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I said this before the season began but was shot down because apparently we are deep at the position......right

All good ideas get shot down on this board. Because Ozzie and his flock apparently already have an all pro team. No room for real talent. As a matter of fact they are changing the ravens names to the Baltimore all pros!!

Nope, not once did I ever say any of those things, particularly Marlon, who I never liked. If you think I did, feel free to provide me a quote of me saying that.

 

There's nothing explosive about Irvin. He's reckless, immature, and lacks the proper technique to get to the QB consistently in this league. Three years in, he's still unbelievably "raw".

He is that raw yet has more sacks than any raven. You may not like brown but I know you actually think this ravens team is talented. Did you not praise Ozzie's recent drafting?? I apologize if mistaken. This is the worst ravens team ever.

Marvin Jones is a very high end #2. He'd be good here. I think Perriman can be a number one. His ceiling is massive and his floor isn't very low.

Perriman is not a #1. It shows how terrible the ravens weapons are when fans are going after other teams #3 WR. Many desperate teams like the ravens have shopped #3 WRs thinking they could be starters only to learn they are not as good when an elite WR is not helping them get open. Put another quarter in the merry go round.

I can't get my head around the 20 sack projection of Irvin for the reasons above. The example of traditional 4-3 LBs doesn't apply since Irvin plays SLB in their 4-3 Under. It's far from a traditional role as he lines up at or near the LOS and constantly darts after ball-carriers. That he weighs more than Khalil Mack doesn't mean much since he certainly doesn't have Mack's speed-to-power conversion and is nowhere near as dominant against the run. I personally see Irvin as a general asset, no question. But he's struggled with consistency as a pass rusher despite receiving a very hefty workload. Even after serving his 4 game suspension, Irvin had the 5th most pass rushing snaps of any LB in 2014 regardless of scheme. He has the 5th most once more this season. The sack totals have been solid in both years, but they're not an accurate benchmark for his general production since he's been below average in pass rushing productivity on a per snap basis despite playing with elite edge rushers. Expecting him to sign with another team, receive more attention from offensive lines and potentially come close to breaking the NFL record in sacks is rather overly optimistic, if not more-so.[/qrole ]

I typed 12-16 sacks, spell check is changing my numbers. Irvin is in coverage a lot and is good against the run as well. He gets good sack production for a 4-3 LB. Part of his problem is changing his role so often. He is always gaining muscle for this role,slimming for that role. If he was left to play at 260lbs and sack qbs he could be a 12-16 sack edge rusher. The only thing I question is his work ethic. I do not know much about his work ethic

Judging by his perception of talent, you're better off ignoring and not reading all together.

 

Apparently he literally thinks Bruce Irvin is Von Miller 2.0...

My perception of talent?? You actually thought Marlon brown was starter caliber. You called Gilmore and fat maxx "Gems" Irvin is as explosive as von Miller. When a team signs him to be a 3-4 rush olb or DE then we will revisit this thread.

Judging by his perception of talent, you're better off ignoring and not reading all together.

 

Apparently he literally thinks Bruce Irvin is Von Miller 2.0...

My perception of talent?? You actually thought Marlon brown was starter caliber. You called Gilmore and fat maxx "Gems" Irvin is as explosive as von Miller. When a team signs him to be a 3-4 rush olb or DE then we will revisit this thread.

The ravens biggest problem is they have no dynamic edge rushers. Dumervil seems to have lost a step and will be 33-34 next year. Pees gets a lot of heat but you can not play aggressive when you know your rushers won't get to the QB. Again nobody wants to blame Ozzie for failing to draft a dynamic sackmaster in over a decade!! Point out pees failures but make excuses after excuses for ozzie!! Then fire the coordinator for the players being so terrible!!

