Raven'evermore

  I probably have a lot less posts than most people here for the time that I've been a member, but I read the other posts every day. Of course I'm usually trying to play catch up by the time I get around to it and have to go back bout 10 hrs. Still though, I've enjoyed all the posts. Sorry to see this site go. 

52 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He is supremely better at off coverage. Wright played off to play safe, Humphrey plays off to play aggressive. He plays off to diagnose the play and come downhill and blow up any short pass. 

He needs work, but Humphrey defends the short pass as well as any corner I've seen

 Thanks, that helps.

 I'm not what you would call a Shareece Wright fan, but when comparing him to Humphrey I noticed that they both have decent speed, Humphrey 4.41 and Wright 4.46.  They also both have trouble with the deep ball and they both hit hard at the line of scrimmage.  They only difference that I see (and I don't watch film much) is that Humphrey is taller.  Of course I'm not there on the field as is Harbaugh or Pees, but with all due respect, somebody tell me what am I missing?

 I'm curious as to how Harbaugh will make his decisions on taking the three points or going for first down.   He's had a habit of being aggressive in the past, but with such a good defense our team may not need that many points to win.  

 Prayers for Todd and his wife and children while they deal with this tragic time in their lives. Also that Todd doesn't go through life blaming himself. God bless them and keep their minds and heart safe through Jesus.

I don't understand why so many posters here think that another team would actually give up anything more than what they did for a player who was losing snaps to an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE.

While it's all only hypothetical, if the Ravens can get an impact player (which should be more likely with a 74th than 99th pick,) than I think it's the Eagle's fans who after Jernigan leaves will be angry at their own front office, realizing that the 74th pick could have been their player. Time will tell.

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I think you need to take context into account on this though.

When we signed Arrington, he was strictly as a slot corner who was supposed to cover inside with Webb and Jimmy on the outside. He also spent much of his time here injured, obviously missing all of 2016.

Would also added that we signed him to a 3 year deal worth $7M total, which means he's less than a $3M a year player. That's not exactly giving him a big chunk of change, or viewing him as a key player.

Lewis also didn't sign for that much, and was actually a decent starter on prior teams (KC and Houston). Not a stud player by any stretch, and not sure he was ever really signed to be a starter either.

I agree with the premise that we typically think most FAs we sign our studs, and these two turned out not to be, but its important to consider context and cost in this.

Its possible we will hear in a year that somebody like a Danny Woodhead was a bad signing because his role wasn't big enough, but again, when you factor in cost and how we committed to him, its not really much.

No different than giving somebody like Ben Watson a cheap, 2 year contract. If it works out, its a bargain. If it doesn't, you move on quickly without substantial cap impact.

Not every FA we sign as a world of expectations when they come in. Given that we gave Carr $6M a year, I would say expectations are obviously higher than Arrington, but also the structure of the deal dictates that we aren't extremely confident in him, and could move on quickly if things deteriorate. Jefferson and Williams are the only two signings I've seen so far that we are actually committed to for at least 3 years.

  Thank's. Had forgotten about the injuries. So if healthy, he may still pan out even as a backup cb. Let's hope. As far as cost goes, it doesn't explain the zealousness of the fandom here. I'm just saying that we should be cautious with our expectations so that we're not so let down if in fact a signing doesn't pan out in the long run, but then again, who am I to ruin people's fun?

 Did some research on these boards back when we signed Both Arrington and K Lewis.  A lot of people on these boards were excited back then too, especially with Arrington.  Not trying to bad mouth signing Carr, but I for one will have a wait and see perspective. 

 I was one of the most pro Elliott people to push him to us in last years draft.  Thought character concerns weren't an issue.  Boyyyy was I wrong.  I'd be upset if I were a cowboys fan. Glad we got Stanley. 

 Lardarius Webb and Michael Mcrary were my two favorite ravens of all time.  Maybe not flashy or loud, but gave their all. 

6 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

Not a bad thought actually. If the Ravens do indeed take a CB early in the draft or a starting callibar FA to line up across from J.Smith then young will be moved to the slot where he'd play on 2/3 of snaps. I could see him play 5-10 snaps a game as safety in 3 deep packages or closer to the line in some situations when we are not playing Nickle.

Converting him to safety full time would be a bit of a gamble at this stage of his career. We don't want to risk halting his development as a corner and if he doesn't play the slot then we need 2 CBs because chances are Jimmy or Webb will miss significant time due to injury. 

 Thanks. Personally, I have to wonder why he's even playing corner. Not trying to put him down, but speed can't be taught and it seems that he plays better closer to the line of scrimmage than having to try and keep up, or in his case catch up to the wr.  As far as getting 2 cbs, I have no problem with that considering how deep this draft is. If anything it might be a good idea to start converting him over to safety as soon as possible to get him ready.

 Not sure if this applies to this particular forum, but I remember Wright made some nice tackles close to the line of scrimmage.  His one main fault seems to be speed when playing corner.  However, he does play with a lot of fire and is a pretty good tackler.  Convert to safety?  Maybe back up safety?  Just a thought.  That way we could save a draft pick for more o lineman or whatever else we need. Again just a thought.

10 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

No its not a wasted pick if he has the skills its up to the coaches to coach him up as a coach you have to simplify things good coaches adjust their scheme to fit players stupid coaches try to make players do it one way only and if they can't they get rid of them and the player goes to another team and does well

  Agreed, but I wonder if the coaches are thinking the opposite and that the player has to become what they imagine him to be.  Have to wonder if these coaches think they can make something out of these draft picks that's just not possible.  Then, when the experiment doesn't pan out like they thought, the player gets blamed or criticized.

