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Harbs looks uneasy with this press conference.

I think Flacco has the arm strength and puts his wideouts in a position to make a play on the ball. He's great at it. But I wouldn't call him the most accurate though. Torrey was great at adjusting to find the ball and doing what was needed to make a play or draw the PI call. I don't see that in Mike Wallace. You need to drop that ball exactly where he needs it to be for him. Something Flacco isn't the best at..... even more so now. I live around a bunch of Raven haters. Yes, it's depressing and stressful at times. But what they always say is that Flacco "drops back, closes his eyes and throws it as far as he can, and his receivers (or refs) bail him out" .... Now, that's a stretch and driven off of pure hatred, but I see where they are coming from... even if it's not totally accurate.

Wallace is ideal for an offense with a QB looking to air it out. A QB who is accurate with the deep ball because Wallace won't give you much fight if the ball isn't placed perfectly in his mits. He'd be great in New Orleans... or even back in Pitt. His numbers were solid in Baltimore, but it wasn't pretty... or consistent.. or effective when it mattered. You can say he's not a good fit with Marty, sure, but I also don't think he's a good fit with Flacco either. I also think the only way to get these young players ready are to give them the reps. Get them out there and you'll be surprised how well they develop. Sort of like we did with Torrey. There wasn't a lot to like early on with Torrey. Perriman made big strides over the course of the season. IMO, he's ready for the #2 WR spot. But I know I'm in the minority here.

Whether he stays or not was never the question. Ozzie sometimes falls in love with the vets as well (something I had accused you and others here of doing). I was just saying he shouldn't stay. More of an observation than a prediction. Hopefully Ozzie and Harbs come around as well. But I agree that a wideout should probably be brought onboard before letting Wallace go. That's understandable. And no thanks to Torrey. I think you have little to no faith in the young receivers we have here. I really like Perriman and Moore. Both have great speed and playmaking ability. I think their ability to make the tough (or easy I guess) catches will improve now that their rookie seasons are out the way. But the key is how much time Flacco is going to invest working with this group. He needs to be in perfect sync with them. It's the only way we are going to take the next step as an offense. The days of throwing the ball up to Boldin and having him out-muscle everyone.... or hoping Torrey can draw a PI... or hoping Rice can turn every check down into a first down..... are over.

Right. Back in my original post last week about moving on from Wallace, I said... It's all pretty much what you're saying now. And also, we have our deep threats with Perriman and Moore. Once they get time with Flacco and get enough reps in, they'll be explosive.

You're starting to see the light I see....

Missing the playoffs again won't get Harbaugh fired. As long as he has control of that locker room. Losing control of that is the only way he gets fired in the near future..

You'd have to identify someone better with a similar system. Plus, I don't think you'd go with a former coach who will be sure to leave for coaching again.

So the timing is what doesn't make them comparable? Oh boy. If they both happened in season, then you'd argue that it didn't happen during the same week against the same opponent... But either way, we'll agree to disagree. I'm in favor of Wallace moving on. You aren't. It is what it is.

1. Wallace is a veteran who I think needs to be replaced by a younger player (Perriman), though he's not proven and most don't think should. 2. Wright was a veteran who I thought needed to be replaced by a younger player (Young), though he wasn't proven and most didn't think should. 3. Coaching staff eventually made the move (forced or not) and it paid off. I think the same would happen in this scenario. So yes, both situations are very similar. And I bring it up also because you are involved in both.

Right. We covered that already. I referenced it in the post: I'm not telling you what I think the coaching staff will do... I'm giving my opinion on what they should do. Both in the Young and Perriman scenario.

What does that have to do with anything? I said Wright leading up until week 4... which was the time when I was having these debates. The coaching staff didn't make the switch until later.

This debate took place well after week 1. That was the argument everyone kept making .. "did you watch him against the Bills".. but somehow missed weeks 2-4.

Right and I think the hestitaiton says more about the coaching staff more than anything. No way in hell Wright lasts that long on the field under Belicheck given that crap he displayed those first couple weeks.

I guess you're getting caught up on the word 'love'. Bad word choice on my end. Apologies. But when someone argues that Wright doesn't suck and Young wouldn't be better or just as good in that same position.. you either love that player or unaware of how good the younger player could be. And I see the same here with Wallace. I could be wrong. That's why I ended one of my previous posts with "we'll have to wait and see".

Young wasn't ideal on the outside. Just as Perriman isn't ideal to be a starter right now. That's obvious. But it's about understanding who we currently have and how young players would fair in that same position even though they haven't proven anything. Again, not beating my chest saying your wrong or I'm right.. Just identifying where we disagree I guess.

Lol. Doesn't matter who I like. I gave my opinion and everyone gave theirs. So I'm just giving mine back. It's how message boards work right...?

If I'm not mistaken, we had a similar debate after week 3 around benching Wright and inserting the rookie Young as a starter. Something you were highly against and I was advocating for. You're falling in love with vets man.

Well, in both of these cases, you wish fans DID run the team right? Fans wanted to keep Boldin. Ozzie had other plans. And most fans want a new OC. But we'll probably stick with what we have. While the saying "glad fans don't run this team" every thread is cute and all... it's not always the case.

Well, 1. The people running this team have fielded a disastrous offensive group the last 2 seasons. It's time for a change up IMO. and 2. I don't think many teams were in hot pursuit of Wallace as their starter either prior to this season.

Oh I watched them. I liked what I saw from Perriman. I think he needs to replace Wallace, that's it. I think you'd be mighty surprised the production the young guys would give you given the opportunity. Of course they need work. So does Wallace. So does Flacco, and our playcalling. And maybe you don't let Wallace go until you secure a wideout in free agency. Sure. I get that. But, IMO, you don't need Wallace on this team next season if all works out. We'll see how it all shakes out I guess.

Sorry. 4 games of over 63 yards. My mistake. Good catch.

Again... if Wallace and SSS got hurt in training camp and sat out... there would be inflated stats for all of our wideouts.. because somebody has to catch the ball. Just like you saw with Aiken last season. Don't fall in love with numbers man. Wallace did not have a consistent season... and hasn't been a consistent player in years. Game threads spent more time complaining about him than loving him. But whatever.

Idk man. I just see it differently when it comes to Wallace. Take Wallace's name off his jersey and just watch him play... You'd also say he needs a ton of work as well. He wasn't consistent himself. 4 games of over 60 yards. 1 touchdown in the last 14 weeks. Less than 60% catch% in those weeks as well. Disappeared/dropped/let get intercepted several big throws. I don't know what it is that everyone loves with him. Put the young players out there and they'll give you the similar production with those opportunities.

We can definitely agree to disagree. Not blaming Wallace, but he's replaceable. His season was of product of Joe slinging it for a ridiculous amount of times. He wasn't a game changer out there. I'm a firm believer that Perriman can have the same success next season given that role.