With that being said the free agent that should be #1 on the ravens shopping list is BRUCE IRVIN!! He will be not only a 15-20 sack producer but a BARGAIN!! Irvin is 6'3 258 lbs and can play traditional LB Duties like man,zone cover,read react. However he is at his best when RUSHING TBE QB!! He is as explosive an edge rushers as there is Is in the NFL. He has built power and an array of moves to mix with his AWESOME get off burst. HOWEVER he is a BARGAIN because he has not collected 16 sacks yet because he is being played as a traditional 4-3 OLB where he does not rush the QB very often. However his best position is no doubt a 3-4 edge rush olb where he could easily collect 12-16 sacks. He is as explosive as Khalil Mack. The ravens stout lineman would free him up to use his speed. I do not know why the seahawks did not blitz him more often in the Superbowl. Or line him up at DE. When he blitzed Vollmer could not handle him!! If Irvin played on a 3-4 team he could challenge for the NFL sack lead. He is more explosive and bigger than vic Beasley and Khalil Mack!! A smart gm will realize this dude needs to be charging after QBs far more often. And best of all he has not played 3-4 olb yet and collected 16 sacks. If he did he would cost over $10mil per year!! But because he is yet to play rush olb he could be signed for about 4 years $30mil. He is the type of player good gms pay for because his best production will be as a raven. Remember Boulware played traditional 4-3 LB and never had more than 7 sacks but collected 16 when he played Defensive End?? Irvin will be a fierce weapon on the ravens Defense!! A rush olb that can cover and read react when the coordinator wants to mix things up and confuse opposing offenses!! He should be the #1 offseason priority. The defensive backfield will look much better once they hurry QBs. He is what the defense needs to set the tone. Irvin,Mosley,Davis,Williams and Jernigan and another LB early in the draft( either mlb or another rush olb) and the front 7 could be dominant again. I like Sean Spence in free agency as well.

As for WRs Brian Quick was coming on before injury.

Marvin Jones looks good when An Green takes all the attention.

Except for the point that it's not. Not really as big as everyone sees. WR has been a need every year since Boldin went away. It really was not a need before then until we truly needed speed and went to go get Torrey. I'll admit that it's frustrating sure, but we've lived. Even this year WR isn't a super prevelent issue. We're still putting up points.

Every team is going to have a weakness, no such thing as a perfect time. WR is ours. Ozzie is not very good at drafting them. And even then we have come so close even without these WRs. And lost all (except Evans. I am giving you him) as a team. You cannot put sole blame or the majority of the blame on the WRs for all except the Lee Evans one. We honestly did not deserve to win those games because, well the better team won those. And it was not because of the WR corps.

And btw. If you're saying that this year WR is a MAJOR need. You're wrong. It was only a major need the years Boldin and Torrey went away. We're going to give Perriman a chance and we appear to have a viable #3 in Aiken. We will probably go get a Randle, which is fine, and rely on the TE more(which btw... If you have a stable TE core and only average WRs.. which for most of Flacco's career except for 2013 has been true. You're fine... You're offense will be fine. You need a number one OPTION. Not a number one WR. Hell, the number one option the year we won the SB wasn't Boldin, it was Rice) and the offense will have success. Especially if you have a run game.

Sure, post SB you could make the argument Ozzie neglected Flacco but he rebuilt the team from the middle out. Focusing on the oline and dline(Which are FAR more important than the WR position)first. Because you're truly neglecting your QB if you give him no run game or time.

WR has been more of an inconvience rather than a dagger like you're implying. Other than Evans I cannot think of there being another time where the sole reason for our season ending prematurely was because of a WR.

And yes. the method works. We've had success with it. Ozzie will continue to do it. Because it does work more times than not. It'll be our weakness, but honestly. If your weakness is WR and you have a good oline, running game, and TE corps(which btw. We have those). Genrally the offense will be fine(Which it has been).

So I'm not upset at all about WR. Is it a need? Yeah. SSR retiring creates a problem but not one that'll kill us. Is it catastrophic. No. Hell no. OLB, CB, FS. OG to replace KO if we don't resign him), and yes. RB. Forsett is not the answer and Allen is honestly more of a compliment. If we fill in 3 of those(my guess is we fill in CB, OG, OLB and RB via the draft and possibly get a WR via FA), we'll be fine..

