EdTheMythicalOne

Come on Perriman your 21 years old it doesn't take that long for that knee to heal. This is beginning to look a bit suspicious. They may wait until the swelling is all gone and do another MRI to discover something more serious that's what it seem like they are doing to me.

Strains do take that long to heal. My back strain required me to be relatively inactive with it for about 6 months and my grade two quad strain needed 8 months to heal. And strains can bruise...something I learned with my grade two strain in my quad. My leg turned all lovely shades of yellow and purple....My leg....was "playing like a Raven" and donning the Ravens colors!

Interesting though about who the veteran leaders will be in a year or two... It's always scary, but generally you have someone pop up. The number one on offense will be Joe Flacco. He doesn't have that fiery thing going on, but he'll be someone who you an turn to as a player. Some of our year 1 and 2 players will be older, more experienced and more confident, so you might hear someone mouthing it that hasn't yet on account of not having earned it. You can have Jimmy step up, there is still Lardarius and who was it? - I think Kendrick Lewis is already getting vocal in the secondary. On offense, though you don't hear him all that often, I think maybe Crockett Gilmore will be more of the attitude guy. He's already shown he can be a cheeky bugger and that he has a quiet confidence.

If they keep Yanda around I think he will be a silent leader on offense and I agree that some of these guys getting the long term extensions like Webb or Smith will need to step up. Right now the Ravens have a lot of youth on the field if you take away the few veterans they have. They also have a lot of first or second year Ravens..guys that have played for other teams but have just come here as a free agent. Lewis is stepping up, but I think that is a rare thing for a rather unestablished veteran to do. Flacco is already a silent leader. He won't fire up too much but I recall Mason getting on his case about something and Flacco was firing right back at him. This is an interesting point though. Suggs will probably only be around for another couple of years, same with Dumervil and D. Smith. Who will be the leaders on the field when these guys move on?

It is time for Steve Smith Sr. to leave all the "Blood and Guts" on the field, to "Ice up, son," one last time, and he felt he should retire because he felt bad for being, "an old man and running around on them like they were high school players."

I admire the way he plays and prepares himself, but Smith isn't without his faults. He broke the jaw of a former teammate in practice and has been known for getting into many fights in camp. His first season here he got into a fight with Webb where punches were thrown.

So what will the Ravens do? I dunno, probably more of the same. When they lost Derrick Mason, they got Boldin. When they traded Boldin they got Steve Smith Sr. So start looking at veteran wideouts on teams that are coming into their last year or two on their current contracts and have young depth behind them. Chances are one of those guys will be a Raven depending on how this crop of guys perform this season.

Should have referenced the 1953 original film because it was far and away better than the one with Tom Cruise. The special effects for the time were very good and at least the main character in the film was a scientist figuring everything out instead of some dock worker turned savant. If you haven't seen it, do yourself a favor and check out the original movie. I'd prefer Tucker to take aim for dead center through the uprights, but he is a bit of a character and I wouldn't mind seeing a video of him nailing that camera.

Asa Jackson was drafted with special teams in mind as he is rather small even for a cornerback. Campanaro can certainly raise his stock with his ability to be a return man and to be that pesky #3 or #4 reciever that sneaks in under the zone and catch those passes and make a little something happen like he showed the ability to do when healthy...just hoping he stays healthy.

I really like our potential red zone offense. Think about this: Marlon Brown, Darren Waller, Crockett Gilmore, with "Juice" in at FB and Maxx Williams in a Twin TE formation. Sprinkle in Perriman or Smith Sr. depending on what you're trying to do.

I am not expecting a completely lights out secondary this year. If they get more turnovers this season, great, I am all for that. I just don't want to see scrub wideouts streaking down the field wide open for easy TD's because nobody on defense thought it was a good idea to cover that guy. Eliminate those kinds of mistakes and this defense will be a lot better. Healthy Webb+Smith is a great start. Will Hill at SS with a more capable FS like Lewis I think will help that safety valve a lot. Let's hope the depth at CB also stays healthy. I don't want to see street free agents spot starting for us and us having to use safeties as nickel corners or starting corners again.

