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21 minutes ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Using the picks the Ravens ended up with (so trading down):

1. OT Laremy Tunsil

2. CB Mackensie Alexander

3. OLB Jordan Jenkins

4. DT Andrew Billings

4. WR Malcolm Mitchell

4. DT Willie Henry

4. RB Kenneth Dixon

4. LB Kentrell Brothers

5. G Christian Westerman

6. WR Charone Peake

6. LB/S Jeremy Cash 

Not exactly all the picks I would take. But I like like it!! Could you reconsider Jenkins lol.

Week 1 Kufusi and Henry get a sack each. Correa gets a sack on a blitz. The young oline led by veteran Yanda dominates. Ron Stanley looks like a veteran technician and allows no pressure. Chris Moore Campanaro and Perriman have big games. Especially Chris Moore who racks up over 100 yards and a td. Dixon runs for 101 yards with 8 catches for 80 yards on route to over 400 yards of offense and 5 tds

26 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

I read he is having trouble cracking the Dolphins 2nd team as a G so as much as I liked Tunsil over Stanley I think this was the right pick I agree the 4th round was one of the best rounds ever Judon was a nice pick great value I like Reynolds. And getting Ochi as an UDFA was also great. I question the 2nd and 3rd a little bit but I think they could be good.

I'm not a fan of Judon at all. But Tunsils struggles are no surprise. He can not bring his hips and legs forward with surge into the block To generate power. He uses all upper bod power to control and maul. But that is not going to work in the nfl. Ron Stanley uses variety of techniques where he recruits his legs hips ankles and upper body to control opponents. When he tacks on 12-14 lbs of muscle and some nasty rubs off on him he is going to be awesome. His ceiling is superior to Tunsils and it is not even close.

T young is going to be a very good player. But covering Chris Moore when you do not know his game is a tall order!! This guy is a sharper route runner than anybody realizes. When he starts lighting it up ravens fans are going to be stunned the ravens drafted this dude. Yes this is a ravens wr

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

Obviously the coaches see it differently since Zuttah is getting all of the reps at center during OTAs and mini-camp. 

Give it time. When there is a vet starter in place, even when average Harbs is slow to notice and warm up to a more talented young player. It even took Webb time to win reps even when he was clearly the best when he played from day one.

Chris Moore is far better than higgins!! Higgins was good and athletic for his competition and system. He is going to get squeezed in the nfl. Chris Moore can win at all levels

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Pretty sure Urschel played center most of camp last year. 

And so far this offseason he's been getting most of the first team reps at LG. Jensens been the one getting reps at center. 

Seems like the team sees it the other way around - Urschel as a guard and Jensen at center. 

I'm cool with that to. Yanda Urschel Jensen are the best and most physical interior players. And any way you can get the lined up is awesome if you ask me. Both are very strong physical players with athleticism to boot. However I would prefer Urschel at center and Jensen at guard but I'm fine with Jensen at center Urschel at guard. I don't have any idea where the idea came from that Urschel could struggle with nosetackles. He is about 320 lbs yet much leaner than most interior olineman. In fact, He may very well be the strongest center in the league if that is where he plays.

Winter is definitely happy the ravens picked Ron Stanley

He has all of training camp and 4 preseason games this year. As opposed to being thrown in spur of moment last season. If he completely adjusts he will be one of the strongest if not the strongest centers in the league. And one of the more athletic centers as well. The payoff will be huge for allowing Urschel to adjust at center!! He is far stronger, younger and more athletic than zuttah.

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

he improved greatly by seasons end and i think he may one day be able to be a starting center, but it will take a lot of risky game reps to get there, not something most teams in the hunt are willing to do. hes got the IQ and the physicals needed, but he cant put the whole package together and execute the call-snap-assignment on every play.