But that WR is more than likely than not to be near 30, and have a few good years left in him. Which is fine. You cannot win a SB without your veterans.[players

lol What makes you think the ravens will find an impact corner,olb,WR,fs,rb and og of championsship caliber?? That is quite a laundry list of needs for the ravens. The ravens are almost near rebuild mode. Ozzie is giving contracts to eratic players like there is no salary cap and money grows on trees. jimmy played well in a very small sample. Ozzie hasn't been drafting bpa. He has been trying to replace perennial pro bowlers after they retire. Like Elam and Brown. Perriman was a need and colossal reach. When the ravens need a player it does not increase a draft picks success. When the ravens draft a player does he instantly move up 100 spots on your board of BPA's?? You do not think SS retiring makes WR a huge need?? Now they need 3 WRs. Perriman is not round1 caliber just because he was drafted there. Where would the WRs sit without SS?? He is the only NFL caliber WR on the roster. The ravens should have drafted 3 WRs not including Waller. Lockett and Diggs would be looking nice!! And oz should have drafted bpa at perriman spot. As for free agency Bruce Irvin and Brian Quick would look good in purple. Both players best production is yet to come. Quick was coming on before his injury and that was with terrible QB!! The dude works very hard on his route tree!! Irvin's best position is 3-4 edge rush olb. He is explosive and has been coached up in technique and ready to claim his position as an elite edge rusher. He is as explosive as anybody!! He will be a complete rush olb because he could cover when needed. He will be Boulware 2.0!! He should be #1 offseason priority!! He is very much the player Kalil Mack is.

Hindsight is 20/20. Kindle was not a bust because of Ozzie. We had no idea. And Elam could still possibly turn it around.

Ozzie takes the BPA. Many dissagree with the method but I see it's stregnths. He makes picks that make the team better as a whole. Mosely and Jernigan may be having sophmore slumps but even then have had plays where they look like they did last year. BPA is something I convey a lot because genrally it does make the team better. CJ and Jernigan are pretty darn good. As is Carl Davis who was also a BPA pick. Maxx? We traded up to get him because of BPA. And Elam was in a horrid draft class tbh. Allen is a good WR yes, but that class is just awful.

I'm happy with Jernigan and Mosley over Jordan Matthews tbh. Jeffery is better than Upshaw and Allen is better than Brown and Elam. I'll admit that. But I'm happy with most of the players I have. We've been putting up points with this crappy corp. And we're missing a few players. I think if Campanaro ever finds a way to stay healthy(and btw. I do think his IRing is a precautionary thing), and Perriman makes improvements suddenly the corps turns around. We already have two good TEs.

We just need a veteran to help out. It's why I want one. We need a leader there.

Upshaw and Elam were BPA's??!! If they were Ozzie's BPA's then oz is further off the reservation than I thought!! I called upshaw a bust after I heard they drafted him after I watched 5 mins of his Clips and CD. Elam I did not think would bust and I did not label an instant bust but in no way did I think he was the best player we could of drafted.Nor did I think he was a round1 caliber. Those scrubs were not even the best defensive players. Who in their right minds would prefer Upshaw over Harrison Smith?? Much less Alshon!! Is Ozzie going senile?? I would much prefer Allen Robinson over Jernigan. Marty Bryant over Brooks Urban or Gilmore. I actually liked kiko Alonso and Alec Ogletree in 2013 in Round1 almost as much as Hopkins. Ozzie's conservative approach costed us Hopkins. How much would it cost to move up several spots to secure Hopkins?? Just as his refusal to give up a mid round pick costed the Ravens Dez and Gronkowski. But Ozzie waits until his back is against the wall and drafts perriman and trades up for fat maxx. If he were more aggressive when there was actually talent and value Gronk and or Dez would be ravens. Carl Davis is not even the best defensive tackle on the board!! Who is happy with the ravens draft picks??!! I am not happy with mediocrity. Even the so called Hits are mediocre. Where does mediocre players get you?? To win the Superbowl the ravens must be better than every other team. Can not settle for mediocre players!! Without a shot to win a championship what fun is watching the ravens. At least get Joe cool a legit WR!! And allow Joe to carry the defense. They will be fun to watch with a dynamic offense. Joe cool should be applauded for what he has done with his joke of WRs. Aiken and Brown would not make another roster if cut. Yet here they are expected to start.

Yea because Antonio Gates is ripped....hes had a lackluster career huh.

Maxx Williams weighs 250 pounds. I weight roughly 100 pounds less than that. So fat.

