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As far as immediate impact, I think Wallace, Watson & Weddle will be huge this season. Watson is a good RZ target, but Wallace gives back that speed which Torrey took to SF. If Perriman ever gets on the field, the combo of having to cover both Wallace and Perriman would be pretty daunting. However, just having Wallace is a big step up, if only for speed reasons.

Weddle will change everything for this D. He's smart, quick, but maybe most importantly, he's showing that leadership gap we've been missing since 52/20 left.

I think Young and Moore also see time and make an impact as the season progresses. I'm a big fan of the KC pick, love that he's being a menace already. 

1 minute ago, Moderator 3 said:

	Jamison Hensley (@jamisonhensley)
8/6/16, 8:39 PM There are no tests scheduled for injured Ravens LT Ronnie Stanley, which is a good sign for the team and the No.... es.pn/2aHrIyr

 

Could just be a bruise. We're so hyper-sensitive to injuries now.

10 hours ago, ReadyEddie06 said:

I've been really curious about how Ochi has been performing this offseason. From watching him play in college this is a guy that I felt could have a really interesting impact in the NFL. Havent heard much out of camp about him though.

–Victor Ochi is a rare sculpted rookie and the most likely UDFA to make the team. His high motor has drawn retaliation from some offensive lineman, including a brief scuffle with Anthony Fabiano today. He jumped offsides once, and lost the edge to Maxx Williams on a run left, but his size and leverage make him an intriguing pass rush option who could be effective against taller offensive tackles. The top end of low-center, high-motor, muscular edge rushers is James Harrison. We can always dream.

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/08/05/camp-notes/shady-day-football/

Sounds good.

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I personally wanted billings. If we give Brandon Williams a huge deal we are gonna regret it because we will continue to be hindered financially by low value guys that can be easily found. I love B will and he's great at what he does, but run stuffing NTs are easy to come by and have less value in today's nfl, drafting billings allows us to avoid putting big money into a low value position. 

I'm split on this. Part of me agrees entirely, because that's what we do best. Fill the gaps of these positions with young, high upside players, while taking in a sweet comp pick. Part of me thinks we'll re-sign him because he's solid homegrown talent, and it's been a while since we've had that. A top tier contract probably fits easily in our plans for the future, but by letting him walk we could gain quite a bit more in the long-term.

Just making it through TC relatively healthy is step 1.

Pre-season, step 2. 

Then it's just a matter of staying healthy and getting back to the dance. Can't wait.

Wait, so you're telling me that no one has pounced on an oft-injured LT, who commands more than his worth, and seems to be putting more time into his foundation rather than his ability to stay healthy?

Color me surprised.

I'll take Kubaik, Gruden, and Collinsworth's opinions on Flacco anyday over Carr's. Anyone still talking about Flacco being over-rated is just trying to drum up to same old garbage we've been hearing for years now.

It's their job to create controversy, especially this time of year. Great work, if you can find it.

Oz and Steve have noted that they saw what the Broncos did last year, and they are still big on defensive play. That said, I think we needed some depth on both sides. We'll always be looking for a deep and balanced team. It's how we won in 2012.

I can't imagine Steve/Oz/Harbs are sitting there watching our defense blow games (for the better part of 3 seasons now), and thinking to themselves "if only we had more offensive power to keep up."

13 hours ago, K-Dog said:

If Stanley was stinking it up at OTA's and minicamps this thread would not exist.
Monroe is gone in part because Stanley proved it was okay for him to move on. 

For sure. I'm betting that they had a few closed door meetings with Stanley to let him know what is expected, and instill the confidence he needs to be the guy at LT. He's gonna do fine. Dude is a great pass protector, he's humble, and I'm sure he has exuded enough confidence for Oz/Harbs to put Monroe on the street.

Just now, Daft Classic said:

I always had Wallace being ahead of Perriman just because of veteran experience. I also believe Perriman supplants him with relative ease if he can get going

Yeah, this is how I've always seen it too, and it makes sense that Perriman would start more as a decoy rather than trying to be a legit #1/2. He's going to need to time with Joe to build up those reps and chemistry. That said, he's pretty valuable in that role alone, while it also allows him to start building up his own game for the future.

Again, while cautious optimism is warranted, I am really pulling for this dude to make people eat their words. 

2 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

I don't know what makes me more sad, Perrimans condition, or the complete lack of intelligence and common sense in some of these posts. 