Scary thought: So Smith Sr. retires after this season, and then in a few seasons Suggs will hang em up too. After that who will be "that guy" for this team?

Don't forget Dumervil is getting up there in age and his contract is running out, same thing with Daryl Smith. So who will be "the guy" or guys? Some of the guys on the team right now. I am sure Ozzie will be looking for some veteran pressence to help out as well just like he did with Smith. Somewhere some team has a quality veteran that they don't feel like paying because they have a new hot shot rookie. Ozzie will swoop in and sign the guy and we'll get the last 2-3 seasons of good football out of them. But I hear you, time for some young leaders to emerge for this team.

Why did Carl Davis drop in the draft again? Other teams are so stupid.

Because he is 6'5'' 320lbs and doesn't play "up" to that size. He's built like a Nose Tackle, but plays more like a #2 DT in a 4-3 scheme. His college play was inconsistent and his motor/drive is questionable. So he is kinda like a "tweener" defensive tackle. Here's his scouting report: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/carl-davis?id=2552280

Nobody wanted to take a big gamble on a guy that "might" be a pass rusher and might be a bit lazy. It is also worth noting that he was actually much larger in college than he is now in the NFL. It took him three seasons to get into the shape he's in now.

I'm not saying this is the Carl Davis we got here in Baltimore. Hopefully we got the hungry guy that feels snubbed for falling in the draft.

telling it like it is implies you told the whole story not just the parts that fit your argument.

 

for 2014 for instance you failed to mention that derek carr was a early second round pick who was handed the starting job.

it was his to loose and the only way he was gonna loose it was if he was as bad as manziel from both a mentally and football standpoint.

however carr was regarded as 1 of the best QBs in the draft and more pro ready then most other QBs.

then you also disregard the fact that the raiders only gave up a 6th round pick for schaub and had him restructure his contract so the raiders really had no reason at all to give schaub a real chance at the starting job.

again it was carr job to loose.

 

then you talked about the stats he put up but you failed to mention 1 INT came on a special team play while all other stats came in the 4th quarter of a blow out game trailing 42-0.

this information obviously put his stats in 2014 in another light.

no team will judge a QB on a special teams play and any sane person knows no QB is going to play lights out when he gets subbed in being down 42-0 with less then a quarter to play.

 

2013 its also hilarious how you blame him for the texans losing and even suggest the backup did a better job.

going 0-8 is not better then going 2-6.

also the back up did not have better stats at all.

 

back up threw less passes and thus had less completions, way lower completion %, threw for less yards , less TD, avg less TD per pass, avg less yards per game and lower QBR.

 

its really highly debatable is the back up was an improvement at all.

 

you also totally forget to mention the situation the team was in, with them being a terrible team running the ball.

schaub is and always had been a very good game manager but in 2013 he was asked to carry the team because of that bad running game.

 

if you have him manage a game you get a good QB , if you want him to throw you to victory you are doomed.

 

fits the description for a back up quite good TBH.

 

2013 and 2014 are not a good reflection of the QB he could be.

Yeah, telling it like it is. In 2013 Case Keenum was the new starter and he threw 9TD and 6 INTs and threw for 1760 yards for a QB rating of 78.2. While that isn't exactly setting the world on fire; it was better than Schaub throwing for 2310 yards 10TD and 14 INT and a rating of 73.0. The team thought so little of them, they benched him and THEN traded their franchise QB away for a 6th round pick because they didn't want him anymore. You bring up the running game, but Keenum had the same running attack that Schaub did and yet he performed better. He didn't turn the ball over more times than he scored it.