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By weeks16-17 Urschel was playing very well at center once he adjusted to the snap. Harbs repeatedly talked how impressed he was with Urschels physicality. And Urschel put on about 10-12lbs of muscle this offseason but his play weight remains about 318 which means he leaned out as well. I like Urschel at center and he is an ascending talent. I'm confident he will be a top10 center by playoff time once he completes his aclimation there. Urschel was already a pretty strong player and now he tacked on 10-12lbs of muscle!! Urschel is an extremely hard worker in the gym and practice. If he plays center all year I would bet money with odds he is top10 by playoff time. Jensen I would bet on being a top10 guard by playoff time. He is quite a specimen. He is naturally country strong and as athletic as some left tackles. He looked more impressive than Yanda in the steeler and Cincy games. And graded VERY well in those games. Actually Urschel and Jensen are very strong and athletic specimens. And work very fanatically on their techniques. Wagner tacked on muscle and leaned out as well. If he returns to top form he could be even better than 2014. If Ron Stanley works on tacking on muscle as hard as his teammates and gets even a little stronger he should be one of the better tackles by playoff times. Thus the oline should be very dominant by playoff time fronting Stanley Jensen Urschel Yanda Wagner. Jensen and Urschels best football is in front of them. Urschel and Jensen are stronger more athletic specimens than most of those top guards and centers listed in this thread. The only guard outside the top 6 in that list I would take in front of Jensen at guard is Collins. And Urschel will be a top 10 center at least by playoff time.

As of yet there is nobody on any side of the ball that scares opponents. Not drafting well and trying to build an offense and defense simultaneously has taken its toll.

Juszczyk is a fan favorite but not special. From what I saw his blocking is good not dominant. He is not an electrifying athlete as a receiver. Now if ravens could find a special athlete that can run and catch like a receiving te yet block well out of the back then that would be a fullback to keep around. 

46 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

This makes me really question our doctors. First they say he had a minor knee injury that eventually put him on the IR, and now they say he has a partially-torn ACL and is probably done for the year, and then he goes to Dr. Andrews and he says he'll be good for training camp. What the Hell? Sounds like we need to look at getting new doctors because these guys are not doing well. 

Makes you curious what is really going on. Do not believe these doctors are really this clueless regarding him every time he is injured. Everybody else it is clear and direct. Would not be shocked if he is injured again before the regular season.

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/06/16/street-talk/ravens-minicamp-day-3/

Some observations on mini camp from Russel Street.

Some good stuff about Moore. 

I like moore. He has elite burst an explosive second gear and very fast ball skills. He is explosive in short areas as well. I'm rooting for him to be the ravens #1. Beating out Aiken, Wallace and even SS. He and Campanaro could be quite the duo.

49 minutes ago, Edgar said:

What have you seen in Judon that you don't like? More importantly, where? 

Are you saying you like Correa inside? Why? 

His strength on film is clearly his burst off the edge.

Judon just ran over and around community college tackles. I like Correa as as olb in a 4-3.He will be a great blitzer but not taking on nfl tackles from the edge. When he blitzes as a LB he will not have to beat a tackle. Tackles will be distracted by Kufusi and Dumervil. Offenses will not have an answer for a Blitzer like Correa. If he can learn to be a great LB then his blitzes will catch offenses by surprise and will not have an answer for a Blitzer that could actually play edge rusher

Stanley Jensen Urschel Yanda Wagner. Looks good to me. The interior trio can generate a surge and intimidate defensive lineman,. And all of them are athletic with 3 cone and shuttle times better than 2/3 of the starting tackles.

I reserve my optimism for players that really impress me. I do not like judon at all. And Correa I like as a LB, not a 3-4 rush olb.I know it is unpopular to say that bout any ravens player. But not every player works out. Judon will be on the practice squad if that. Correa has much value but not on the edge. When Preston says a player is not impressive he is usually pretty accurate. 

So after trading next yrs round1 and round 3 for an extra 2,3,4 this draft here is the lineup and trading back into round4 with remaining picks round5-7

1Ron Stanley,2NoahSpence,2Sua Cravens,3Coleman,3Kufusi,4T.Young,4Chris Moore,4Malcolm Mitchell,4Will Henry,4Demarcus Robinson,4Rashard Robinson,4Kenneth Dixon