It's a shame really. I feel bad for the kid. Depressing to see him have this happen again, and worse to see "fans" pile on him and everyone else over an injury.

10 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Ronald Leary is requesting a trade from the Cowboys per Gil Brandt and NFL.com... not happy he lost his job to Lael Collins.

I like our depth and competition, but if we cut Monroe and Stanley is our starting LT I'd probably be more comfortable with an established, experienced vet next to him at LG instead of Urschel or Jensen (even though I like both their upside).

Doubt we do anything now with all the competition, but if no one outright grabs the position I'd become interested by pre-season for sure if the price is right.

Do you think they'll cut Monroe? I don't, personally... But a lot of people seem to think that he's gone as soon as his injury status is cleared. Not sure how comfortable I'd be with it, but if that's the case, then yeah we should be looking at Leary.

8 hours ago, OldToby said:

Call me crazy, I wouldn't be surprised if our secondary has a breakout year. I think weddle is going to be a great leader and mentor. His presence should help reduce some of the communication errors and stupid mistakes that we've been seeing over the past couple years. After Reed left we have had a pretty uninspiring secondary. What a shame Hill got lazy, and got himself cut. Weddle alongside a determined Hill would be rediculous. 

I actually think I prefer Webb back there over Hill at this point. I'll probably eat those words soon enough, but Hill seemed to be really falling off and losing playtime as the defense progressed late last year. Agreed though that Weddle should be a big help, everyone staying healthy is key too. I'm cautiously optimistic about the secondary this season, but if Wright can play where he was at the end of last year, Powers/Young/Davis or Arrington steps up, and Jimmy regains his confidence... Yeah, we're gonna be in good shape. I would love to see Jimmy really play a full season at his potential.

2 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Correa might actually be the best pure 3-4 pass rusher in this entire draft. Now he's not even close to being as complete of a player as Bosa in terms of also being able to set the edge and factor into the run game. But if you're just talking pass rush specialist Correa is your guy. Quickest first step off the LOS out of all the edge's, once he smartens up a bit and learns the tricks of the trade from Suggs/Doom he could be a dangerous guy in passing situations. Very much in the mold of an Elvis Dumervil, short arms, but makes up for it with superior burst and technique. Not a 3 down player but a very proficient pass rush specialist.

 

However he needs to get a go-to pass rush move, he can't just rely on his athleticism at the NFL level, if he can upgrade his pass rush arsenal he will be a player for us. 

Agree with this almost word-for-word. Correa is our next Doom. While I expect him to make some impact right away, I think he'll be groomed right now for a similar role to Doom's. I think Correa's 'make it / break it' comes down to how much he can learn from Suggs/Doom this year and potentially next. I'm not oversold on many rookies, but he's a great pick if he can give us 70-80% of Doom's production entering his third year. 

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

As you will soon learn on this board, some on here will find away to complain about winning a game, literally. 

Hindsight game is always a failure, for every single team.  Thats why the more picks the better. 

Heh, isn't that the truth. Some are even haunted by decisions the front office makes.

1 hour ago, jdynamite said:

I was pro Tunsil, even considering injury history.  

I mean after all the bad Press Ray Rice, T.Cody dog stuff, B.Pierce drunk driving, the Ravens have tried to have a better image as an organization. I'm sure Steve Biscotti had the final say on whether Tunsil should be the selection following that video, or worth the risk of drafting. 

 

Also the team just had to release Will Hill because of drug violation and suspension, every team knows players " have extracurricular activities " but they still expect players to live to their end of the bargain and pass all test, train and be available to play.   Teams aren't worried about players partying or smoking, it's will he be available to play weekly or will this be an issue where he's suspended missing games.   

You see guys like Dion Jordan, Justin Blackmon, Josh Gordon, Randy Gregory players with potential that can't be trusted and the team suffers when they miss games.    ( Everybody can't be like Lawrence Taylor & Michael Irvin have their fun and still play at an All Pro level every week and not get suspended ). 

And here's the thing, the Ravens are slightly ahead of the curve on this right now. Public image can sway in an instant during the age of social media. While that carries some weight, the fact that a guy may be suspended carries even more weight. If you draft guys with a history like Tunsil, you're taking a risk and opening yourself up to heavy criticism. Sure, maybe he never gets in trouble... But if he does?

Harbaugh has stated that you draft guys based on their play, their passion for the game, and how they they carry themselves off the field. If the Ravens take guys who are slightly more developmental, but have the desire and skill to be 110% better over the long run, while limiting the risk of both off-field issues and injuries, they have a really good chance at continuing a stable, winning franchise.

