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 The more I think about I, the more I'm against this pick.  Sorry, but we've got a rookie wr that's still out with a knee injury although a different kind.  He may be good for this season, but what about the next and the one after that?  People talk about how good he will be against TEs and that's probably true, and more than likely we'll have to play New England during the playoffs up north where it will be cold.  So what if arthritis sets in?  We may not even make the playoffs this year since we're rebuilding.  Not saying we can't.  Point is we're picking a player for hopefully the long hull and we need him to be healthy. After all the injuries we endured last season, we have to make this pick count.  I would much rather take a safer pick like VH3 or Elliott.

 If Kiper's picking Elliott then that means we're probably not getting him.  Shame cause I was hoping we would.  He would have brought so much to an offense that was ranked 26th in rushing besides giving migraines to opposing dcs.  Originally I was hoping to get him in a trade down.  Wouldn't that still be sweet. Just don't see that happening now. 

 Yeah, if these are BOLD picks, then what pray tell are the obvious ones?

11 hours ago, Winchester said:

Awesome you noticed Ronnie Stanley's lower half. His legsvand hipsvare stocky and flexible. He is naturally very strong with a big frame. When that dude hits an nfl strength  And conditioning  routine He is going to be awesome!! Tunsils upper body is more developed than lower cuz that is a characteristic of the juice. Tunsil and Nkemdiche are juiced up. Ron Stanley has far more upside. And is naturally bigger and stronger. Ron Stanley may not always playbnasty yet but he raises the intensity and agression several notches for elite competition. Just ask Leonard Williams!! So Ronnie Stanley takes football competition with pride. And he is intelligent athletic and plays with balance. He wasvavreal college student and put effort in his major. He now give football training and the gym his full attention. And his upper body will catch up to his lower body. And He will learn to play breathing fire from Yanda and Jensen. He can handle edge speed fine but when he gets acclimated with a good nfl routine he Will become even more athletic and explosive as his upper body catches up with his lower body and gets more muscular leaner and balanced to throw in with his mix of athleticism  strength intelligence and length. He is going to be a monster for the ravens!! He could very well become the best left tackle in the game. His big stocky legsvand hips moving that flexible smooth and explosive is a very rare blend!! He plays with pride evidence of his aggression against Leonard Williams and will hit the weight room to prepare for his battles with elite nfl edge rushers he will be confronted with. Wouldn't it be so totally cool to trade back couple spots pick up an extra round2 then draft Ronnie Stanley and get  Jaylen  Smith in round2??!! You guys thinking what I'm thinking here. Maybe best left tackle and linebacker in the game in one draft. Again!! Jaylan if He returns to form could be most explosive lb in the nfl . And an early round2 steal!! then trade up for Spence. And Jihad or Chris Jones or best dtackle  in round3 and Sean Davis  And Demarcus Robinson round4.  That could be like bootlegging talent!! Ravens could end up with 4 pro bowlers in one draft.i really like Ron Stanley. Getting he and then jaylan or even Deion Jones round2 would be awesome.  I would like Demarcus Robinson as well. He is really a cool humble guy and works very hard now. And a round1 talent. He is going to be a steal for some team. Ravens could get much better.

 For what it is worth, this is one of the best post I've read on these boards in some time. As well as the other recent ones from Winchester regarding Stanley today.  Good info, well stated and well thought out.  Makes me wonder why Tunsil is so much highly rated over Stanley when perhaps it might be the other way around. I know Winchester has taken heat at times for some of his past posts, but I really enjoyed this.

 There's a chance we don't make it to the  SB this year, but taking any one of EE, VH3, Bosa, Buckner or Jack (though that knee scares me) would be a big step in the right direction.  At least with Elliott we can put up enough points to keep a lead.  I expect our defense to actually be better than last year with Jimmy be being more healthier and also having Weddle in the line up.  There's also the chance of picking up a corner in the second round.  Perhaps move up and grab Alexander or Spence.

4 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Not if this guy can run for 2000 all purpose yards, block well and be a safety valve for Joe! Imagine the good it can do to our offense to have a potent running game that will keep defenses on their toes, compel them to stack the box and leave themselves vulnerable to Joe's deep ball with Wallace and Perriman on the flanks and Watson and SSR in the middle. Plan for that Defense!

Having said all that, don't underestimate the value of Elliott as our #6 pick. He may very well be picked by Dallas at #4. Not saying I'll be excited for the pick, because I want the Ravens to go D, but, either way it isn't as bad as you think it is. 

 I had been hoping for us to get him in a trade down with perhaps the Rams, but in recent mocks I've seen him going to Philly bout five times as well as other top ten teams.  If we can get him with our 6th I'll be more than happy.  Just try stopping us from scoring.  The only set back I see is the o line could be better, but Ozzzie ain't done yet.