Maxx isn't fast long distance but is very twitchy for a TE. Calling him fat is stupid. Cause he's not. He's normal sized for an NFL TE who appears to be VERY strong. He's not an easy dude to bring down. That said, he's quick, which is important. He won't beat you in a footrace to the end zone but he can juke out a defender(which he did today) to get an extra 2-3 yards, which is more useful than you would think.

Honestly. This team isn't that bad. I think we have a chance at Bosa because well. We don't finish. It's our only flaw. One that can be corrected in one offseason. We've been in every game, two of them against undefeated teams. Bad teams don't stick around like that. But good teams win a few of them. We're that team that in reality is in the middle until the fourth quarter. Where the defense decideds to implode due to lack of experience and what not. If put in a stud pass rusher somewhere, and another competent secondary player the defense would suddenly improve a lot(getting rid of Dean would help too. He's not bad but I'm tired of the defense blowing it late. He'd get a job elsewhere with personel that fits his scheme. We have a better personel for an attacking defense 3-4 hybrid tbh).

If your GM puts together a team that is actually talented, and has had consistent success for almost a decade, who cares if you're getting superstars/ elite players in the draft. You need one or two(offensivley our superstar was Ray Rice when we won the SB, and a hobbled Suggs at that point for defense) of them,but in reality what you really need is strong trench play. And one of trench's is VERY strong. The defensive trench.

So prepare for lesson(Truth not directed to you.. I've told you this several times. But you might agree with me). You really want to build an NFL team that's capable of winnning a SB. Here are the things you need in order of importance.

1. A franchise QB. If you think Flacco is trash you're full of it. Sorry. He's not. He's having a down year, but he hasn't been entirely bad. He's had his moments of success and quite frankly. The only reason we've been in every game is because of him. We would have one of the the worst teams OF ALL TIME if not for him. He's not elite, but he's not garbage. Is he top 10? He floats around there. But what matters is, he can win you a super bowl. He's done it. He needs a good team around him to do it, but we have a guy who can build one. Flacco's already won a SB and quite frankly has nothing to prove. His lack of emotion may earn him criticism. But honestly, do you want to go back to the QB carosel? Didn't think so. Sorry guy's. Flacco's untouchable. Next time we will need another starting QB is when he retires. Love him or hate him. He's good enough to do the job we need him to. And he wins big games.

2. Strong Trench Play on Both Sides.

Football is won in the trenches. And we have VERY good trenches on the defensive side. Carl Davis, Lawerence Guy, Brandon Williams, Timmy Jernigan.. Are all very good pieces along the dline. ZDS is a good player who's improved each game. Dumervil is an elite pass rusher(and nothing more), CJ Mosley is very good. Daryl is good but might fall of the wagon any day. We do the first thing that any good defense should do well. We stop the run. You can't stop the run, you can't stop anything. We don't get great pressure on the QB though(well. in the fourth quarter. We're not terrible at it. We have what seems to be 3 competent rushers right now. Jernigan, ZDS, and Dumervil. Lawerence Guy isn't bad either). Two of those guys are young, thus inconsistent, and one of them is well. A monster who is untouchable for us. But we lack more pass rush.

I cannot say the same thing for the offense. We have good pieces over there. Yanda is an all pro. Monroe has been good since his return but had a down year last year. KO is inconsisent. But Wagner inexplicably fell off and Zuttah is a finesse center. Now they've improved recently but I would not be surprised if we address oline this year via the draft or free agency. Honestly, I think Wagner has been improving each week and will return to form shortly. But we need to find a potential replacement for KO and Zuttah.

3. You need an identity. We lack one on either side of the ball. Whether we're going to be a team with a good offense in the future, with a horrid defense, or vice versa. We need to decide. We had one during the SB run.

We were a run first offense who would destroy you via the deep passing game. Our defense would play just good enough and came up when it mattered most. The seahawks two years ago had a run heavy team with a defense that would punch you in the gut if you tried to move on them.

We have no idea which direction we're going in.

Now you could argue that you need a #1 WR, but honestly I'd value the CB position more. I think you need a number one OPTION and believe it or not I see two very viable candidates for this team in the near future in either of the TE's. If Maxx turns into a Jason Witten caliber player then we got ourselves exactly that. Hell. Edelman isn't a beast. He's good but he's second fiddle to Gronk. And it's not even close.