Fills every need with pro bowl caliber skill set. Oline is a strength with depth and a legit #1 WR will come out of the pack and ravens will finally have a legit #1 that is drafted by the ravens and have his career in front of him. As opposed to a 30+ patch job receiver that was thrown in the trash by his former team. I know trading next yrs round1 pick is not popular. However what is the point of having a losing season and going into the off season having to fill glaring voids that played a big role in a losing season. Why not anticipate and fill those voids/needs this off season. As opposed to the chance of a losing wasted season and going into the off-season hoping to fill voids and compete in 2017. That is quite a run of talent for one draft. I would consider some tweaks. Like conjure up a plan to maybe turn Spence into Correa and Ngakoue. And if ravens keep the 3-4 it could be hard to find a role for kufusi. He is not an interior player that will flourish as a 3-4 defensive end. And he will need to cut 16-20lbs of bad weight and show he can play rush olb in the 3-4. So it could be a consideration to sub out kufusi. Although I do like Kufusi and he has utter MASSIVE potential if he cuts 16-20lbs of fat and replaces it with about 10lbs of fast twitch muscle. But his best and maybe only fit could be the 4-3 defensive end with potential to be as good as Jared allen. But if he carefully cuts 16-20 lbs of fat he will be athletic enough to play rush olb in the 3-4 if he can catch on. Thsts enough talent here. Coach these guys up and compete for a championship. 

Chris moore!! Only wanted quick when there was no options. I would of drafted moore,Mitchell Robinson to give the ravens an awesome young trio for years with #1 skill and potential. 

Ravens most dominant line-up was Jensen at left guard, Urschel at center and Yanda at rg. Harbs loved how physical the play was. Agressive maulers on the oline give the defensive lineman something to think about aside from making the tackle/sack

Wallace has never been much of a short area quickness guy. And Perriman is kind of stiff in his routes as well. Not sure if he really will be ready week1. However Chris Moore has very underrated short are quickness. It was never used in college. His qb could never find him moving suddenly in short spaces. His qb could only hit him running in a line. Even then he waited on throws. Yet still moved suddenly in short spaces to snag the throws and accelerate. He roasted round1 cornerbacks having to wait on throws. When Joe Cool hits him in stride deep and over the middle he will show himself to be a legit all around we and a total steal.

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I really hope Wagner gets resigned. That would allow us to finally get stability on the line. Having him and Stanley together the next 4 or 5 years with yanda finishing out his career between them and the likes of Alex Lewis or jensen or urschel beginning their career as starters at the opposite guard spot... 

I'd hate to finally get a LT long term onlY to experiment and fail on the right side and watch Joe run for his life again.

If Wagner returns to the top shelf I would say he is priority over Williams without question!! If ravens return to the 4-3 then Williams could be expendable. Especially if Carl Davis works out as planned. In that case in a 4-3 Davis Jernigan and Henry is very capable. Williams will not get a $100mil contract but ravens will not pay a run stuffer $50mil. Especially after a run stuffer heavy draft

4 hours ago, ravensdan said:

Well your boy Mitchell was taken by the pats. He'll probably never see the field. Their worse than the Ravens at drafting and developing wrs. They always go with the vets. Because their whole offense is precision timing. Precision routes are required. That's why ocho never did anything. 

4 hours ago, ravensdan said:

A lot of times it's not the guys talent but who takes him and how he's used and or developed. 

It is true that qb and system  play a role in a WRs maturity and production, talent is as important. Chad  Johnson was did not catch on tonthe system. But he was a shell of his prime in cinci. He could no longer win with sheer twitch and athleticism so the patsies couldn't run unique plays designed just for a freakishly athletic and sudden wr. Because Chad did not do anything anywhere after leaving cinci. He was even slowing down in cinci b4 arriving at the patsies. And the patsies system is precision and very unique but the busts at WR never did anything for any rival teams. The system made it hard but the WRs were not very good to begin with.Belicheat flat out is as terrible as Ozzie Decosta at drafting WRs. Several teams have test drove the theory that patsie WRs fail cuz of the complex system by trying out their wrs. And none of the WRs made any noise elsewhere. Mitchell I hope I'm wrong cuz I do not want to see him flourish for them. And I'm rooting for their system to conflict this time with an actual skilled WR.

Trade him to sf for rights to Willis if he comes back.  Trade him to packers for Jeff Janis or abbrederis.