 I pushed a bit for Elliott earlier this month and got negged twice for it.  Oh well.  The one thing that I don't think was brought up about him unlike Gurley is he doesn't have any health issues.  Also, he's fast.  Imagine dcs trying to defend against all that speed on the field with Perriman and Wallace on the sidelines  and Elliott in the backfield.  I am still a bit hesitant taking him with the 6th pick.  Would rather trade down to 15 and get an extra 2nd or maybe even two 2nds.  Get Spriggs and shore up that left side.  Maybe Alexander will still be there as well.  Then again, maybe Elliott won't be there at 15 either.  Hard to say what to do.

 I have three sons. They are 30, 28 and the youngest will be 25 tomorrow.  I love them as much as when I first held them in my arms.  I can only imagine what Tray's family is going through.  Way too young.

 What is this now, 3 ticked off veteran players we've stolen because they we're unhappy their prior teams in the last four years now?  First Doom, then Sr. and now Weddle?  Welcome to the Ravens!

21 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Strange, I had the feeling that we have a WR who could make a good TE and would have a better chance there - but it wasn't Waller - it was Dan Brown.
But Waller seems to phisically have what it takes, too. Interesting experiment, we'll see.

 Here's hoping they both make the field.

 What about trading with the Rams and possibly taking Elliott, Alexander or Spence with the fifteenth pick and then grabbing Spriggs with their second (take care of LT) and maybe a cb w/ our 2nd.  26th ranked in rushing last year, not good.  Although I do like Jack the more I think about how he and Mosley could shut down the inside.

I suggested this a few weeks ago.  Williams, Watson and Waller.  Sounds like a law firm.

  Sounds like Boyd would be a healthy Campanaro in the slot.  Have a great B day.

 Maybe, but I would hope in a trade down.

 What about the possibility of converting Waller to aTE. He could at least be in blocking situations.

 I wonder what the chances of Waller converting over to TE are ?  Not so much a receiving TE, but maybe a blocking one.  He can block while he works on his receiving skills.   

21 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

Fan of Boyles but this is not very good. I hope he gets his head screwed on right. This could cost him a roster spot.

 Or maybe a career? Hopefully not.

 The secondary did much better in the latter part of the season and I think we were around 15th or 16th not sure in sacks.  What ever position we go in either offense or defense with the first pick, we're still going to be lacking in others no matter what we do, considering just how many holes we have, but that 26th ranking just seems to scream help to me.

 As I understand it, we were ranked 26th in rushing.  I'm beginning to agree with Jacq and think that if we can get decent value, trade down and get Elliot in maybe the 15th along with a LT like maybe Spriggs in the 2nd and maybe one more pick in the third or late second, then I'd be happy.  Believe me when I say that there are a lot of other players such as Alexander or VH3 that I'd prefer to trade down for or better yet keep the 6th and get someone like Bosa, Myles or Jack, but something should be done to rectify this if in fact we were actually that bad.  I think New England was ranked below us and as good as their offense was, they couldn't get past Denver's defense.  What if they had had a better running game?  We need either an elite type LT or a very good running back to take the pressure off the passing game as well as Joe.  Again, would rather have it differently.

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

As many as they want. The Redskins traded three years of first round picks for RG3.

 That's what I figured.  Thanks.

 Curious; how many years ahead can two teams plan to make a trade?  In other words, would it be possible to ask for a 2nd round pick in 2017 as well as 2018 draft along with their first this year?  Just an example.  Anybody?

 Originally from Baltimore city back when people used to sell candied apples from their front porch steps and a candy bar cost only a nickel.

Let me see a Defense like 2000 one more time in my lifetime. In the end it's Defense that wins championships. How many years do we have to watch our Offense flounder with their notorious slow starts? It's Defense that keeps us in those games.

 Actually  I don't think the defense changed all that much afterward, but our offense did.  the result was no playoffs for quite awhile.  I think it's a combination of both O and D. I think someone said that offense will take you to the playoffs and defense will win you the championship.  I dunno.

Assuming there are no tears, it won't. 

 Thanks.

 Regarding Alexander, how might it effect his stock now that he's suffered 2 hamstring injuries?

 What are the chances of trading up to take Robinson after taking the 6th pick.  As I understand it, the reason we went from 22nd in passing D to 6th was because we pulled the Lbs back more often to help against the pass.  The problem was that this hurt the run defense.  Putting Robinson in the mix with Jernnigan and Williams might give us a top 5 defense if we continue this way (imo).  The question is what would we have to give up for it and would he even still be available?  I've seen him mocked at 6th to 15th pick.