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1. Actually, you can hit a kicker. There are many, many instances where its perfectly legal to make contact with a kicker or a punter. Anytime you make contact with a football in an attempt to block a kick you are legally allowed to make contact with a kicker. You saw a textbook example of this in Sunday's Ravens game. Assuming you've watched games, you've also seen countless examples of players making contact with kickers, having a flag thrown, and then having that flag be picked up because the contact is deemed incidental or a player is blocked into a kicker by his own teammates. All perfectly legal plays. 2. The comparison to hitting a guy out of bounds is vastly different, because there's a boundary for out of bound... there is no imaginary boundary surrounding a kicker. 3. The notion that Sherman shouldn't have hit the guy because he "knew he was offsides" is horrific logic, mostly because that implies that every player should give up on the play everytime they know they are committing a penalty. There's probably an instance in every single game where a player is offsides and the refs don't make the call... so should the player just give up on the play because he thinks he might have been offsides? Obviously not... he plays until somebody tells him to stop playing. That's how football is taught at every possible level. 4. No, actually, its not a penalty. Going back and saying it should have been afterwards doesn't actually make it a penalty. That's prototypical hindsight analysis... the ability to slow things down in replay for hours after hours once the play is over and then determine what the right action should have been with all the information you couldn't possibly have in real time. Its simply hindsight, irrelevant analysis. It doesn't and won't change anything. So from now until the end of time, there will NOT be a penalty for unnecessary roughness on that play. That's not a subjective statement... its an objective statement. Its fixed. It doesn't matter what somebody says happened afterwards or what should have happened. What happened is what actually happened. Yea there are instances but this is not ONE OF THEM!

exactly! If a play is blown dead and you continue to hit the QB Is that not a penalty? Com on People wake UP!

1. Actually, you can hit a kicker. There are many, many instances where its perfectly legal to make contact with a kicker or a punter. Anytime you make contact with a football in an attempt to block a kick you are legally allowed to make contact with a kicker. You saw a textbook example of this in Sunday's Ravens game. Assuming you've watched games, you've also seen countless examples of players making contact with kickers, having a flag thrown, and then having that flag be picked up because the contact is deemed incidental or a player is blocked into a kicker by his own teammates. All perfectly legal plays. 2. The comparison to hitting a guy out of bounds is vastly different, because there's a boundary for out of bound... there is no imaginary boundary surrounding a kicker. 3. The notion that Sherman shouldn't have hit the guy because he "knew he was offsides" is horrific logic, mostly because that implies that every player should give up on the play everytime they know they are committing a penalty. There's probably an instance in every single game where a player is offsides and the refs don't make the call... so should the player just give up on the play because he thinks he might have been offsides? Obviously not... he plays until somebody tells him to stop playing. That's how football is taught at every possible level. 4. No, actually, its not a penalty. Going back and saying it should have been afterwards doesn't actually make it a penalty. That's prototypical hindsight analysis... the ability to slow things down in replay for hours after hours once the play is over and then determine what the right action should have been with all the information you couldn't possibly have in real time. Its simply hindsight, irrelevant analysis. It doesn't and won't change anything. So from now until the end of time, there will NOT be a penalty for unnecessary roughness on that play. That's not a subjective statement... its an objective statement. Its fixed. It doesn't matter what somebody says happened afterwards or what should have happened. What happened is what actually happened. Man you no nothing about rules it should have been a flag plain and simple! Personal foul! same as a fight after the whistle? How can anybody who has watched football not say that should have been a penalty? How does the opposing team not benefit from this, especially on MNF? Crazy man! Makes me think the integrity of the NFL is beginning to be questioned?

True that! He has been out standing. If you noticed Brown started catching when powers came in. He sucks. Should stay on special teams that's his strength!

I agree with most people as Flacco does not seem right! He is terrible with trying to draw teams off sides! Man common get an acting class or something. Do you watch other games. He acts as if he has stopped learning. At this point in his career he should be almost elite if not! Most are right when they say Brady and the good ones always look at charts when they are on the bench! Flacco just sits over there looking stupid! I hate to say it about my qb but he has been real disappointing this year. He does not seem into it. I think he is having family issues! Something is not right he is not into this season and I believe he should be benched for Mallet! Flacco doesn't want it right now! Lets give Mallet a game sit Flacco down! Mallet can do no worse. Flacco trying to draw Pit off sides was a joke! com on man put something into it! Look at Matty Ice? Now he looks like a qb on a mission! Remember they came in at the same time. Only Matt has no ring but seems to be on his way? At least giving a good shot with effort. Flacco problems begin somewhere else and is reflecting on the field!