But I think we have a number one corner. Jimmy had a dumb penalty and one bad play today vs Boldin, but otherwise was pretty solid. He had a pair of horrid weeks vs AJ Green(well... He's AJ Green, I'm not gonna give him too much crap for that. Guy's a beast) and Amari Cooper but honestly has been hot or cold and has been improving from most of his mistakes more down the line. He's given up a couple of big plays but overall his total play hasn't been awful. He hasn't been as good as we've seen in prior years but come next year if he stays healthy I think we're set there.

The problem is we lack the third one. Sure our oline hasn't lived up to last year, but I think that we can get another guard somewhere else, and hopefully upgrade the center position. And the third one will come in time. But honestly we haven't been building bad teams. Every team goes through a down season. This just happens to be ours. I think we can get out of it

You make some good points. In a nutshell however this is not the 80's. Getting heat on the qb is #1. Wide body run pluggers come a dime a dozen these days. I'm not impressed. To be honest I like our oline far better than Dline. I do think those guys can pull it together and play dominant across the board. It remains to be seen but it is talented enough to do so. Wagner should improve. He is coming off injury. I would like a more dominant center. He may be already on the team in urschel. The Dline I like Williams Davis Jernigan but I would have preferred Michael Bennett or Jarrett over Davis. Or even Davis with Bennett or Jarrett. I just believe in the current NFL the way the ball is thrown around the talent to get to Brady Rogers Ryan Romo or whomever the hot playoff\superbowl qb happens to be is key to a championship. In the playoffs or Superbowl stopping the other teams obscure RB is like winning the peoples choice award. It just does not have that adolescent flare. The run is no longer needed to set up the QBs throws. With that said I think the ravens need 2 edge rush LBs. One must be dominant to set up the other rushers. Dumervil is over 30 and lost some burst already. If anything the air attack makes it easier for Running games in the modern NFL!! The defense needs a dominant edge rusher and a tough leader. I do believe Joe Cool is a franchise QB. With that said give the dude some weapons for crying out loud. Give him a shot to compensate for the defense. Brown\Aiken are garbage. I do not like perriman as a #1. No way he plays to his 40 time and I do not see any route savvy or speed in his routes. I like him as a round3 developmental WR. Not a rookie Ozzie was depending on to be a key part of the offense. I said before that Steffon Diggs will be a better WR than perriman. As will Lockett. The ravens should have drafted a WR in 2014 and or should have doubled on WRs this draft. No Waller does not count!! The guy is so stiff he looks as if he is running on stilts!! Ozzie missed on Lockett and Diggs whom played in the back yard. Both are phenomenal talents. I said it all along, Diggs at the right school and free of injury could have been a round 1 pick. Perriman may be good in a couple years. I do not like him as a #1 at all. I would love to trade for a talented WR yet to breakout like Marqise Lee. He is a phenomenal talent!! The dude had 10 tds as a true freshman in the pac12. If agholor was available he would have been the ravens pick. And although close, he is not quite as dynamic as Marqise Lee. The ravens have some OK TEs but neither are dynamic enough to replace a WR as #1. They are more compliments to a good WR that needs a dynamic WR to take coverage off them. The TEs can be very effective but neither are dynamic. Effective does not win championships. Remember to win the Superbowl you have to be better than everybody. I see far to many fans over excited over far to many players that are average!! The other teams players are getting paid to!! And when you compare many so called gems to players around the NFL at the same position you can see they are solid which is mediocre, not spectacular. Our oline is the one unit that has the skills to be dominant!! If they are intact and playing up to par. Another reason Joe needs a legit starting WR. With Joe and the oline it will the one need that will show up the most and make the biggest difference. I'm not saying Julio jones but a legit receiver with decent speed will make the most noise and open things up for the young TEs. The idea is to find an ascending player that will be better with the ravens and having a franchise qb. I like Marqise. He has a complete skill set. Hurns getting acclimated faster is no disgrace to him. Hurns is a beast as well. What is a disgrace is ozzie and other teams overlooking a phenomenol talent lime that!! He is well coached up and broke every miami receiving record. But tbe coaches and media in jacksonville acknowledge Marqise is more skilled and explosive player when he actually practices. When he had a viable QB and no injuries he was as dynamic as Watkins. He had 10 TDs as a true freshman in a competitive conference and as a matter of fact many college and draft analysts labeled him the best player in college as a true sophomore. His nagging injuries are agrivating but they are not major. And you will not find skills like that for a round4 pick. Paul Richardson could be obtained likely for a round 5pick because of how deep Seattle is at WR and Kick returner at the moment. He has a legit torn ligament but if he returns to form he is very dynamic!! Think Torrey Smith only faster and will attack the football. And a better route runner.

