Purple&Black#20

6 hours ago, Sampurplepain said:

I was praying for a receiver in this draft but since that didn't happen I feel like we should take a chance on Josh Gordon or even a Boldin. What do you guys think the chances are that we pursue Gordon if he's reinstated?  Personally I feel that would make things very interesting next year.

I'm all in with adding Josh Gordon but not Boldin. I'm not saying Boldin wouldn't fit I'll just give Chris Matthews a chance as that big body chain mover. 

2 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

I really liked Damore'ea Stringfellow as well, he's out there

I agree!

I wasn't happy with the pick but he should be a solid corner. He puts me in the mindset of Ike Taylor. Good size and speed and always ready to tackle. Ike was never the best but did well in a zone blitz scheme. 

9 hours ago, SepticeyePoe said:

@BmoreBird22 @rmw10 Could you guys give a breakdown on Humphrey's strengths and weaknesses? 

Great height, weight and speed. Very physical but lacks ball awareness. 

So sad!! Prayers out for the Heap family!!

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Kind of hard to argue Ben is constant. Like most QBs, he struggled quite a bit and was very inconsistent his first 4-5 years in the league, and he definitely isn't putting up the same stats every year.

Can even look recently... 2016 his YPA, YPG and completion percentage were all significantly lower than in the previous few years.

Another fun fact people probably aren't aware of... on a per attempt basis, Ben turns the ball over more than Joe in his career.

With the 4-5 years you are referring to that he was so inconsistent was flacco better than him???? No,No,No! The means at Ben's worst he's still better than y'all lord and savor Flacco! Like Chad Johnson would say....Child please!!!

1 hour ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Not most, we was debating him and Flacco. It's not close!!!!

He said MOST quarterbacks and I said we are debating Ben and Flacco!! Ben does turn the ball over but he wins more games on his shoulders than flacco. Like Chad Johnson would say...Child please!!!

5 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Are you seriously criticizing flacco for the td pass to Jones against Denver on 4th down, after have to step up into the pocket to avoid a sack from dummerville and the preceding to throw it 60 odd yards down the sideline (probably 80 when you take into account trajectory) that beat the 2 deep safeties?

Ha

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I never thought so many people don't understand football. I'm not criticizing anything. I brought up his deep throw accuracy and y'all decided to bring up that play to justify his accuracy. Anybody who knows football knows the safety miss judge the pass but only a Flacco lover would say it was a great pass. It was luck!! LIke Chad Johnson would say.. Child please!!!! Ha ha ha at yourself!!!!

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Kind of hard to argue Ben is constant. Like most QBs, he struggled quite a bit and was very inconsistent his first 4-5 years in the league, and he definitely isn't putting up the same stats every year.

Can even look recently... 2016 his YPA, YPG and completion percentage were all significantly lower than in the previous few years.

Another fun fact people probably aren't aware of... on a per attempt basis, Ben turns the ball over more than Joe in his career.

Not most, we was debating him and Flacco. It's not close!!!!

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Which allowed us to sign other key players, like Elvis Dumervil.

2. Was basically something he did for only one season. Go back to the stats. Torrey was not a PI machine for the overwhelming majority of his team here, and hasn't been since. Very, very lazy analysis by the fanbase on that one.

3. Of course they stopped and waited... you're talking 50+ yard throws in the air. There's only a handful of QBs in the league that can even throw it that far. The SB throw he basically throws it off one leg. 

This ain't Madden folks. Its real life.

Superbowl throw on 1 leg but what about the Denver game. Dumervill had 1 good season.  Torrey has been released by the 49ers not because he's old but because he's not a #1. Like Chad Johnson would say....Child please!!!

4 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I disagree that Big Ben is on a whole higher level. He plays at a higher level because he has probably the best running back in the league, a top 3 wide receiver in the league, and a better o-line. This team has seen what Flacco can do when he has the right weapons. Not many quarterbacks will suceed in an offense that uses routes that primarily rely on YAC when their best target is a 37 year old coming off of an achilles injury, a running back who was cut by the Browns and a rookie running back that was injured almost half the year, and a guy who breaks his hips whenever he turns upfield and falls to the turf when he catches the ball.

I'm glad Marty is returning at OC that brings at least some level of continuity. With that said, they need to take more deep shots. That is Flacco's strength. Stop it with the curls and screens we do not have the personnel to do that. The offense needs some weapons and some protection.

As much as I want to hate on Flacco any level headed fan would agree that a lot is out of his control. He has played at a lower level the last couple years but you definitely cannot put most the blame on him.

Ben has Brown and Bell now!!! He has had his days of not having a OL and still produce. Ben has put up constant numbers once he became the starting quarterback. Ben is a hall of fame quarterback hands down. Can't say the same for Flacco. When they beat Arizona Bell or Brown wasn't there. When they lost to the Packers Brown was a rookie playing kick return. Level headed???? Guess you're not to keep making excuses from him. It's very dumb to say Flacco is better than Ben but right now today we can Ben is going into the hall of fame. 