Reading all these articles with so many opinions, but I thought the most simple thing has been over looked! Flacco holds the ball too long! If there is pressure on a three step drop then plays should be designed for a two step drop? Does this make sense? Brady does it! Rivers does it Breeze does it, Carr does it Rodgers does it. It would make the most idea to me to make quicker routes? Hell stay in shot gun with shorter routes! Its that simple!

A little to deep for me. We just don't have enough impact players. Take some college courses and learn read about you teams history? This is not the first time we have been through this

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at the salary of say the top 15 QB's and then look at the drop off in talent after that. Tell me who you think we should have as a Qb with what you would be willing to pay them. Because if Flacco didn't get that contract from the Ravens he would have gotten it from another team then we would have one of those bottom tier QB's. Is he playing to his potential, hell no but he's got no offensive line whatsoever, he's either getting hit or pressured on almost every pass, he's coming off an ACL surgery (see point 1 again about not having any protection), receivers are not getting separation and when Joe finally does make a good throw these guys can't catch!! Two deep balls hit Perriman in the hands and (1) he drops and the other doesn't get his foot down. At this point he's a disappointment - 1 catch against the Jets and then disappears. http://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2016/ I could not agree more that Perriman is a bust. He has no strength where is the speed db push him around block him out no football extra skills just run is all he does?

Roger that, Palm Bay.....Its time for a Raven Revolution. Lets all round up the stale, old purple kool-aid and go dump it in the inner harbor. We are tired of it. Picket signs ?...... This past Sunday was the best time to sit Joe, given his recent shoulder issue. With this week off it would have been a great time to rest Joe before Pittsburgh. With the Jets being a supposed bad team, why was Mallett not considered ? I believe that the brass is more concerned about a qb controversy than actually having a chance to win the game. Because Mallet sucks.....watch the Hard Knocks season - that's the guy you want as your QB? lol. There is a reason he's been dumped by 2 teams already. Which doesn't say much then if he's our back-up - another well thought out succession plan by the FO, huh? Mallet is a good quarter back with an attitude problem thats why he has team issues but I believe he has been humbled? Jeff George?

Kick rocks the Ravens are known for their drafting around the league! Because Joe can't finish drives do not go after Ozzie and Co! Nope Nope Nope! I'll give Stanley the benefit of the doubt and project him to be an impact player(hopefully) CJ Mosley, Yanda, Brandon Williams(maybe) and KO who took the Raiders money(as all players should.) I may be missing a player or two but give me the REAL IMPACT Players we've drafted since 2009, NOT the ROSTER FILLERS as we have far to many of them. Your turn. Every time we do get some body impactful after their rookie contract is up they go else where?

He just got lucky all these years ? 8 years and he cant read defenses? You might have a point because he acts as if he has no play calling powers? Maybe he doesn't have that authority? Just saying? That would mean the coaches have no trust? But if he were good he should? But he doesn't. The good ones do that what makes them good. Your point brings up something interesting. Flacco never changes the play? One time this season they were trying to draw the team off sides but he didn't even give a hard count there is no hard count He stood there calling out? I wonder what made him think they would jump with no acting job. He is a straight up Joe now additives no preservatives Flacco is good when conditions are good bottom line. Controversy forget it he sucks! But he still my dude no matter . He got 5 good years left but this season he has been a real punk about playing the game and I for one am disappointed and hurt by his play because I believed him to be beyond that one game sure but several? and had more faith to know something is not right?

Soooooo your saying he is faking the FUNK?

I know thats right!LOL

I have read most of the articles written and I have come to understand that everyone is missing the fact about who we are and the connection to the name Raven? Were we not named after the edgar Poe characture? Ravens are mystic and things mystic have very good moments and there are weird and bad moments? Havent you watched the games? Each one bring a new way to lose that we have not seen! Our good always end with bad? How many times has the defence got the ball back on turn over and give it right back on the same play? How many times does that happen in a game? Moreover in a season! Face it there is something to this Raven thang most of us just can not see it forgetting who we are. We are just not losing look at how we are losing! If the does not make you go Hmmmmm then you are not Raven! Read the poem about the Raven, perhaps there will be some insight? But for now we have to ride with these punches and hope that our curse will be lifted? every team has there moments and our past has given us a good ride. I think at least we can endure the pain after all Raven has given us joy!