As for the Raiders...I am not sure how else to explain this to you. Schaub not playing at all and being the 3RD string QB should tell you exactly what the Raiders thought of him. The Raiders....one of the worst teams in the league....didn't want Schaub starting for them. They didn't even want him to be the back up. I don't care what draft pick they used to get him. I don't care what the expecations of Carr were. You honestly don't think they would have started Schaub if he looked impressive at all in camp in order to let the youngster learn the system a bit more before throwing him to the wolves like most teams do with all of their QB's? He wasn't even good enough to be Carr's backup. He was the back up to the backup.

2013 and 2014 aren't a good reflection of the QB you think he can be. I think it is a perfect example of the QB he has become.

If the injury to Perriman is a knee strain, the course of action is to pretty much do nothing with/on the strained area for an extended period of time to let the strain heal itself. Once healed you can then resume activities. If you come back too soon you risk straining the area again or even doing worse damage. I am not a medical doctor, but I am speaking from experience after suffering a back strain and a grade 2 quad strain. I never knew strains could bruise, but that quad strain I got looked really nasty. It took a couple of months for that to heal, but I am no pro athlete and I don't have access to superior sports medicine. I'd rather them just take the time he needs to heal, there is no need to rush him. Yeah you'd like to get him out there for practice reps but what is more important long term?

As for Harbaugh not liking personalities, I am not really sure where anyone is getting that. I think the only issue he would have is if this person was taking a leadership role that was somehow infringing on his leadership. This is what happened to Billick. Eventually the team took over. The personalities got too cliquey and it served to separate the team rather than unify it.

I can't wait for Thursday. I want to see some of these Ravens that are fighting for roster spots show what they've got. I also want to see Matt Schaub in a non-practice situation. I want to see if bigger is better for Crockett Gilmore and also get a look at Maxx Williams, Buck Allen, Waller, and the new additions to our secondary. I want to actually see Lewis-Moore in some game time and scope out Zadarius Smith, Steven Means, and see what Christo Bilukidi can do to make this roster. The rotation we can put on the front line should be pretty impressive this year.

lets hope def end is not the position that kills us this season.

In a 3-4 an end is not really as crucial as it is in a 4-3. Sure you'd love to have a penetrator that can rush the QB, but since you have an extra backer you use that to "hide" that 4th rusher. What you really need is a guy who can at least hold the line of scrimmage and eat up blockers for your rushers and hopefully he can help set the edge on run plays. I think with the depth we have at the position we'll have people good enough to keep the defense strong. Jernigan being a gasher at DT will help out a lot and you have to remember we've got a pair of pretty good edge rushers in Suggs and Dumervil. Don't forget that we've also got Upshaw that we could perhaps slot into that DE role from time to time. He's a bigger OLB, even for a 3-4 backer.

Urban could be back at the beginning of Nov. I'd wait and see how the team injuries go then decide whether to put Urban or Elam on the "return IR".

One of them for sure are going on the IR, if not both. Frees up roster spots to bring in more bodies that you can bring in and play and also don't have to put any pressure on the guys trying to come back too soon. We've got plenty of depth at DL and while I'd like to have Elam in the mix at safety, Will Hill was most likely going to be the starter anyway and we've got some impressive depth. I think Anthony Levine will surprise some people in an expanded role.

With only four days to the Ravens first preseason game, the clock is counting down, but the Ravens will be ready to set the tone for the season. The coaching staff will focus particularly on the Dbs and O-line. Ravens will not be doing anything fancy on either side of the line of scrimmage, but that will not preclude outstanding straight-up, smart power football. Make no mistake about it, roster positions are on the table. Expect the Raven's fever to spread as they continue to tune-up for the regular season. The Ravens' SB mission message is clear: Focused execution every play, every day! Get the football, Keep the football.

