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On 12/25/2016 at 11:47 PM, Purple Punishment said:

Marino, Elway, and Kelly would like to have a talk about this

...add Kosar. Moon, & Esiason. AFC was loaded in the 80s.

30 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

 

5. This teams habit of shrinking in big games. You have a 10 point lead going into the 4th quarter and the pressure should have been on the Steelers instead it was squarely on the Ravens team and they folded(at least defensively). Imo and call me a homer. but the Ravens were clearly the better team among the Cowboys, Patriots and Steelers, yet this team shrunk in those big games. Is that a Harbs problem because this team isn't prepared or is that just a player issue because the players don't have that star power to make plays when they matter. 

Imo if the Ravens don't have any of these issues as a team right now they are easily a #1 or #2 seed. 

It's ok to be a homer, but c'mon man, the Ravens are nowhere near the level of the Cowboys and Patriots.

Ravens are a lot like 20 other teams....not great and not awful. A play here and there in a few games, those 20 teams could be 4-10 or 10-4. It's today's NFL.

On 12/16/2016 at 4:26 PM, redrum52 said:

Everyone assumes the Browns will Brown.  At some point they will start to produce and I think this new regime might be there for the long haul.

 

 

 

...but I could be wrong.

It looks bad over there now, but I can see a turn around. Injuries decimated a very young team this season, no depth.

13 minutes ago, OldToby said:

Such an overrated defense. Terrible, terrible. Idk if you put the blame on the play calling or the defensive players. Suggs allowed several big plays. The pass rush was NON EXISTENT. 

Yeah, LOL. Many here touted them as the best, #1in the NFL.

240 yards and 21 points allowed with 11 minutes to go in the game says it all. It's ony a #1 vs teams like Cle, Houston, Jax folks.

1 hour ago, ratedr said:

If ever there was a year to make the playoffs in the AFC...if we win out we'd likely face the Dolphins, then probably the Carr-less Raiders before an AFC title tilt with the Pats. Ugh. Missed opportunity.

Put down the bottle man. Or was it some magic mushrooms?

45 minutes ago, Ravens419 said:

If the Dolphins lose this week and we lose they're a game up that's why I'm saying would the pats let them win cause if we beat the bengals and they lose we are in we hold the tie breaker cause I figure the Pats fear us a bit more then the phins 

Breaking News.....the Pats don't fear anybody. And the Pats aren't like Tony Dungy's Colts, where they do other teams favors.

The Pats are certainly the team to beat, and they won't beat themselves. 

As far as the Ravens go, the season will be doomed Sunday. Coal for Christmas folks, sorry.

8-8 is good enough to win the division this year. Hard to believe. But it will get a home playoff game vs #6 seed.

23 hours ago, Steve0x said:

How come they're 0-9? 

The secondary is awful. Haden has lost it, Tramon Williams is old, and the safetys are very young. 

On 11/3/2016 at 4:36 PM, wizard1 said:

 

  I've had enough suffering.

We are working on 20 years here people!! I look around the league and I see the same teams year in and year out winning. Patriots, Broncos, Seahawks, Steelers Packers.  Even our 2 SB winning years we were either a  wild-card team or finished the year 10-6 and only won the division on a tie-breaker.

I would like to get the fans together and collectively say we are not gonna take this anymore and perhaps through our unity make some much needed change in the structure of our team. 

!

Lol...suffering? Really? 

They WON 2 Super Bowls in 20 years. Ask fans of the Browns, Bengals, Chiefs, Chargers, Lions, Jaguars, Eagles....you get the point. For goodness sakes, the whining is awful.

The NFL is basically mediocre in general, except the Patriots. It's partly by design, with salary caps. Owners want to win, but the system doesn't allow you to keep your core without over paying a few, and it handcuffs rosters. Belichick seems to be the only coach capable of letting people go and plugging the void every season.

