I don't think he ever got flagged 4 times in one game like Stanley did yesterday, even when he was a rookie for us. We should have traded up for Ramsey or Elliott because Stanley doesn't know how to block without being penalized. When he can even make it on the field he hasn't had a game all year without a penalty. Bring on the negs for frying our golden boy future franchise cornerstone of a left tackle...

Flacco has been pretty bad this year, but I really think it's all a productive of him not feeling comfortable behind an absolutely terrible offensive line anchored by perhaps the worst LT's on any team currently. Ronnie Stanley got absolutely worked by James Harrison who was in Flaccos face all day except when Stanley was too busy holding him to keep him back. Harrison is like 45 years old at this point, that was embarrassing. I would chalk it up to him being rusty, but he got penalized every game before he got injured. The kid is worse the Michael Oher and looks awful out there. Problem is Lewis and Hurst have looked worse at LT then when Stanley was hurt. All this leads Flacco to have a loss of confidence and makes him hear foot steps, rush throws and throw off his back foot. 

1 minute ago, chunkywill25 said:

Stanley gave him enough time. can't blame him

Harrison is having his way with Stanley dude are you watching the game?

And Stanley gives up the sack! Comical! 

Just now, jdynamite said:

Stanley has had several holding penalties yes. But he's not blocking poorly people.   

One of holding penalties was completely reasonable since Harrison would have had strip sack from behind. 

Good linemen don't hold he is so bad!

Just now, reed20 said:

Stanley is good. Stop it.

Dude he is worse than Oher what are you watching!