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Um, did you just start reading on this forum?  The forum basically exploded when he was traded.  Q has never had short-comings when it comes to credit for the SB win, I don't know what you have been reading. 

I disagree about his deep ball, him and torrey had a pretty damn good connection, but torrey lacked ability to adjust to the ball.  And there was only a few times I can recall when a player had to come back to the ball with Joe, like the two 60 yard passes to Jacoby in the playoff run and to be fair, they were 60+yarders lol

Me saying Boldin didn't get the credit is not saying from us but the organization! He was only due 6 million and was traded. All him a Torrey really racked up pass interference calls! Go look at the film, and the passes to Jacoby in the Denver and superbowl game was like catching punts! He stop and waited! What are you watching!!!

4 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Dude, Flacco isn't worth the farm. QBs that command multiple round1 picks can carry a terrible offense to top10 in the league. And young QBs thought to have the potential to do that eventually. Joe is coming off consecutive bad years and 3 outa 4 at 32 yrs old I believe? Joe wouldn't even bring as much as Garappolo because of what hottest trend is. And be realistic. Joe is not as good as Rivers.

Joe is cut and dry. He can make any throw with accuracy. IF he is protected and allowed to set and throw. Joe is slower at looking over his targets than the elite QBs. But can make similar throws if he can look set and throw comfortably. Evidenced by his most failed completions. Joe doesn't have confidence in his own skills to mske a hurried decision and sling it from an awkward position. So he takes the easy glorified handoff aka a checkdown throw.

Im not bashing Joe. All I'm saying is he can do what the elite QBs can do if our offensive line dominates. Joe doesn't even need elite weapons as long as he is allowed to feel comfortable looking over his weapons, set and throw from upright uncompromising position. Give Joe Flacco good No.2 WRs and a dominating line. And he is an elite QB that will put up 30 plus TDs and 5000 yards or close to it!! He can place a laser like a prime Manning and Bree's. As well as  Roethlisberger Ryan and Brady. However he is a little behind those gunslingers when he is feeling consistently hurried.

It is no surprise Joe played his best version quarterback when we picked up Mckinnie and Ray got his fellow hurricane working hard and playing well. And he held down the left tackle position. And allowed the dominant offensive line players to play at their best positions. The offensive line dominated and Joe played the best quarterback of his career. Bottom line when Joe is hurried and not comfortable he plays like a bottom 10 QB. When he is allowed to carefully look through his weapons. Then comfortably set and throw from comfortable upright position he is one of the best. And can sling it and make wow throws with the best QB's in the league. Joe throws as beautiful a football as there is in the league. He needs to feel comfortable moreso than his elite peers.

Which is reason so many were upset at the Brandon Williams contract while letting our offensive line players walk. Give us back Wagner and Osemele and our offensive line is the best there is in the league. It is better than Cowboys even.

I agree with what you said but to add to that he NEEDS a security blanket. Q doesn't get as much credit as he should of helping win the superbowl. Joe has the talent but he's to inconsistent. He's not on Ben's level, Cam I can see where there's a debate. As a passer Joe, what the quarterback brings Cam. Flacco really needs to work on his deep ball. He puts to much air under throws like a high school quarterback. 90% of your deep ball throws shouldn't be jumpballs when your receiver has a step.He's throwing to the player and not to a spot. Shotgun, he's a better passer playing out of shotgun than under Center. Joe can't read defenses that well. He processing the defense a little better when he's in shotgun looking over the line during pre-snap. Caldwell knew this! Kubiak run scheme help him as well. Joe seemed very comfortable because we ran first passed second. When he's on its a beautiful thing to watch. If somehow we can make him believe he's playing the Patriots every week we'll see a better Joe. 

If Webb was the 15 ranked safety out of 64 then you would think teams would of been happy of his release. Jumped all over him but they didn't.  Did he do his job...yes!!! He didn't let the ball go over his ( kept everything in front) head. He's 12 - 15 yards off the ball. If he's so great, left as a starter and come back as a back up! Okay,  will Webb make a impact on special? He is to injury prone. I'm done and hope I'm wrong!

26 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Did you not watch Webb last year?  He was a quality starter who made a huge difference for us.  He might not have been a playmaker but he played smart, solid football.  Getting him back as depth is a no brainer.

Huge difference? Weddle was the difference in the secondary. The reason you saying he played solid was because how awful Kendrick Lewis was. Yes, he didn't make the same bone head plays like him but I don't think we'll miss him at all. I want the old Ravens  defense back, fast physical and tuff. Nobody fears us anymore!! 

28 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Would be difficult to sign Swearinger, given that he's under contract with the Redskins...

And depth players are mostly average players by definition. If they were significantly better than average, then they probably wouldn't be depth... they'd be starters.