For some reason, I think the BenGals are going to lose to the Browns this week. Hue Jackson might be able to pull it off.

Steelers lose to NE. The AFC North will be tight.

NYG 23

Balt 21

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Shouldn't sleep on the Bills, they are a good team. 

True, and losing at Cle could cause some concern @0-2. 

Buffalo - win, home opener excitement
Cleveland - loss, Browns should have swept us last year
Jacksonville - loss, Their offense is explosive
Oakland - win, no real reason why because the Raiders are a playoff team this year
Washington - win
NYG - loss
NYJ - win
Pittsburgh - win
Cleveland - win
Dallas - loss
Cincy - win
Miami - loss
New Ingerlund - loss
Philly - win
Pittsburgh - loss; teams both blow their home edge in this series
Cincy - loss

8-8 at best folks

On 7/17/2016 at 3:37 PM, ellicottraven said:

Not quite the same thing sir. The Colts left Baltimore like thieves in the middle of the night and took our history and all our achievements along with them. The Ravens when they left Cleveland did no such thing. They left all the accolades of the Browns and the name in Cleveland for the new team to embrace. That was the greatness and graciousness of Art Modell, who is still hated by those fools. Sometimes I wish the Ravens used the Browns name a couple of years before trashing it in favor of the Ravens so all the accolades of the Browns would then belong here in Baltimore and Cleveland would have to choose a new name perhaps the Cleveland Losers - a name that is befitting indeed. So, in summary, there is no comparison between the two cities and what their owners actually did. The Irsays are no Modells by any stretch of imagination.

It was a lawsuit that forced Modell to leave the name, history, and colors in Cleveland, not a gracious act at all.

Irsay & Modell are one in the same- they could give a rats butt about how they built their fortunes off of rabid fans. Instead, they flee for greener pastures and a sweet stadium deal.

Remember folks, Modell blocked expansion into St. Louis and Baltimore in favor of Jax & Carolina. We should never forget that, as it delayed football in Baltimore and we had the CFL. 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199810110rav.htm

My first game ever, it was a thriller lol.

I didn't have a problem with the Colts moving.  The problem was the manner in which they did so.  When Art Modell moved the Browns, he told the city of Cleveland the year before that he would strongly consider moving if stadium changes weren't made.  He was petty about it, but he was up front about it.  Robert Irsay went on national television and said "the Colts aren't leaving Baltimore".  Then he vanished in the night.  I could partially understand it because at the time the Maryland legistlature had pushed through a bill that would have allowed the city to take control of the team from Irsay the following season, so he was running short on time.  But there's a big difference in threatening to do something and then doing it vs. lying through your teeth to the public and going behind everyone's back.

No he didn't. He told the city of Cleveland he did not want to be a part of the Gateway Project (the Indians spear heded the project Modell wasn't interested in splitting revenue, with baseball). He abruptly called a moratorium on talks when the voters approved a sin tax to build the Gateway Project.

Not to start a fight, but I lived there during that time. Modell urged the blocking of expansion into Baltimore and St. Louis, so the NFL went Jax & Carolina. He had his eye on Baltimore for himself the whole time, knowing the Gateway Project would pass. He was very shrewd.

Back to the original topic, I do think St. Louis should get another team. Stan Kroenke really had no interest in keeping the Rams there after he gained control of the franchise. In reading a bunch of articles on the matter, he wasn't keen on the Edward Jones Dome in the first place. I don't think anything the city of St. Louis was going to sway him, his vision of the Inglewood project was too salivating to him. I'm never going to a Wal Mart again, that guy screwed over a great fan base.

I don't feel bad for them at all. I will always remember how everyone painted the browns fans as the best fans in the nfl and how they deserved a team when the team moved to Baltimore, who had to watch places like Jacksonville get a team. It was absolutely sickening. The first year the ravens went to Cleveland it was all about how that game was their Super Bowl. Well these "best fans" in the nfl were disguised as empty seats before halftime while they were getting blown out. I love that game. And I love seeing Cleveland stay as a joke. The bigger the embarrassment they are the better.

