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...add Kosar. Moon, & Esiason. AFC was loaded in the 80s.

It's ok to be a homer, but c'mon man, the Ravens are nowhere near the level of the Cowboys and Patriots. Ravens are a lot like 20 other teams....not great and not awful. A play here and there in a few games, those 20 teams could be 4-10 or 10-4. It's today's NFL.

It looks bad over there now, but I can see a turn around. Injuries decimated a very young team this season, no depth.

Yeah, LOL. Many here touted them as the best, #1in the NFL. 240 yards and 21 points allowed with 11 minutes to go in the game says it all. It's ony a #1 vs teams like Cle, Houston, Jax folks.

Put down the bottle man. Or was it some magic mushrooms?

Breaking News.....the Pats don't fear anybody. And the Pats aren't like Tony Dungy's Colts, where they do other teams favors. The Pats are certainly the team to beat, and they won't beat themselves. As far as the Ravens go, the season will be doomed Sunday. Coal for Christmas folks, sorry.

8-8 is good enough to win the division this year. Hard to believe. But it will get a home playoff game vs #6 seed.

The secondary is awful. Haden has lost it, Tramon Williams is old, and the safetys are very young.

Lol...suffering? Really? They WON 2 Super Bowls in 20 years. Ask fans of the Browns, Bengals, Chiefs, Chargers, Lions, Jaguars, Eagles....you get the point. For goodness sakes, the whining is awful. The NFL is basically mediocre in general, except the Patriots. It's partly by design, with salary caps. Owners want to win, but the system doesn't allow you to keep your core without over paying a few, and it handcuffs rosters. Belichick seems to be the only coach capable of letting people go and plugging the void every season.

For some reason, I think the BenGals are going to lose to the Browns this week. Hue Jackson might be able to pull it off. Steelers lose to NE. The AFC North will be tight.

NYG 23 Balt 21

True, and losing at Cle could cause some concern @0-2.

Buffalo - win, home opener excitement Cleveland - loss, Browns should have swept us last year Jacksonville - loss, Their offense is explosive Oakland - win, no real reason why because the Raiders are a playoff team this year Washington - win NYG - loss NYJ - win Pittsburgh - win Cleveland - win Dallas - loss Cincy - win Miami - loss New Ingerlund - loss Philly - win Pittsburgh - loss; teams both blow their home edge in this series Cincy - loss 8-8 at best folks

It was a lawsuit that forced Modell to leave the name, history, and colors in Cleveland, not a gracious act at all. Irsay & Modell are one in the same- they could give a rats butt about how they built their fortunes off of rabid fans. Instead, they flee for greener pastures and a sweet stadium deal. Remember folks, Modell blocked expansion into St. Louis and Baltimore in favor of Jax & Carolina. We should never forget that, as it delayed football in Baltimore and we had the CFL.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199810110rav.htm My first game ever, it was a thriller lol.

No he didn't. He told the city of Cleveland he did not want to be a part of the Gateway Project (the Indians spear heded the project Modell wasn't interested in splitting revenue, with baseball). He abruptly called a moratorium on talks when the voters approved a sin tax to build the Gateway Project. Not to start a fight, but I lived there during that time. Modell urged the blocking of expansion into Baltimore and St. Louis, so the NFL went Jax & Carolina. He had his eye on Baltimore for himself the whole time, knowing the Gateway Project would pass. He was very shrewd. Back to the original topic, I do think St. Louis should get another team. Stan Kroenke really had no interest in keeping the Rams there after he gained control of the franchise. In reading a bunch of articles on the matter, he wasn't keen on the Edward Jones Dome in the first place. I don't think anything the city of St. Louis was going to sway him, his vision of the Inglewood project was too salivating to him. I'm never going to a Wal Mart again, that guy screwed over a great fan base.

Well, I lived there for some time. They certainly are among the best fan bases in the country. They have they're share of idiots, but even after all the crappy football they've endured since 1999, not one blackout locally. Every stadium is empty when the home teams getting killed.

Hmmm.....that's a weird statement coming from a Baltimore fan. Weren't you anti-NFL when the Colts bolted? Ask any Browns fan, Oiler fan, LA Ram Fan, St. Louis Cardinal fan....you get the drift. We cared plenty when Irsay bolted, got slapped in the face when Jax & Carolina got expansion teams over Baltimore. Damn, I can't believe I just read that on a Baltimore forum.

Bingo! We have a winner.What a 30-2 vote by owners tells me is the NFL could give two cents about fans. It's become a greedy billionaires club, and now this Kroenke has moved into the lead as biggest shmuck. Kroenke hasn't done boo with the Nuggets or Avalanche either.

Why?

they'll be better, like 7 or 8 wins

Well NE obviously has had success. Miami is eternally 8-8, Jets up & down, Buffalo mostly down last 10 years. Pitt, Balt, & Cincy always winning, Browns always losing. The North is clearly superior.

Realignment in the whole NFL. If the Rams/Chargers/Raiders relocate, then they can finally get things right. Ravens to AFC East, Bills to AFC North.

Yeah, but we got away with an offsides callat the end of the MNF Cle game. If that goes into OT we lose. After a 35-6 beat down today, there isn't much optimism here. Our defense totally blows.

8-8