As I stated in a post in another thread I think the starters are all figured out. The only thing on the line "starting" job on the line right now is kick and punt returner. Everything else is depth charts and roster spots. The pre season isn't really going to showcase anything new in the playbook, but what you will be looking for are guys simply executing the plays that are called. It is one thing to perform in camp and in controlled conditions. It is another thing to go up against live competition. Anybody else gonna watch the Hall of Fame game tonight? Sure it isn't the Ravens, but it will be one of our division rivals. Be interesting to see how that Steelers defense does now without some of the icons on it. People thought the Ravens defense would collapse without Reed and Lewis. Let's see how the Steelers recover without Kiesel and Polomalu.

Crockett Gilmore is going to come on like gangbusters. He has done a good job of lowering expectations for himself and the Ravens have done a nice job of flying him under the radar, but he was drafted in the third round. To put that into perspective Ed Dickson was drafted in the third round and Dennis Pitta was drafted in the fourth..in the same year mind you. If all they thought of him was that is was a big bodied blocking TE, they could have waited until the later rounds or sniffed around the UDFA list to bring in a big body TE. Gilmore is 6'7''...the tallest target Flacco will have. He's got very long arms and big hands. We was listed about 250lbs last season and supposedly is up to about 265-270lbs with added upper body strength. He lettered in Basketball, Wrestling, Track and Field, and Football in high school where he played WR, TE, and DE. He played both DE and TE in college. The guy is a beast. He accepts his role as a blocker and that means you can start him and not worry about him taking a play off because he thinks he's a WR. Now that he's the number 1 guy I can see him and Flacco hooking up quite a bit and I think he'll really shine in the redzone. I am really going to miss Dennis Pitta because he made some outstanding plays for this team. I really feel for him getting hurt like that and give him lots of credit for coming back from this once already. If he can come back again it will be nothing short of amazing but I really want him to do what is best for his long term health. I don't want to see him going down like that again.

They forgot to mention Steven Means who is built more like a 3-4 linebacker at 6'3'' 260lbs, but he's still listed as a DE. He is supposedly a good pass rusher based off what was said of him in camp. I don't think he's an every down player, but I could see him coming in on pass rushing situations and sharing snaps with whomever the main guy is. You'd have to think the Ravens would go with the veteran Canty. Tyson has been around for awhile and so far has only shown a flash. Time for some "Next Man Up." Who is gonna step up and claim that spot? Which ever guy claims that number two spot is in line for some pretty significant playing time. It would be nice to see Lewis-Moore stay healthy and display some of that talent we've been hearing about for the last few seasons.

@EdTheMythicalOne Thank You for your reply :-) After I reading your reply I agree with you. Teams could just audible the run and make it a passing play. However they shouldn't dare throwing it short if those two play but teams throwing the ball deep will be a concerning. But Will Hill coverage is decent so it's not really a bad idea around the Ravens territory or teams goal line situations because they don't have to worry about beaten deep.

You are welcome for the reply. I like the thought behind your idea because it would make gaining yards on short yardage run situations pretty tough. That might be a good goal line defense situation. Hill is better than Poillard in coverage but I don't think you want to exascerbate that with another safety that doesn't cover well. With Elam going down and Brooks being hurt as well, that leaves it up to Anthony Levine and Brynden Trawick. If memory serves, Levine was the one they slotted in to play cornerback for a bit and he actually wasn't too bad all things considered. Trawick's claim to fame so far is running into Jacoby Jones on a kick return and busting Jones' knee. I think they need another body in the mix just in case and I am sure they are looking.

i think the ravens giving him a nice contract to be the back up speaks more then your evaluation of the statistics in my opinion.

 

doubt many teams will rate a QB based on a busted special teams play or 1 quarter of play in a season.

 

think the ravens also first handed experienced how a bad running game can affect a QB since flacco him self threw for like 22 int in a similar situation and i doubt anyone considered it to by all his fault.

 

again put things in perspective and it might not be as bad as people are trying to make it out to be.

Seems like the Raiders made that decision last season. And you seemd to forget that 2013 was a full season for him. The Ravens paid Bulger a nice sum of money to be a back up at the tail end of his career too. That just kinda goes with the territory. If you want a veteran QB to be your back up you have to pay them the going rate.

