1 minute ago, usmccharles said:Haha ok man, have fun with that. Wallace just had his best season in years. If you are going to rely on Moore to do anything, I really want whatever your dirnking. Im not falling in love with Wallace, he produced...I like production, pretty simple. Lets make BP the #1 option....sounds like a great idea.
You're falling in love with players man. That's the problem. Just because a player gives you 70 catches in a season where our offense was atrocious, doesn't mean he's the best option for you going forward. We've learned that already with Aiken. Who else was going to catch balls back there? Flacco was slinging that thing recklessly all season. Wallace was brought in to be a deep threat, but was catching all of Flaccos 8 yard throws short of the markers. Was Wallace a dynamic wideout out there? He has 2-3 really good games. Give Perriman 120 targets and he'll come down with 60% of them and 4 TD's.
4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:You want to go into the offseason with Aiken, BP, Moore as our top WRs? that's a disaster waiting to happen. I never thought id see this fan base want to cut a WR that hit 1k yards in a season where our offense was terrible. He clearly still has plenty of game left.
2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:And we don't even have Aiken, so really just BP, Moore, Mayle, and Kenny Bell. That's why I don't think people are actually thinking when it comes to Wallace. You need to add to him, not subtract him.
Yep. I'm going into the offseason with Perriman, Moore, Camp and our TE crew.... and looking to add from there. Wallace is a big name, sure. But we don't need him. There's a reason Wallace keeps jumping teams. He's a deep threat and not much else. We already have fast wideouts. We need better play calling and schemes to get those guys open. Look at what other teams are doing... The Pats come in and scheme up deep routes for players we never heard of before. You watch other teams play one another, and young players are going deep. It's more on the play calling and scheme, rather than recycling these big name vets like Wallace and DJax. You can fall in love with players like Wallace all you want... If I'm Harbs, I'm moving on from him and getting Perriman and Moore out there with Flacco and the new OC.
Sometimes a new voice is needed. I'd remove Marty and Pees from their coordinator positions. Time for younger new minds on both sides of the ball.
The main UFA's I'd try and work out a deal with are: Juice, Wagner and Guy.
Players I'd move on from are: Wallace, Mallet, Doom, Wright, Webb and Powers.
Some other stuff on my To-Do list:
- I'd start thinking about new deals for Orr and Jernigan, pending they continue to develop next season.
- Commit to Dixon being the feature back next season.
- Focus my draft around the offensive line, pass rush and defensive backs. Ideally, the 16th pick is a top notch pass rusher, and the later rounds are focused around the offensive line and secondary.
- Flacco needs to spend time this summer with Perriman, Camp, Moore and Maxx. He needs to be on the same pages with these guys. Their development is crucial and I believe in each one of them.
- Speaking of the receiving core, I'd enter free agency looking to acquire a sure handed chain moving WR. I'm a Garcon fan, but that's just tossing a name out there. I don't think Mike Wallace is the guy this team needs.
- Suggs should be allowed to end his career with Baltimore next season. Any ideas of playing beyond that, he'll have to take his talents elsewhere. Although, I don't want him to be depended on so heavily to get after the QB as he was this season. Hopefully with the new DC and draft class, this won't be the case.
- I love Pitta and there's a spot for him on this team. But at the same time, I think we need more playmaking at the TE position. It's a big offseason for Maxx.
I have hope for Perriman. He's young and can continue to develop. I'm not a fan of bringing Mike Wallace back. I'd rather give those deep routes to Perriman and Moore... and acquire a sure handed chain mover. Wallace is not going to fight for a first down catch in a critical moment of the game. If Flacco doesn't drop it perfectly in his lap, then it's an incomplete. And lately, that's asking a lot of Flacco.
Tough one here. I think he is and can continue to be a really effective wideout when used properly. Really good possession receiver, can help move the chains, and more often than not he'll impress you with his strength and hands. But he's not much of a playmaker... not fast and doesn't get the best seperation (something Joe needs), some noticeable drops... and we have young guys who can probably be the same or better given the time.
5 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:Honestly, the only positions we DON'T need are LT, QB and ILB. We might really be taking bpa in the first round.
QB
RB
LT
RG
ILB
DT
FS
... every other position needs to be closely examined and addressed this summer.