Feel free to point me in the direction of a team that has a really good third safety. There's more teams that don't even have one good safety than there are teams with 3 good one's.

Thanks for that update on swearinger. I appreciate that. Has Webb visited any teams? Do you ask yourself why he's still available on the market? Because only you and Ravens wants him. Webb at his best was a slot corner mirroring guys like Wes Welker. Is Darius Byrd still available because take him at safety depth over webb any day. The 2016 Kansas city Chiefs had like 4 safeties that's why they almost let Berry walk.

32 minutes ago, mc_red23 said:

Is Canady not a corner? Webb will provide safety depth.

He is listed as a corner just like Webb was listed 1 year ago. Webb came out of college as a safety but we played him at corner so what's your point. Y'all keep screaming depth and holding on to average players. Why not sign D.J Swearinger if that's all we looking for.  At least he brings an attitude. Webb was best at a slot corner covering guys like Wes Welker. That time has come and gone. 

Move on from Webb. We are drafting a corner in the first 3 rounds anyway and need to give younger guys like Canady more playing time. 

3 hours ago, Edgar said:

Nfl network replaying Christmas vs. Steelers right now.

Flacco is masterful in this game. This is the standard by which he should be measured. This is what he's capable of and it needs to happen more routinely .

 

Did you catch first quarter? He missed a easy touchdown pass to perriman. It should of been thrown to the corner but behind him as usual. 

4 minutes ago, AnthonyGames said:

Mangold is visiting Ravens!

I just saw that!! Some good news. 

I can't say that I'm mad at the move because I don't feel like we was getting the most out of him anyway. That's not Jernigan's fault just the scheme we run. He's a natural  4-3 linemen and should have 8-10 sacks this year playing next to Cox. People keep saying his play slowed down the second half of the season the last 2 years. That's because he's doubled  70% of the time. That wears you down. He did what he was asked, wish him well. I'm not sure what direction we are heading as an organization but a raven for life.

48 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ravens have some young talent that could be primed for a breakout. Some of the guys we drafted in the last 2 years are the future of this team. We have perriman, maxx, Davis, ZDS, correa, kaufusi, Judon, young, Lewis, Dixon, Henry, pierce, Wesley, nembot, Moore, all guys who really decide the fate of the franchise. 

My personal choice for the breakout star player, maybe not a huge impact guy right away but by the end of the year he could be well on his way to being a household name, is Matt Judon. He showed some wisdom beyond his years on the field, he's an NFL ready body, got some NFL ready technique, and his only shortcoming is burst and stamina, 2 things that can be improved through the same means. Let Judon do some more NFL conditioning and he could gain a step and keep that motor going for 4 quarters and he will be a beast. He's a 3 down OLB and he's getting his shot now with doom being gone. 

Who is your breakout guy for this year?

Perriman! He's in a starting roll and should get between 7 and 10 targets a game. I would say Waller if he was a starter. Flacco is a better passer between the numbers and with he's size and speed would be a mismatch for any Linebacker or Safety. 

I would like Muhammad Wilkerson from the Jet's  if any of this is true. 

10 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

I'm not sure how anyone can make the argument that Joe Flacco is elite. Unless you are John Clayton or the other clowns in the media that believe there are 15 elite QB's in this league. 

One would have to put a percentage on what elite actually is or a number. Is he top 5? Heck no? Top ten? I'd say ehhh. I would probably rank him around 11-13. But I'd also argue that the elite QB's in this league are the top 5 or so.

I agree 

3 hours ago, berad said:

Ah, so that's the rub.

I won't excuse it, he missed some throws he should make. He made some sloppy interceptions, too. Those hurt us, especially early in the season where we lost some winnable games.

However, he did play markedly better down the stretch. From Week 9 (Thursday vs Cleveland) to the penultimate Pittsburgh game, through those 7 weeks, he put up 14 TDs to 7 INTs, 280+ yds/game, a 94.7 passer rating, and his 6.9 yards/attempt was at his career average. Through those 7 weeks, we also won 4,  losing to Dallas, New England, and Pittsburgh. That's respectable but the teams' and his floundering in the middle of the season kept us from the playoffs.

Flacco didn't play any better those last 7 weeks, he has done what he normally  does. Every year snitch  the day we drafted him. He'll have between 1-3 games a season where he looks like a top 5 quarterback in the league and turn around the next week and stink up the place. Those last 7 games he played two of his best games all season. Against Cleveland (3 td's 2 int) who owns the top pick in the draft and only won a game last season. The other was Miami where he threw for 4 TD's and 1 int. Flacco threw 20 td's to 15 INT's last year. He almost average 1 int a game. Most of his picks are just bad throws and not a guy just making a play on the ball. Only consistency he has showed was he'll throw 10 plus picks a year. Hate me for telling the truth and here are some numbers for you....