As for jimmy I think he is eratic and far to inconsistent to be considered elite. Not worth a big contract!! Malcolm Butler is outplaying him!! Pathetic!! I rooted for him to be elite as well. I would like to sign Bruce Irvin this offseason. He is a 4-3 LB that would be a double digit sack guy if he lined up as a 3-4 olb edge rushers. He is being underutilized. It is great he can cover and play traditional LB Duties at 6'3 255lbs, but he is an explosive edge rusher and would be more valuable as a 3-4 olb!! Which makes him a HUGE BARGAIN!! Because if he already played 3-4 rush olb he could easily rack up 12-15 sacks and loads of pressure on qbs!! Thus command over $10mil a year on the open market!! But being that he plays traditional 4-3 LB and has yet to rush the qb often enough to hit 12-16 sacks he is undervalued and his best football will be as a raven. He is as explosive an edge rusher as there is in the NFL. And he has learned an arsenal of moves. The ravens should be able to get him for about 4 years $30million. He is worth far more than Mcphee!! He is a player a smart gm will overpay slightly when considering his current production because of his immense potential. A Smart aggressive gm knows when to pay an ascending player. He is as dynamic as vic Beasley a top10 draft pick. With Mosley and Irvin the ravens Defense is halfway there with 2 explosive building blocks that can run like safety's and play with a mean streak. I like Mosley\Irvin idea. Ravens could draft the best edge rusher to partner with Irvin and Mosley and with their stout DLine once again have a dynamic defense. Just an idea.

Get Joe another legit WR to go with ss. Give him and the offense a shot to bail out the defense!!

sure if that makes you feel better lol

Trolling would be posting his pics and altering them to make him look bad.lol if I knew how to do that. He has hands and athleticism. Just needs to get stronger and faster. Being out of shape actually means he can get better once he builds an NFL TEs body. He could get far stronger and faster. I would say a 4.63 40 or better is realistic IF he gets in shape

Hey, Terrance Cody played remember? Lol

That is hilarious!! Lmao

Except for the fact that he is in shape.......

why are you guys feeding the troll lol

Because I do not agree with you I am a troll?? And fat maxx is not in shape. Not his best shape anyways. Not by far. Just because he is in the NFL does not mean he is in shape. Or can not get in better shape as far as muscle to fat ratio. Look at his combine 40 pics. He looks like a fat WR. He has some talent but needs get leaner,more muscular, thus stronger faster.

In response to Joe needing to play better. Give him another legit WR to line up with SS. Aiken and Brown are jokes. Perriman is a reach in round1. The defense is not going to be dominant. Trade for a legit starting NFL WR and give Joe cool a shot to carry this team. Not saying Joe cool needs a Julio Jones. Just a starting caliber WR that is going to get even better once he has a franchise qb throwing him the ball. Ozzie can not draft WRs so trade for a WR In his prime. I like Marqise Lee. Before minor injuries and a terrible freshmann QB he would have been a top 10 pick. He has blazing speed,lightning fast in his breaks,exceptional body control and good hands. He does need some polishing because he relied on his Immense talent. Just watch how even drafted corners played him. They were terrified of his speed. And unlike Torrey he can run good routes and catch in traffic. He does have minor injuries but for a round3-4 pick the ravens will not find such raw talent.

Well, "Fat Maxx" actually played his best game of the season so far. I think he looked good today.

Really?? I did not watch today's game yet. He has talent but has to get in shape.

Yeah, but his mysterious knee injury is getting a bit old. I mean, for the love of God, it's been months now since he injured his knee. It's getting a bit old. I'm so done with this Perriman drama atm.