15 hours ago, MadStorkSociety said:Agree with a lot but don't think you can say Oz blew up the SB team. As i recall a lot of people retired, or left for big money.
Ray retired.
Reed proved to be done.
Ellerbe, Kruger and Cary all priced themselves out of Baltimore.
Pollard and Boldin were both questionable releases looking back at it. But Pollard seemed to clash with Harbs, and with Boldin not taking a paycut, Ozzie put too much trust in Pitta and Torrey. I didn't hate either move at the time. But hindsight is 20/20.
Adding Huff was a disaster. We did manage to sign Doom who had a good year or 2 before hitting a wall. And Daryl Smith was really solid. You couldn't have predicted what happened to Ray Rice. Torrey eventually priced himself out of Baltimore as well. Pitta got hurt. Jimmy can't stay healthy. We never added good young corners since the super bowl. We thought we had something in Melvin, until Brady showed otherwise. Forsett had a big year thanks to Kubiak. Speaking of him, Kubiak added a great dimension to our offense. But of course that leads to him getting the Broncos job. We did draft 2 time Pro Bowler CJ Mosley. Brandon Williams is a monster.
Basically... there is a lot to the story of the Ravens since our super bowl. But it's been 4 years since then, and it's been 3 missed playoff apparences. If there were ever a time for bold changes to be made, it would be this summer. Clean up the roster. Players like Doom, Wright and Webb all need to be upgraded for faster younger talent. Perriman needs to spend all summer on the Juggs and be ready to be the top WR we drafted him to be. Maxx Williams needs to step up. Dixon needs to be ready to be the feature back. Spend money on cleaning up the offensive line. Draft pass rushers.....
... and last but not least... bring in some coordinators with new ideas to shake things up a bit. Pees and Marty have both run their course. A change doesn't mean you've been awful... it means we have peaked as a team with you. And it's time to try something new.
16 hours ago, rmw10 said:One of my biggest issues with Marty is the check down offense. Now, some of it is on Flacco for going through his reads far too quickly, but there are a ton of first reads that are a max of 2-3 yards down the field and then that player is expected to keep a drive going. It's burned us so many times and there's been no change. Flacco's numbers might look fine in a nutshell, but there's no reason a guy throwing as much as he is a game should be just over 4000 yards. That's all because of this dink and dunk offense that started with Trestman. You can make the argument that it is Trestman's playbook and Marty hasn't had too much time to implement his own offense, but there are other plays in his playbook. I mean, in the game yesterday, on 1st and 20 after the holding penalty, Marty called a designed screen to Steve Smith out of the backfield that went for -2 yards. Those are the types of plays that have killed this team all year, and there's been no improvement.
Otherwise, Marty has been terrible at situational football. Even ignore the "all time worst play call," you still have multiple instances of him just making poor decisions. Going back to the Steve Smith screen from yesterday, we had just come off of Dixon barreling through guys and picking up great yardage run after run. The penalty hurt and it's no one's fault but Zuttah, but why would Marty not keep the momentum going there? Run the ball and pick up a decent chuck of yardage. Instead, he calls a ridiculous screen play that clearly wasn't going to work. It's just a dumb decision. That play probably earned a pass because of the fact that is was a good game for him otherwise, but these types of decisions have plagued us all year, whether it be him or Trestman. His red zone play calling has just been awful, and a lot of that comes down to poor decisions.
You know me well and you know I'll own up to it if I'm wrong, but I'd be shocked if Marty isn't the first one relieved of his duties (assuming Harbaugh sticks) after the season. I've seen absolutely no reason to believe he should stay. As I mentioned in the other thread, I think it's a commitment to the status quo and does nothing but hold our team back, or stagnant at best. Other than the fact that he seems to like to pass 50 times a game, his play calling has been archaic and shows no innovation. I don't need trick plays. I just need something that isn't a screen or a 4 yard curl on a more consistent basis.
As far as who I would bring in, I honestly couldn't tell you. I don't think we need or should go for a Chip Kelly innovator type of guy either, but we need something in between. The NFL has been changing and we've been behind the curve for awhile now. It's time to get beyond that curve, and I don't think Marty is the guy to do that.
At some point you need to put more of this on the players and less on the coaches.
45 minutes ago, rmw10 said:There's absolutely no way this should even be in consideration.
Marty being brought back? You think we bring in a new coordinator next season?