59 minutes ago, PersianRaven said:

The Cowboys were only asking for our 1st rounder and they also wanted our 3rd round pick to swap spots with us and we thought it was too much to do all that and snag Ramsey! I am still BAFFLED. We had 11 picks and losing one for Ramsey would have been worth it.

If we took Ramsey and gave up our third, then we don't have Stanley or Kaufusi, both of whom play more critical positions right now. Ramsey means nothing without a good pass rush.

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I think the difference for Tennessee is that they didn't necessarily have to be finding a LT... they just wanted a good tackle. Both Stanley and Tunsil project as future LTs, whereas Conklin, by many projections, figures to be an elite RT long term.

Tennessee still has Taylor Lewan, who has been good but not great, primarily at RT though. They can pretty much just see who the better LT is between the two and put the other one on the right side and feel good about it. If they drafted Tunsil or Stanley, its sort of a permanent move to RT for Lewan, and I'm not sure if they were interested in that or not.

 

Ahhh, that makes a lot of sense now.

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

As am I.  We already have a LT with injury issues.  Tunsil played in 6 games last year if I remember correctly.  I wouldn't have been mad if we still took Tunsil, I could understand it either way.  Personally I would of went for Stanley first....even before the video. 

I would have been fine with Tunsil too, but yeah, the injuries, the video, the family drama... Just seems we made the better choice right now. We'll see how it pans out, but from what I've seen of Stanley, he's really good right now with plenty of room to grow.

Just now, usmccharles said:

I guess anyone can rank players in any way they want.  I think the overall consensus was 1a- Tunsil, 1b- Stanley, 2- Conklin

Yeah, it definitely was. Wouldn't surprise me if the Titans had Conkiln a number of spots below Tunsil on their board. But, they made whatever choice was best for them. Overall, I'm happy we didn't take Tunsil in hindsight.

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Well considering what happened with Tunsil, maybe they weren't the only ones to have Conklin ahead of Tunsil afterwards and thought he wouldn't be there at 15. 

"Football Insider" Cecil Lammey in Denver had Conklin ahead of Stanley, and on par with Tunsil, but graded them all out pretty similarly. Only one person's opinion, but it was definitely out there.

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

"The sky is collapsing on the Baltimore Ravens, we will be as cursed as the Boston Red Sox were after Babe Ruth left. We lost our leaders and have drafted a bunch of bench warmers who pull straws to see who will go out onto the field" --The impression I get from 7/10 fans, I realistically after the draft feel if we stay healthy that we easily go 8-8 and have a slightly low ceiling of 10 wins.

Yeah, for sure. This team when healthy had a floor of probably 7-8 wins LAST year. 

I'd say 8-8 to 11-5 is reasonable, but 9-7 is probable. This team is on its way back up though, I think the youth movement will serve us well post-2016.

40 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Could go either way.

You've got a legitimate shot now at the first 3 picks being offensive players... QB, QB, Tunsil. That means we get a top three defensive player in the draft.

Worst case scenario... it really doesn't change much from what we thought. We still see a QB and an OT in the top five, meaning we're still getting a top 3-4 defensive player.

Long shot possibility... Tunsil slides all the way to #6. I don't think Cleveland takes him, and if he gets past SD (highly unlikely), all bets are off. Cowboys certainly won't take him, and Jacksonville would be a coin flip (though I do think they take Tunsil if available anyway).

Not a likely scenario, but slightly opens the door that Tunsil is in play at #6. OR... if he gets past Cleveland, we explore moving up with SD or Jacksonville to pick him.

 

Benefits us no matter how you look at it. Tunsil could slide all the way to us, or we get one of the top D talents in this draft. The later was already likely, but this certainly solidifies that, and perhaps provides more options.

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He's one of the few prospects who was projected that high last year and kept it up. 

Perfect ZBS back with excellent pass catching and blocking (run or pass) abilities to boot. Probably the second best skill player in the draft. 

Hmmm. I could see this happening. While probably not a popular choice, it makes a lot of sense for an offense with no true identity right now. People keep saying RB is now devalued, but if your RB is the focal point of your offense, that's certainly not the case. Run-first w/Flacco has already proven to be a winning formula. I miss those days of taking a solid lead and pounding the opposing defense into the ground and out of the game late in the second half.

What's up with Elliot? I see Kiper now has him going as high as 6. I don't know enough about him to know if that's legit or not.