It is unfair to call him a bust, but I have to begin questioning the guy's toughness and pain tolerance at this point. I can't fault Ozzie on this one. Who would've known he'd heal slower than a 95-year-old man?

You've proclaimed Marqise Lee to be a guaranteed No.1 WR with near-superhero abilities, whose talents were apparently so immense, that Blake Bortles couldn't make his throws properly, all while happily glossing over the fact that he was bypassed by an undrafted free agent in Allen Hurns and has dealt with injuries following his sub-par rookie season. Then you're firmly claiming that Perriman is a future bust and a role-player at best before his career even sees the light of day on the field. I doubt you have the grounds to lecture me on being realistic.

If you really think perriman will play to round1 status.... What will you say about oz when Perriman and fat max are both busts or mediocre.

You've proclaimed Marqise Lee to be a guaranteed No.1 WR with near-superhero abilities, whose talents were apparently so immense, that Blake Bortles couldn't make his throws properly, all while happily glossing over the fact that he was bypassed by an undrafted free agent in Allen Hurns and has dealt with injuries following his sub-par rookie season. Then you're firmly claiming that Perriman is a future bust and a role-player at best before his career even sees the light of day on the field. I doubt you have the grounds to lecture me on being realistic.

I said his raw talent was the best that we could get for a round3-4 pick. The idea is to find a talented player before he has his breakout!! Is it not?? What would Emmanuel Sanders command on the open market after last year?? Jeremy Maclin could have been acquired for a round3 pick at one time. BTW I proclaimed Lee to be better than Perriman as well as Diggs is better than Perriman.

Yeah, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while huh. Pretty fortunate run of luck. I guess all of those people throughout the NFL that have praised him as one of the best are pretty stupid. What were they thinking?

Then what do you call his recent drafts?? Or the Kyle Boller pick?? Or pursuing McNair over Drew Brees?? Brilliant huh?? He was good at one time but would he be the first championship winner to be fired after multiple terrible drafts??

Too early to claim that Perriman is a role player before even sees the field.

Perriman is a role player\Bust. Be realistic.

When you're in the back half of the draft hindsight is 20/20. Easier to draft at the top. Much. But sure. Let's fire the man who has made this franchise extremely consistent with winning. Because that's what smart teams do...

Smh

You guys make no sense!! You make excuses for Ozzie drafting in the 20's when he drafts a bust or mediocre player. But then you defend his decision to play conservative, hoard picks, and not trade away a round3 pick to move up several spots!!

When you're in the back half of the draft hindsight is 20/20. Easier to draft at the top. Much. But sure. Let's fire the man who has made this franchise extremely consistent with winning. Because that's what smart teams do...

Smh

Oz had a lot of luck along the way. His best decision was drafting Ogden over severely troubled Phillips. However Tony Boselli's dominance as a rookie persuaded Ozzie how valuable a franchise LT is. Oz was very lucky along the way. Ray Lewis happened to be the LB left on the board at a time the ravens were desperate for LBs. Oz did not see his greatness or else he would have traded up to secure him. Boulware happened to be the best defender on the board. Heap fell to the ravens but was not the most dynamic player. Chad Johnson was overlooked and TE was a bigger need. Even when drafting top10 Ozzie landed busts Travis Taylor and Duane Starks. Starks had one decent year when he was surrounded by talent and a ferocious rush!! He was terrible otherwise. Ed Reed falling to the ravens was very lucky!! Oz should have traded up to be sure to land Reed. That is where sitting on a pick and being conservative stopped working out for OZ. Actually he got lucky Ngata fell to him because Ray was begging for a dominant defensive tackle. But it hurt the ravens in 2010 when they missed out on Dez and Gronk. In 2012 oz got cute and missed out on Harrison Smith and ended up with Scrubshaw. 2013 the ravens wanted Hopkins or Ogletree. In 2015 they ended up with Perriman whom is not a #1WR. Just a field stretching role player if that. Many coaches/GMs built super bowl champions and later fired for more busts than impact players. Oz has not drafted an all pro since Yanda. And no real pro bowl caliber talent in rounds2-7 other than maybe Brandon Williams in years!!