.... nvm .. somehow missed your other posts.
11 minutes ago, RavensRegime said:Time to clean house...
Wallace
SSS (retire)
Wright
Webb
Suggs (retire or cut)
Doom
... all need to be gone. Time to rebuild the WR, secondary and pass rushing group. You have pieces to start building the o-line. I love the LB'er tandem in Orr and Mosley. You need a ball hawker beside Weddle. Completely rebuild the wideout group. Wallace provides little if he's not catching deep balls. We need sure handed chain movers. Dixon needs to be the feature back. Enough of this 2 back rotation. You can't count on Jimmy to play a full season or suit up for big games, so corners are a huge need.
Some pretty weak offensive play calling in the redzone is what did us in. Tough.
48 minutes ago, rmw10 said:Agreed. I think it's an awful call, but Marty didn't throw that INT, Joe did. If Joe had completed it, we might be singing a different tune. Regardless, it was an awful decision all the way around.
Yes! And that's my problem. Harbaugh is quick to point out the awful playcall.... but ignores the ridiculously awful throw there by our veteran QB.
Ok.. Now that the dust has settled and the emotion has leveled out....
1. We won the game. We came in knowing that we needed to win out in order to make the playoffs. 1 down, 2 to go.
2. Beautiful throw by Flacco to end the first half, finding SSR for 6. That's the Flacco we all know and love.... and miss.
3. Too many rookie mistakes from Joe. Sounds like a broken record each and every week, but sheesh. I knew coming into the season we had to be patient with him coming off his injury (even Brady took a bit to find his groove after the injury) but we are 14 games in now. It's all between the ears at this point.
4. I wish Harbaugh would have said "Worst play call AND worst throw of all time" regarding that redzone INT. Would be nice to hold the 120 million man accountable as well.... like he does with other players and coaches.
5. As said in every post, the run defense was awful. The play calls seemed to be geared towards attacking the QB rather than stuffing the run. Not a good sign with L.Bell up next.
6. Whenever we have a 7 or 10 point lead, we always fail to put the nail in the coffin and score to put teams away. It's always a punt or turnover which allows teams to stick around and make it go down to the wire. It's frustrating.
7. Nice to see the run game get going. Keep handing it off!!
8. Next week without Jimmy is going to be super tough. Like super duper tough.
9. SSR looks worn out and unhappy out there. Hate to see his career end like this. Hopefully he does retire though. Next season won't be any easier.
10. I.Love.Tucker.
11 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:
Can't have it both ways lol. Either you hold onto the ball and wait for things to develop or you get the ball out quick to avoid pressure being an issue.
I'm cool with check downs. I know what happens when Joe slings the ball.......
Eagles show little respect for our offense right there by going for it.
6 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:No one is open.
Then throw it at someones feet or check it down. Can't just sit back there and take the sack leaving us out of FG range.
3 minutes ago, ludy51 said:BLOCK FOR HIM
Flacco has to throw the ball quick. He can't just sit back there as the pocket collapses around him.
One thing we've struggled with is expanding on leads... A TD would be huge.
When it's all said and done... Flacco will have 20+ TD's and 4,000+ yards. Maybe one of his better statistical seasons. Weird eh.
Just now, Grapple Raven said:Right, last I looked this was a 60 min. ball game, lol.
60 minutes hasn't been enough usually this season.
3 minutes ago, robbie29 said:Yep, we need 12 yards so let's throw a 5-yard pass and settle for the FG.
Better than a 13 yard attempt getting picked off.
The offensive nightmare continues...
57 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:I'm not crowning Big Ben however, he is overrated, I'll take Joe over Ben any day.
Whoa.
27 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:Yeah I mean I suppose you can't really definitively prove or disprove whether they were able to replace a certain player. Though in a macro sense, they have the ability to move on from a seemingly key part of their team and still appear to be just as good on the football field, even if its not specifically at that position.
Right. I edited my post to include " And maybe their replacements don't produce just as much, but the team doesn't take a hit because of it.... That's probably a better way of stating it "
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Not saying you're wrong. I just disagree. I don't think our offense can really take a step back from this previous season. If it wasn't for the name on the jersey, I don't think many people would be impressed with Wallace this season, and given the same opportunity, I'm sure Perriman can give you the same production, stats, eye test, etc.