Well, I lived there for some time. They certainly are among the best fan bases in the country. They have they're share of idiots, but even after all the crappy football they've endured since 1999, not one blackout locally.

Every stadium is empty when the home teams getting killed. 

While this is true...can you blame the owners for not caring about the fans when it comes to franchise relocation?

The money is in television and creating a sports venue, not just a football stadium.

They've already got the fans permanently for the most part...they ain't going nowhere, because television isn't going anywhere.

Who cares if you upset a few hundred thousand people in a small market...that's a fraction of the new revenue they'll get from arguably the biggest market of them all.

Hmmm.....that's a weird statement coming from a Baltimore fan. Weren't you anti-NFL when the Colts bolted? Ask any Browns fan, Oiler fan, LA Ram Fan, St. Louis Cardinal fan....you get the drift.

We cared plenty when Irsay bolted, got slapped in the face when Jax & Carolina got expansion teams over Baltimore. Damn, I can't believe I just read that on a Baltimore forum.

It is hard to know what to want. In some way, it feels better that the Rams are going, since that's where the Rams started out. I'd hate to see SD go, because they've got a long history - as do the Raiders (their ridiculous temporary LA move not withstanding).

The problem is - that, even though the Rams are returning to their old home, the STL fans are left holding the bag .. again. The NFL perpetuated this stupidity back when they denied the 2 franchises most deserving of an expansion (Baltimore and St. Louis) and cause the moves of the Browns and the Rams in the first place.

So now, the STL fans are 2 time losers in terms of their history lost. Not that the Cards had an illustrious history there, but it was something. The Rams did have their moment of glory and now to be lost in the franchise swapping that the NFL seems to experience more than any other sport.

We'll see how this goes ... LA just doesn't seem to have the ability to honestly support a football team - despite having a billion citizens. Everyone is already a fan of somebody else.

What a 30-2 vote by owners tells me is the NFL could give two cents about fans. It's become a greedy billionaires club, and now this Kroenke has moved into the lead as biggest shmuck.

Kroenke hasn't done boo with the Nuggets or Avalanche either.

I feel sorry for Pettine, but I'm glad to see him go. I don't want to see Cleveland succeed. 

Why?

they'll be better, like 7 or 8 wins

Ya know, i was just thinking about this.  Since Joe has been here, id like to see the numbers on the average wins between our division and the AFC East. 

Well NE obviously has had success. Miami is eternally 8-8, Jets up & down, Buffalo mostly down last 10 years.

Pitt, Balt, & Cincy always winning, Browns always losing. 

The North is clearly superior.

Realignment in the whole NFL. If the Rams/Chargers/Raiders relocate, then they can finally get things right. Ravens to AFC East, Bills to AFC North.

I agree. Especially It being a divisional game, and even more so Bc of how demoralizing it was coming after a win in Pittsburgh that we thought may have been the turning point. Suggs was the knockdown and then SSS was the kill shot. That damn barnidge butt catch was a dagger in the throat.

Yeah, but we got away with an offsides callat the end of the MNF Cle game. If that goes into OT we lose.

After a 35-6 beat down today, there isn't much optimism here. Our defense totally blows.

most definitely looking bright for next season.

The team will be good next season, and this years debacle is a good lesson for some of the young guys that havent experienced what its like or what it takes to get through it.

As ive said in another thread..our shedule isnt all that daunting next year either.

Our home opponents (minus divisional teams)

Eagles L

Redskins W

Bills W

Dolphins W

Most likely-Oakland(AFC West 3rd place) L

Away opponents (Minus divisional)

New England L

Jets L

Giants L

Cowboys L

Most likely-Jaguars(AFC South 3rd place) W

Not a team on that schedule that we cant beat heck we'd give any of them a run for their money right now if we played them today.

8-8