What perspective do you want me to put them in? The guy totally tanked after playing two games in 2013. You want to blame his offense, but his back up put up better numbers than Schaub did. Then he was the 3rd string QB for one of the worst teams in the game of football. I'm just telling it like it is.

Well, first of all, this is training camp and this doesn't amount to much with ints. because like in the NFL.com article that Aaron Rodgers says that tracking ints from Training Camp is one of the most frivolous plots this time of year. Take, for instance, Aaron Rodgers, the best quarterback in the NFL. The Packers' signal-caller throws contested balls more often in practice to see what kind of play his receivers can make on the ball. It might result in a turnover, but it also provides him valuable information to use on Sundays. Yeah, you don't want a QB making those throws, but lets at least wait for preseason games to see how he does then we will know.

But it is worth noting that the Texans eventually benched him and his replacement produced better in that same offense, the Texans didn't bring Schaub back, and Schaub couldn't even win the 2nd string job for the Raiders. So while camp picks don't mean much, pre season picks won't mean a lot either because he won't be playing against starters and he won't be using real game day offense. Teams dumb down their offensive and defensive schemes in the pre season so they don't give anything away. Pretty much all I am hearing are excuses for the guy. He was a turnover machine in Houston...and with as terrible as Oakland was he couldn't win the starting or back up job. Think about that. All that being said, he's a Raven and if he plays I will be cheering him on and hoping for the best, but I won't be expecting different results from him. Let's just hope for another super healthy season for Flacco and then Matt Schaub won't matter.

Didn't Seattle release their starting DT from last years team??? I think he was a cap casualty after they signed Wilson, and that other guy.....

Yeah, they let Tony McDaniel go and he's known more as a plugger/run stopper guy. Urban was supposed to be an end rusher & ruyn stopper. It is a shame the guy is hurt again for another season. He and Lewis-Moore have been bitten by the injury bug hard. They gave Moore several chances to show what he can do and I am sure Urban will get the same chance next season. Ultimately though, if you can't stay on the field you can't help your team. I hope we don't have to let these guys go because of that and then watch them become good players elsewhere. To answer another poster's question, why are people getting so upset, it is because of the potential these guys are supposed to have and the fact that I don't think anyone like to see any player go down with an injury. I don't care if I dislike the other team and don't really care for the player as a player, but I never want to see anybody go down with an injury.

looking at the scoreboard alone does not tell the whole story,

 

1 of his INT last season came on a FG attempt where the hold got fumbled and he tried make a play.

his 2nd INT came in the 4th quarter where the raiders where down 45-0 and he was put in relieve of carr.

 

neither of those tell a lot about schaub tbh.

also carr is a 2nd round pick who could and should have gone in the 1st ahead of manziel.

its really not a surprise he got the starting job and he had a pretty good season when you consider how bad the raiders are talent wise.

 

2013 was pretty bad year for schaub but if you look further you will see that the biggest cause was the lack of a good running game which is a  staple of a offense run by kubiak.

when the run does not work then PA and such wont work either and the offense is in trouble.

just look at our own 2013 season.

 

Foster had 1 rushing TD in 2013 in 8 games played.

RBs had 6 TDs in 16 games with 1 TD done by a QB.

there where only 2 teams with less rushing TD and we only had 7 rushing TD as well.

 

so yeah 2013 and 2014 dont say much at all.

I wasn't looking at the scoreboard. I was looking at statistics and while situations and all do matter, in the end numbers really don't lie. I think the results speak for themselves. If 2013 wasn't his fault then why did he finally get benched? Why did Houston let him go if he was so good, and why wasn't he starting for the Raiders? As for the ground game in 2013, sure TD production was down, but the team rushed for 1783 yards which was 20th in the league. It isn't like they had the absolute worst rushing attack in the game. So I think 2013 and 2014 say plenty. He wasn't even good enough to start for the Raiders, and wasn't good enough to be their 2nd stringer.