18 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I know exactly what you meant. He was potentially overwhelmed or isn't that scheme bright to pick up a complex defense in a hurry. If I recall correctly, wasn't it the same problem with Arthur Brown. He was fast but he just didn't know where he needed to be fast... With Correa, if the light bulb doesn't go off this year, then it is a wasted pick.

  People learn differently as teachers and coaches use different methods. Some take longer than some others do.  As far as Correa, only time will tell, but perhaps a bit longer than one year.

17 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

If it were only that simple, all one would need for a football team are a bunch of motivational speakers to address the team before a game. See that team, go beat them!

 Eh, wasn't really serious.  Except that perhaps they did try to put too much on him and that he's thinking too much instead of reacting.  Maybe it's possible to simplify the game plan a bit.  Not everyone is a John Urschel.

 I think it's possible that the coaches tried to put too much information into Correa's brain for his rookie year.  Especially not having a solidified role on the team.  Would like to see them tell him: see the ball, go get the ball, or maybe better, see Qb, crush Qb.  Just wind him up and let him go.

 If I may, I'd like to put forth a different perspective about the season and also moving forward to next season.

 1. Although we didn't experience the kind of injuries we did last season, we still had some key players out for a good part of the year.  Think how much our blocking could have been better had Crockett and Max been able to contribute. Maybe had opened the running game more. 

 2. I'm as excited about Perriman as ever.  Not only was this considered his rookie year, but he was out for most of the offseason and still made some spectacular plays.  I see a lot of deep passes. 

 3.  SSS retiring means more targets for our younger guys like Waller, Perriman, Williams, Waller, Moore...  Even Wallace should see more targets.  No offense to Sr.

 4.   2015, we went 5 & 11.  This year, 8 & 8.  Definite improvement.

 5.  Flacco should be fully healed (I hope).

 6.  I would like to see Harbs get away from the aggressive play attitude.  It's one thing if you have the personell, but I would like to see us play a bit more conservative, run the ball more and not take so many chances on fourth down (jmo). 

 7. Our running game can be one of the best with Dixon and West, if we improve the oline a bit more and run more than pass.

     My point is that while we do need improvement, we're at least moving forward.  Grape is my favorite Koolaid.

     Oh and I almost forgot; Camp actually stayed healthy.  Miracles do happen.

 Jmo, but another reason for our running game being ranked so low is because we're not using it enough to punish the other teams d line.  Back when we had Jamal Lewis the running game didn't really take off til the second half.  You could see how the opposing team was tiring trying to hold up against our run.  True that Dixon nor West are in the same build as Lewis but they have enough strength and size to wear down other teams.  Also, if we continue to use them interchangeably like we have, they'll remain more rested.  Perhaps even use Allen sparingly sometimes to help.  Again jmo.

 If we keep using the no huddle, don't make too many penalties and stay healthy, we will win. 

 The good: The no huddle offense.  Finally breaking the one td on first drive and then mostly field goals for remainder of game curse. Joe actually spreading the ball around and hitting his targets.  O line was amazing.  Not taking Tunsil in the first round.

  The bad: the hands to the face call on Sr and Jernigan's penalty.  I mean really?

 I'm not concerned about our front line against the run.  I think Dallas will try testing us up the middle at first but then go mostly to the outside. With our linebackers,  I think we can keep them to short yardage for most of the game.  We need to put pressure on Prescott almost immediately at least to test their O line.  If we can get penetration early and get to Prescott often, then we can him make a bit nervous and perhaps cause an interception or two, or maybe three. As much as I've liked Elliott, I don't think he breaks a hundred rushing against our D.

  I do think that Joe had a lot to do with Trestman getting canned, but I doubt if he was the only veteran who had something to say about it. 

9 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Hey John, I thought when you fired Cam, that was pretty ballsy. But man, having to do it twice in one head coaching tenure takes some huge cojones. I'm liking your "do whatever it takes" attitude. Much respect!

Don't stop there!!

Now, walk across the hall, jump up on Ozzie's desk and demand he find some Freakin linemen that can pass block.

Then, walk down the hall, crack Dean in the back of the head and let him know he better find some pass rush.

Finally, cross the hall and chew Jerry a new one about the coverage teams.

It wouldn't hurt to punch a few holes in that hallway wall along the way for emphasis. LOL

 Wish I could give you more pluses, but we're only allowed one each.  LOL, would love to hear all this on Raven's news like it actually happened.  The punching the wall bit is a possibility though.

 Also, whether or not our wrs are being covered, we need to start passing long.  Sure Perriman should have caught that first deep throw but in his defense how often has he been targeted going deep?  You need to develop in game situations. Jmo. Oh yeah and West is looking like a stud and Allen did well too. Why did we get away from the run so soon?

 There's also such a thing as being too aggressive.  Harbs is too much of a gambler.  He says he wants to give his team a chance to score and yet he takes away that very chance after the offense worked hard to get within field goal range.  Maybe at one time this strategy would have worked consistently, but this is not that offense. Not calling for his head.  Just really frustrated.

5 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

I hope everyone who has been saying that pot ought to be legalized and he didn't do anything wrong would at least pay attention to what the man said!

Legal or not, whenever someone turns to a substance in order to avoid or cope with emotional pain, it becomes an addiction. Whether or not marijuana is chemically addictive, it is still psychologically addictive. They are two different things.

There are lots of things that are legal to which people get psychologically addicted -- pornography, alcohol, prescription meds .... Heck, you could even get addicted to doing jigsaw puzzles if that is what you turn to as a coping mechanism.

It sounds like Waller has recognized that he was using marijuana as pain management, and now he wants to be free from that and face his pain head on. That is a positive decision; and saying that "weed ought to be legal" is not germane to the issue.

 Good post.  I believe pot is socially addictive. Maybe Waller also needs to stay away from certain crowds that make it easy for him to make the same mistake again. I believe he has a lot of potential and would hate to see him go to another team.