I liked your post and couldnt agree more. I didnt want to admit it but I saw it. I have said before he looks as if he has regressed? He never climbs the pocket? Never! Very good observation I look forward to reading more from you?

I could agree for the most part but Zutta is quality it dosent help when the guy next to you is not on point and you have to play out of your element, you just cant only do your job? but every good quarter Back needs protection. Breeze Rivers, Brady, Ryan, even Carr? Oakland spent money on protecting him and it is paying off. Remember they took our best and now we have issues? No coincidence? We even had the nerve to let Monroe go? Its bitting us bad when our Quarter Back falls to the ground and throws a no where pass and no defender around? Man I tell you blame it on what you what but this is not him bad o-line or not! The whole season as been Edgar Allen Poe wierd?

Hey leave my quarter back alone Hes still my man. I wanna see you post once the playoff starts and we are never one and done!

good one LOL

t this point he should be taking all the blame? It should be I did not excecute! I think our Quarterback has gotten gun shy because I saw a play where Joe threw the ball as he was falling and the guy wasnt even close? Something is amiss? But seriously, he needs to stop say we and take the frikin heat? thats all I am saying. He was not under pressure on either of his interceptions

t this point he should be taking all the blame? It should be I did not excecute! I think our Quarterback has gotten gun shy because I saw a play where Joe threw the ball as he was falling and the guy wasnt even close? Something is amiss?

Hey I was going to comment on Joes and the team performance but it would not do any good? More importantly, now we go into a much needed bye and go regroup? For some strange reason perhaps it is the season, We have not quite been ourselves. nevertheless, We are Ravens and our poem always begins, "Once upon a midnight dreary, while we pondered, weak and weary" However, strange or foolish as it may seem the ravens still make the playoff with a 9-7 record! "Deep into the darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortals ever dared to dream before;" We will beat Pitt and Cleveland at home we will lose to Dallas come back home and beat Cinn squeak by Mia Loose to NE come back home and beat Phil defense will have a signature game loose to pit and then beat Cinn in Cinn! Edgar Knows I believe in Flacco and he is in a slump!

No one is going to help you. 3-3 and this is what you have to say. We have issues no doubt, but let's see how it plays out. I'd hate to see what you would say if you were a Browns fan. whoooo wait a minute they said no cursing on here? And yes I know it is 3-3 but dude look at what is happening? When you are a true Raven fan which I am you can feel certain things when you watch the games. Ravens now find a way to lose. Look at the level of competition they have faced and they are 50/50 you mean to tell me that you believe things will change? Bro I for one hope they do but I would not hold my breath. I love them but they suck and I see no magic coming soon. Flacco is poor by all means I listened to it and still believed he was quality but at this point he has just proven how he is not worth the money we fans paid? He has regressed and I am tired of hearing about his knee Get over it and play ....if you can. I take a lot of heat where I live just for being a Raven fan. Nevertheless, we tended to be winners! I dont like feeling like a joke and then you say nobody is going to save me? what kind of help are you? Convince me how you see our team working it self out? Ok I get it " Any given Sunday"? Right? More importantly trading up was just a joke of frustration?

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Harbs said its a matter of how much pain he can tolerate a while back giving ignorant fans an excuse "to call him soft" or "he's washed up" when he clearly wasn't ready maybe its s way of throwing off opponents to gameplan for him but I just don't like it. We do it a lot and sometimes it backfires on the players since off season it's been like he'll be ready any week now i wish he pulled of a " he'll be ready when he's ready" or "he just came back from surgery and he needs time" Check this out Fans come to watch what their tickets are paying for, quality football play. I believe when Premier players are hurt for ridiculous amount of time and you are losing fans should get a discount. The player still gets paid his money but dosent play? No! With all these injuries the fans should be getting discount tickets and the discount should continue to lower as the quality of play diminishes, because now they are not watching the Bang for their bucks? The Fan is being cheated and they should feel that way. If I go to a concert and I pay to see Beoynce and I get Betty White, how should I feel? Should I pay what the price originally called for? No! We pay for quality not mimics of that. We want a real effort for our money!