I've seen the posts about how this is a frivilous thing to bring up. Camp INT's don't really matter and it is nothing to be concerned about. If we weren't talking about Matt Schaub though, it might be that way. In 2013 he had his worst season in the NFL. When you look at the numbers he threw 10TD and 14 INT. That doesn't look so bad. The problem becomes how and when he threw those picks. He was eventually benched because he was LOSING his team games. He wasn't able to manage leads. He was turning over the ball repeatedly in crucial situations. Then I decided to look up his game log from 2013.

He won his first two games, oddly enough, these were the only two games of the 10 he played in which he threw more TDs that INTs. In 8 following games he either threw the same amount of TDs as INTs or MORE INTs than TDs. 6 of his 10 TDs came in those first two games. 11 of his 14 INTS came after those two games. So in 8 games he then threw 4TDs and 11INTs. Think about that. Then he went to the Raiders where he couldn't beat out Derek Carr or Matt McGloin. He only attempted 10 passes and threw 2 interceptions.

So yes, you really don't know what to make of him until you see him out on the field. Even then it will be pre season ball with backups and vanilla offenses being run against vanilla defenses. Thing is, he was out on the field the last two seasons and the results kind of tell you the story.

It seems like every time I am reading something about Schaub it is that he's throwing interceptions and pick sixes. He's become known for throwing picks lately and I don't think that it magically cures itself just because he comes to Baltimore. Something's clearly happened to him. Either he just isn't making the same reads anymore, or he's lost a bit more zip on his arm that was already not exactly a Howitzer canon to begin with. If Flacco goes down, we're in trouble.

I guess Matt Schaub read this post. All kidding aside, as I posted before it isn't like this interception thing is just now happening in training camp. He had an absolutely horrible season in his last stint as the Texans starter and was buried on the Raiders depth chart after awhile....The RAIDERS. A caveat though, if any team loses a starting QB the caliber of Joe Flacco, they are usually going to be in deep trouble. Not every day you can replace a franchise QB.

Right now you have Pollard whom is pretty much a known quantity. Rupturing his Achilles tendon; despite how well he's recovered from it, didn't do him any favors. He's also been known to rub teams the wrong way a bit. The demand for him really isn't very high in the market and since we already have younger guys on the roster who could provide the same level of production I think it would be silly to go after him right now. You know roster cuts will be coming throughout the pre-season and I bet you dollars to donuts that Ozzie already has every team's bubble players highlighted that he's interested in and will see if they are cut. There's usually a guy or two Ozzie grabs like this. These younger guys might offer a bit more upside than Pollard. There is also the notion that he should be sharing time with Will Hill and not starting along side him. That would possibly be one of the worst pass coverage tandems in the league. I'm also not really feeling warm and fuzzy with the whole, "Coach and I will have to have a man to man talk first..." Pollard's price might be right, but I don't know if he's the right player.

I was hoping to see him at the top of the chart, even if he's on the PUP.

 They have Elam listed as the third SS even though he's on IR. Like I said, this is a pre-season depth chart that wasn't made by the coaching staff.

Will Hill and Benard Pollard would be awesome. Will Hill FS and Benard Pollard SS on running situations. Will Hill SS and Kendrick Lewis FS on passing situations. What do you guys think?

Hen,

While I like the idea of have two, strong, physical safeties roaming around the secondary there are a couple of issues. Hill is shaky on coverage and Pollard never was good at it. In today's NFL you really can't get away with trying to hide anyone. If an opposing team sees that Hill and Pollard are both in the deep secondary they will check out of a run if that is what they have called and try something deep down the middle or to test those guys in coverage. We need to emlpoy the set up they have. SS is the run support hammer hitter, and the FS is like having a nickel back in the game for over the top help in coverage.